Went to the Latin Mass today

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I participated in a high, traditional Latin Mass today for the first time. I must say, it was probably the most beautiful Liturgical experience of my life.

I love how the choir is singing in chant while the priest continues the prayers, like a kind of burst of prayerful activity, and then the periods of silence. There’s also a very, very large and excruciating Crucifix behind the the altar on the wall, and all of my attention was drawn past the large candlesticks to the image of Christ.

The Mass was being said while a thunderstorm raged outside. We would sit in silence as the priest prayed at the altar and the rain and thunder really seemed to emphazie the power of God.
 
I went to my first today too! It was so awesome. I didn’t follow along very well, but the basic gist of what was being said usually came across. I gave up following my missal almost right away LOL. 😃 Other than that, which I’m sure will get better in time, I totally fell in love with it. I hope that I can get a car so I can go next week and hopefully forever after!
 
I just found some wonderful masses today on the u-tube under
Father Jefferey, all kinds. And he does the homilies. If you haven’t seen them look them up, even though I have been, can’t get enough, and with the you-tube** Father Jeffrey Catholic Mass **- you can forward to the homily.
 
Congratulations to you both! If my experience is not unique, (and I doubt that it is) with each additional time you go to the Latin Mass, the beauty of it all just gets more and more beautiful!
 
A few years ago we went to our first Latin Mass. Someone had to invite us, as it was not on our radar. We were too young to remember when that WAS Mass.

Prior to the last 40 years, yes…that WAS the Mass of the church…our rich history. So even if no one ever invites you, go for a field trip! Celebrate the history of your Church, "participate"in the Mass most of our Saints participated in, by praying along. The prayers in the missals provided make it easy to follow along in english and these prayers are exceptionally beautiful!! It will make you wonder…why weren’t these prayers just translated into English? Something more was going on…

In any event, we too have (to our surprise) fallen head over heals in love with the Mass of Ages. It is reverent,prayerful and peaceful and uniquely Catholic. Embrace Catholic idcentity and give it a try. And while many people are transformed after praying it once, it may take a couple of times. Let it wash over you.

I thank God for letting me read today about your experiences and I pray that others would be motivated by the hard work of our Pope who is encouraging this Mass in every parish.

Read his words in Spirit Of The Liturgy by Cardinal Ratzinger.

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I am now 53, so I remember the Traditional Rite just before it started to change after the Council, round about 1964. Indeed, I served it, as a boy altar server. I have loyally followed the Novus Ordo, and I believe that the Novus Ordo is a valid form of Mass.
But about 4 years ago, a colleague asked me to learn to say the so-called Tridentine or Traditional Mass, which we celebrate each Saturday in our Monastery (www.prinknashabbey.org) in Gloucester, UK, at 11am just for lay people. (Our monastic community has lots of Latin in its liturgy, but it is the “new” Latin of the new Solesmes antiphoners, not the old forms; and we sing a lot of Gregorian chant.)
I would say that we are very blessed in our present Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI, who, in giving back the traditional rite to the Church as a whole, has been accused of giving in too much to the traditionalists.
I think, however, that he is doing something quite different.
Because he holds the Petrine office, he knows that he must above all else promote the unity of the Church, and reconcile divisions with all his power and strength. In setting the two forms of Mass, the Trad and the Novus Ordo, side by side, he is already symbolically doing just that, making the two one. Of course, there will be much struggle, many tears, many difficulties to overcome, but there will come about a kind of cross-fertilisation - something he alludes to in his letter that goes with the Indult - so that some of the dignity, silence, Latin, and awesome presence of the trad Mass will “rub off” on the New, while the better cursus of biblical readings (even if said in Latin) and the richer collection of Prefaces from the New will enrich the old. And not only these things, but other rapprochements of a more personal kind will take place. We all ought to thank God that we have such an enlightened holy man at the helm of the Church.
Frankly, however, when I look at the state of Mass in many parishes, I wonder whether I would want to become a Catholic, were I not already one. And here, I want to say that this is not an accusation - because sometimes unfortunate things are done and said for the very best of intentions, as an attempt to involve people and be “pastoral”.
For me, now, and even within my own monastic community, one of the key issues is communication. Some would say (and even Pope Benedict has raised this question himself) IF LATIN IS BASICALLY A DEAD LANGUAGE, NO LONGER SPOKEN OR LEARNED BY THE VAST MAJORITY, AND NOT EVEN LEARNED IN OLD EUROPE, CAN WE REASONABLY EXPECT THE LITURGY TO RETURN TO LATIN?
This is a valid question.
There is no easy answer. Certainly, I think our African churches experienced Vatican II and the New Mass as a liberation, and will need to develop their own forms of the Mass, the African Rite, over the next few centuries, probably without Latin.
But there is then the question of SYMBOLISM. What draws us to Latin, and particularly to the Old Mass, is the fact that SOMETHING IS BEING SAID BEYOND IMMEDIATE UNDERSTANDING OR COMMUNICATION. In other words, you are in tune, even if you are not a Latin scholar. (I am, incidentally, so have no problem on that level). In a world which is a barrage of words and symbols, the fact of a SILENT MASS (as it were) is a profound statement about the transcendence of God. That is why it appeals - and perhaps especially to the under 30’s.
But above all, let us seek understanding, especially of those who do not agree with us. In the end, what matters is that we be conformed to Christ, transformed into Christ totally and completely, through the matrix of our Holy Mother the Catholic Church.
 
Latin is good because it’s:
  1. Grammatically simple
  2. ‘Dead’, so there will be no negative, modern slang associated with its words;
  3. Partially intelligible already to English, Spanish, French, Italian and Portuguese speakers i.e. a sizable proportion of the planet’s population;
  4. … Therefore being an excellent unifier when many now call for unity.
If all priests use the Latin Mass, an African priest could pop over to London for the weekend, celebrate a Mass, and then pop back, with no fussing at all for anyone concerned.

I live near a church which has foreign language NO masses. I sometimes catch the tail-end of theirs when I go in for the Latin one. I don’t understand what’s being said. We can’t really worship together. I’d guess it’s also one more thing which isolates them from the majority culture in which they live.
 
Do you understand Latin?

How does the priest give his homily?

Why is Latin so important, Jesus and his apostles apparently spoke Aramaic. Why aren’t the masses in the language Jesus spoke? Why is the language of Rome so important?

How can you learn anything that you can apply in your real life if you can’t understand what is being said?

Is it possible that all this excitement about Latin Masses is because it is again new, exotic, mysterious and so different.

Once the novelty wears off, say in 15 years, won’t people grow terribly bored of going to a Mass they can’t understand and looking at the back of a priest for an hour?
 
Do you understand Latin?
Most who attend this Mass would certainly understand the at least the major prayers. Fluency in Latin is obviously unnecessary.

If you can’t understand some of the Latin, it’s very easy to follow along with the english translation in your missal.
How does the priest give his homily?
It’s in english, of course. The sermon isn’t actually part of the Mass.
Why is Latin so important, Jesus and his apostles apparently spoke Aramaic. Why aren’t the masses in the language Jesus spoke? Why is the language of Rome so important?
Because the See of Rome is the See of Peter and his succesors, and the seat of the Vicar of Christ. Latin is important because it is the language of the Latin rite, and unifies all western Christians in their liturgy. The use of aramaic would be illogical and unsuitable where we already have an established liturgical language with a rich history, but there’s nothing wrong with it in principle.

The use of Latin lends a sense of mystery to the liturgy. By placing a “verbal veil” over the prayers of the Mass, it emphasizes the separateness and holiness of the Sacrifice. The prayers are elevated by the Latin since it is not a common or vulgar language.
How can you learn anything that you can apply in your real life if you can’t understand what is being said?
It shouldn’t take long to pick up the prayers of the Mass in Latin, but for anything that’s not understood, you can simply follow the english translation in the missal.
Is it possible that all this excitement about Latin Masses is because it is again new, exotic, mysterious and so different.

Once the novelty wears off, say in 15 years, won’t people grow terribly bored of going to a Mass they can’t understand and looking at the back of a priest for an hour?
The Traditional Latin Mass is the farthest thing from a novelty. It’s been tried and tested; it stood as the liturgy of the Church for over a thousand years, so I don’t think there’s any likelihood of it “wearing off” after fifteen.

Your last sentence is very troubling. You seem to be under the impression that the Mass is for your entertainment. This is completely wrong. The Mass is for the honor and glory of God. It is the Holy Sacrifice of Christ, offered up for the remission of sins. If you go there expecting to sit and be entertained, of course you’ll be bored. If you go there to pray and offer the Sacrifice, you’ll be satisfied.
 
You don’t mess with a sacred rite. Even black magicians know they fiddle with their rituals at their peril.

In our case, because our God is benevolent, we seek to please him. It is for our benefit that we seek to perfect a form of ritual that brings us nearer him. Only those who have a true revelation from our Founder, Jesus, should suggest alterations to sacred text or ritual.

You have to wonder if those who favour NO masses actually examine the effect of that ritual upon themselves, and consider how the performance might look to a God of Justice as well as Mercy; a most puissant Being who has gone to extreme lengths to make his Will known to us.

Parishioners doing readings, lay ministers of communion, the priest facing the congregation are all distracting: 'Look at her, look at him, isn’t he/she old/fat/pretty etc …"

Having laity in the Sanctuary will affect its holiness. And who knows where the hands of those lay minsters of communion were before they came to Mass? Also, it’s too easy of occultists to palm hosts if Communion is received in the hand.

The Latin Mass is like a ‘triangle of power’, with the priest at the apex, all focussed on the host. I have noticed that the priest tries not to touch anything profane with his hands; his attendents do it for him.

All I know personally is, when the Latin Mass is over, I feel sad, like, “Oh well, back to normality”. I get a ‘high’ from it.

Never felt that way after an NO mass, as far as I can recall. Often, I felt tired. Except when I came back to the Church, for some initial Masses, I think. I was happy after those.

The phrase ‘Buggin’s turn’ comes to mind when I hear people talk about ‘participating more fully’ in the Mass. All you really need to do is turn up, cause no upset, say the few responses if you know them, receive Communion if you are in a state of grace, and that’s it. No performance required. It’s not entertainment.

It predates TV and pop concerts, and is not there specifically to stimulate you. More like you are a privileged witness, in my opinion.

Now that people will in future have a choice over what type they will attend, if will be very interesting to see what thrives, and what does not, after all the huffin’ and a-puffin’.

The great sorrow is that in the forty years of the NO, there may have been many souls lost to Hell who might have been tipped towards goodness by a well sung Latin Mass performed by a righteous priest. I’m sure, I hope, God will have made allowances.
 
You don’t mess with a sacred rite.
“The final version of the Tridentine Mass was codified in 1570 by the Council of Trent, but some of the material in it is nearly 1000 years older.”

The Church has been messing and tweeking with a “sacred” rite for a very long time.

Your initial statement is flawed.
 
Do you understand Latin?

How does the priest give his homily?

Why is Latin so important, Jesus and his apostles apparently spoke Aramaic. Why aren’t the masses in the language Jesus spoke? Why is the language of Rome so important?

How can you learn anything that you can apply in your real life if you can’t understand what is being said?

Is it possible that all this excitement about Latin Masses is because it is again new, exotic, mysterious and so different.

Once the novelty wears off, say in 15 years, won’t people grow terribly bored of going to a Mass they can’t understand and looking at the back of a priest for an hour?
I understand Latin. The priest typically gives the homily in English, although some have pre-written homilies that they give in Latin (usually with an English translation in the bulletin).

The masses are beautiful and can be very much enjoyed. I share a lot of your sentiments, however, especially thinking back to the most recent TLM I attended. Understanding the Mass and the Latin allowed me to participate easily, but I could help but notice as 3/4 of the congregation stared at the pretty decor (or even turned around to stare at the choir) and had no idea what was going on or what to do and when. :rolleyes:

Of course, IMO, I believe that is an inherent part of the TLM. Hence why many an older person remembers granny with a rosary in the pew.
 
Read my second paragraph. You don’t mess with a sacred rite … unless Divinely inspired to do so.

I’ve read that if an ignorant sorceror meddles with a ritual, he runs the risk of being the plaything of demons. In our case, if the NO, performed with the usual novelties, is only the product of scholars and not of saints, I would guess the ritual probably doesn’t have as many graces attendant.

I’ve read that the Church deals in hundreds of years. The last forty or so therefore may turn out to be a minor wobble. Time is a great winnower. Whatever is not holy will peter out through lack of interest anyway, I dare say.

What I’m going to do is: If I can’t get get easy access to a Latin one, I’ll go the the most solemn NO mass I can find, while still supporting the local clergy.

I’m very lucky in that living in London I am spoilt for choice.
 
I am now 53, so I remember the Traditional Rite just before it started to change after the Council, round about 1964. Indeed, I served it, as a boy altar server. I have loyally followed the Novus Ordo, and I believe that the Novus Ordo is a valid form of Mass.
But about 4 years ago, a colleague asked me to learn to say the so-called Tridentine or Traditional Mass, which we celebrate each Saturday in our Monastery (www.prinknashabbey.org) in Gloucester, UK, at 11am just for lay people. (Our monastic community has lots of Latin in its liturgy, but it is the “new” Latin of the new Solesmes antiphoners, not the old forms; and we sing a lot of Gregorian chant.)
I would say that we are very blessed in our present Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI, who, in giving back the traditional rite to the Church as a whole, has been accused of giving in too much to the traditionalists.
I think, however, that he is doing something quite different.
Because he holds the Petrine office, he knows that he must above all else promote the unity of the Church, and reconcile divisions with all his power and strength. In setting the two forms of Mass, the Trad and the Novus Ordo, side by side, he is already symbolically doing just that, making the two one. Of course, there will be much struggle, many tears, many difficulties to overcome, but there will come about a kind of cross-fertilisation - something he alludes to in his letter that goes with the Indult - so that some of the dignity, silence, Latin, and awesome presence of the trad Mass will “rub off” on the New, while the better cursus of biblical readings (even if said in Latin) and the richer collection of Prefaces from the New will enrich the old. And not only these things, but other rapprochements of a more personal kind will take place. We all ought to thank God that we have such an enlightened holy man at the helm of the Church.
Frankly, however, when I look at the state of Mass in many parishes, I wonder whether I would want to become a Catholic, were I not already one. And here, I want to say that this is not an accusation - because sometimes unfortunate things are done and said for the very best of intentions, as an attempt to involve people and be “pastoral”.
For me, now, and even within my own monastic community, one of the key issues is communication. Some would say (and even Pope Benedict has raised this question himself) IF LATIN IS BASICALLY A DEAD LANGUAGE, NO LONGER SPOKEN OR LEARNED BY THE VAST MAJORITY, AND NOT EVEN LEARNED IN OLD EUROPE, CAN WE REASONABLY EXPECT THE LITURGY TO RETURN TO LATIN?
This is a valid question.
There is no easy answer. Certainly, I think our African churches experienced Vatican II and the New Mass as a liberation, and will need to develop their own forms of the Mass, the African Rite, over the next few centuries, probably without Latin.
But there is then the question of SYMBOLISM. What draws us to Latin, and particularly to the Old Mass, is the fact that SOMETHING IS BEING SAID BEYOND IMMEDIATE UNDERSTANDING OR COMMUNICATION. In other words, you are in tune, even if you are not a Latin scholar. (I am, incidentally, so have no problem on that level). In a world which is a barrage of words and symbols, the fact of a SILENT MASS (as it were) is a profound statement about the transcendence of God. That is why it appeals - and perhaps especially to the under 30’s.
But above all, let us seek understanding, especially of those who do not agree with us. In the end, what matters is that we be conformed to Christ, transformed into Christ totally and completely, through the matrix of our Holy Mother the Catholic Church.
Bless you father. Thanks for your post & link to your Abby.
 
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