We're Adam and Eve vegetarians?

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Okay, so if Adam and Eve did not exist…how would you suggest our first ancestors ate?
According to the Catholic Church, we descended from two sole human ancestors, biblically known as Adam and Eve. There is no possible if. How and what our first ancestors ate is unimportant. It just happens to be a fun topic for creative minds.
 
I write Adam and Eve did not really exist and from this you conclude I am an atheist: brilliant!
Tiny correction. Lots of Christians do not believe that Adam and Eve existed. So there is a 50-50 chance that you are Christian.😉
 
According to the Catholic Church, we descended from two sole human ancestors, biblically known as Adam and Eve. There is no possible if. How and what our first ancestors ate is unimportant. It just happens to be a fun topic for creative minds.
 
Catholics can believe in evolution. Somewhat surprised you didn’t know this.
 
Tiny correction. Lots of Christians do not believe that Adam and Eve existed. So there is a 50-50 chance that you are Christian.😉
grannymh, given the header for psregor’s post profile

psregor
New Member Join Date: September 25, 2007
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Religion: **athiest **

I’d say is a 100% chance that psregor is, as self-described, an athiest. Just as we all had self-describe our faith in our profiles.

Again, here is yet another example of dissembling, merely for the sake of continuing the argument, without adding any valid point, or accepting any valid answers.

psregor, read all the post. Please honeslty answer who seems more “full of wind and self-rightousness?” You are free to name names, mine among them, and of course your own, whether the athiests or believers.

Do you really feel that you can add nothing beyond gumming up the works?

You know you are free to create other threat’s if the questions posed it this one do truly concern you.

In sincerity, you have some really good topics, and the would make for interesting apologetics, or at the least good thought exersises:
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  • “Has it occurred to any of you that the story of Adam and Eve is a myth?..In this context I meant myth as simply ‘non-factual’”
  • “How did Alice survive her long fall down the rabbit hole?” (Although I’m certain this one would have to be in another group)
  • Do you “honestly believe in the walking talking snake, etc.?”
  • “What primitive man ate?”
  • Why so many believers in the actual existence of Adam and Eve “are so full of wind and self-rightousness?”
  • “How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?”
  • Why did God choose “to rewrite the Babylonian creation myth for the (at least) two authors of Genesis?”
  • “Why discuss the eating habits of two people who never existed?”
  • “the story of creation in the bible (of which there are two versions) is clearly not factual…” etc.
  • And “a lot more serious questions one could ask about Genesis from a literary analysis standpoint.”
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I am sure there are many who are eager to answer, as am I.
 
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In keeping with post 50, at least I will try. While I may not give an exact answer to the vegetarian question, in my personal opinion, the material requirements of the human anatomy need to be considered in relationship to the whole of human nature. Adam and Eve, though dependent on their diets, are far more than the “you are what you eat” idea.

There are two principles often referred to as “worlds” or “domains” which contribute to Adam and Eve’s existence. Adam’s nature is an unique unification of both the material world and the spiritual world. So, yes, it was very important that Adam eat correctly so that his body would be nourished. And it was also important that Adam spend time in a strong friendship relationship with God so that his spiritual life would grow in God’s loving presence.

My apology. I see that I was a tad frivolous in post 51.

When looking at the whole picture of human nature in the 21st century, what we eat is important just as it was for our first parents Adam and Eve. This is because through natural science we have learned what is good for our particular anatomy and, fortunately, through medical science we have learned how to heal our body.

With the emphasis on new and improved technology in our century, there is the tendency to take our spiritual nature for granted. Catholicism, when it comes to the physical/material world surrounding us, does not take our spiritual soul or our body for granted. The spiritual and material need to be kept in balance as a single nature.

Natural science, a gift from God, needs to be practiced properly in order to seek the truth of our created material/physical universe. The proper domain of natural science is the material world. Without going into individual banned topics, the overall study of living organisms normally belongs in the material world.

But, and this is an important but, Adam’s nature is both rational spiritual soul *and *material body. The domain of the spiritual soul directly created by God is beyond the domain of natural science and thus it is supernatural.

When the Catholic Church looks at Adam and his descendents, it deeply understands the eternal importance of the spiritual. Under the guidance of the Holy Spirit (Chapter 14, Gospel of John) the Catholic Church has defined basic doctrines concerning the origin of humankind and the existence of Adam who committed the real original sin. These particular doctrines have the purpose of leading us to happiness forever with our Creator.

Here is where common sense is useful. When natural science research is involved with rocks, weather, plants, insects, and the thousands of different animals, birds, and fish, all of which belong in the material domain, all kinds of theories can be explored. The decomposing material anatomy of humans can be included in the material domain. The key is that interpreters of [material/physical] research cannot make declarations outside the natural science domain.

Because of its spiritual principle, human nature is correctly considered outside the domain of science even though its anatomy benefits from scientific and medical research. It is our supernatural spiritual soul which enables us to be in a real relationship with our supernatural God.

In everyday terminology, natural science can only go so far in its study of humans. Normally, the scientific material/physical domain, with its various theories about the physical/material aspects of creation, is not a problem for Catholicism. It is when some interpreters of science research deny individual Catholic doctrines, that the Catholic Church steps in. Now, there is a dramatic intersection of both the material and spiritual domains. At the point of intersection, Divine Revelation trumps.

Please note:

The basic principle of natural science is that the evidence has to warrant the conclusion. A scientific conclusion is limited to the results obtained from the “methods and materials” within the specific research paper. In actual research, it is possible to include assumptions and estimates when hard data is not available.

What some interpreters of research have done is to extrapolate or extend a particular valid conclusion beyond the inherent limitations of its evidence.

In the case of two, sole parents of the human species, some interpreters will assume an universal exclusion which cannot be substantiated by the evidence in the individual research project. Interpreters might say such and such is probable, but that cannot rule out the possibility of the biblical Adam and Eve. Vegetarian or not. 😉
 
I don’t think that Adam and Eve ever existed, no evidences for them, a lot of scientific, logical evidences and ethical arguments to dismiss them, but there are studies done that show that our ancestors were vegetarians.

blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2012/07/23/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/

news.yahoo.com/human-ancestors-were-nearly-vegetarians-110000620.html

huffingtonpost.com/kathy-freston/shattering-the-meat-myth_b_214390.html
I am sure that a lot of people dismiss two sole founders of the human species. I just read an interesting science/faith website that dismisses them.

From the Catholic point of view, it is the conclusion which flows from evidence which is crucial. How does one interpret natural science conclusions in the 21st century? Does the actual evidence warrant the research paper’s conclusion? Can the evidence support an universal conclusion?

Yes, there are mountains of evidence about all kinds of fossils which keep the debates going in anthropology discussions. What one needs to understand is that when it comes to a denial of a basic Catholic doctrine, one does not stop with a box full of vegetarian’s teeth. One checks the conclusion for its relationship to the evidence.

Those who believe that humankind is peerless in the created material/spiritual world also know that natural science can only go so far in its study of the origin of human nature. Thus, assumptions and estimates can be used. Normally, a specific, indiviudal conclusion about events going millions of years backwards is reasonable given the evidence presented and the methods used.

What cannot be considered reasonable is to extrapolate a specific conclusion to an unwarranted universal exclusion of the possible existence of Adam and Eve.

Whether Adam and Eve were vegetarians is a viable discussion, but it is minor when one considers that it is the spiritual, rational, intellective soul which makes those lovable first parents peerless.
 
I am sure that a lot of people dismiss two sole founders of the human species. I just read an interesting science/faith website that dismisses them.

From the Catholic point of view, it is the conclusion which flows from evidence which is crucial. How does one interpret natural science conclusions in the 21st century? Does the actual evidence warrant the research paper’s conclusion? Can the evidence support an universal conclusion?

Yes, there are mountains of evidence about all kinds of fossils which keep the debates going in anthropology discussions. What one needs to understand is that when it comes to a denial of a basic Catholic doctrine, one does not stop with a box full of vegetarian’s teeth. One checks the conclusion for its relationship to the evidence.

Those who believe that humankind is peerless in the created material/spiritual world also know that natural science can only go so far in its study of the origin of human nature. Thus, assumptions and estimates can be used. Normally, a specific, indiviudal conclusion about events going millions of years backwards is reasonable given the evidence presented and the methods used.

What cannot be considered reasonable is to extrapolate a specific conclusion to an unwarranted universal exclusion of the possible existence of Adam and Eve.

Whether Adam and Eve were vegetarians is a viable discussion, but it is minor when one considers that it is the spiritual, rational, intellective soul which makes those lovable first parents peerless.
So, in Lyman’s terms are you saying; though you do not believe Adam and Eve existed, you cannot believe that Adam and Eve did not exist because there is no scientific evidence to disprove it?
 
So, in Lyman’s terms are you saying; though you do not believe Adam and Eve existed, you cannot believe that Adam and Eve did not exist because there is no scientific evidence to disprove it?
Frist one needs to understand the difference between impossible (incapable of existence) and improbable (unlikely to exist).

I am saying that natural science, by definition, is restricted to anatomical evidence. Because human nature is an unique unification of the rational, intellective spiritual soul and the material/physical decomposing anatomy, natural science can only present conclusions on a part of human nature; therefore, one can only infer that Adam’s existence is improbable. But, when one considers the whole of human nature, one cannot say that Adam’s existence is impossible.

This is different from saying that there is no scientific evidence to disprove Adam’s existence.
 
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So, in Lyman’s terms are you saying; though you do not believe Adam and Eve existed, you cannot believe that Adam and Eve did not exist because there is no scientific evidence to disprove it?
Frist one needs to understand the difference between impossible (incapable of existence) and improbable (unlikely to exist).

I am saying that natural science, by definition, is restricted to anatomical evidence. Because human nature is an unique unification of the rational, intellective spiritual soul and the material/physical decomposing anatomy, natural science can only present conclusions on a part of human nature; therefore, one can only infer that Adam’s existence is improbable. But, when one considers the whole of human nature, one cannot say that Adam’s existence is impossible.

This is different from saying that there is no scientific evidence to disprove Adam’s existence.
Here is my way to answer your original question.

I know that Adam and Eve truly existed as the two, sole founders of humankind period. I cannot say with the same certainty that Adam and Eve were or were not vegetarians.

My knowledge of the real existence of Adam is based on Divine Revelation as proclaimed by the Catholic Church. From my study of the truths of Catholicism, there is no doubt. Scripture affirms Adam’s reality in
Genesis 1: 26-28, Genesis 2: 7-18, and Romans 5:12-21. Explanatory Catholic doctrines have been duly defined under the wisdom and guidance of the Holy Spirit. (Source: Chapter 14, the Gospel of John)

In addition, eternal life for each person is found in the spiritual domain of God and not in the material domain of natural science. In that sense, Catholicism has the definitive word regarding human origin.

In real life, there will always be people who disagree with the spiritual domain. Substantiating the opposition to the real Adam is the responsibility of the challenger. Nonetheless, one needs to keep in mind the difference between the Creator and His created material/physical universe. Non-theists eliminate the Creator/creature difference by eliminating God.

Therefore, knowing the reality of Adam depends on accepting the existence of God.
 
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