We're All Going to Be Electronically ID'd

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The U.S. House of Representatives approved on Thursday a sweeping set of rules aimed at forcing states to issue all adults federally approved electronic ID cards, including driver’s licenses.

Under the rules, federal employees would reject licenses or identity cards that don’t comply, which could curb Americans’ access to airplanes, trains, national parks, federal courthouses and other areas controlled by the federal government. The bill was approved by a 261-161 vote.

The measure, called the Real ID Act, says that driver’s licenses and other ID cards must include a digital photograph, anticounterfeiting features and undefined “machine-readable technology, with defined minimum data elements” that could include a magnetic strip or RFID tag. The Department of Homeland Security would be charged with drafting the details of the regulation.

Republican politicians argued that the new rules were necessary to thwart terrorists, saying that four of the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers possessed valid state-issued driver’s licenses. “When I get on an airplane and someone shows ID, I’d like to be sure they are who they say they are,” said Rep. Tom Davis, a Virginia Republican, during a floor debate that started Wednesday.

States would be required to demand proof of the person’s Social Security number and confirm that number with the Social Security Administration. They would also have to scan in documents showing the person’s date of birth and immigration status, and create a massive store “so that the (scanned) images can be retained in electronic storage in a transferable format” permanently.

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I don’t like the idea of this at all…Looks like we’re getting one step closer to The Mark.
 
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WhatMeWorry:
I don’t like the idea of this at all…Looks like we’re getting one step closer to The Mark.
Mark who?
 
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WhatMeWorry:
I don’t like the idea of this at all…Looks like we’re getting one step closer to The Mark.
I like this idea.

Now, if only we could mandate that people show this new ID when they vote and have their fingers dipped in indelible ink…

Cheers.
 
Well, as they say, the devil is in the details.
States would be required to demand proof of the person’s Social Security number and confirm that number with the Social Security Administration. They would also have to scan in documents showing the person’s date of birth and immigration status, and create a massive store “so that the (scanned) images can be retained in electronic storage in a transferable format” permanently.
We don’t even have automated vehicle registration yet because of the huge cost that would be involved. Due to the huge amount of $$$$ this will take, I forsee a long implementation timeline. Don’t go looking for the anit-Christ quite yet. :getholy:
 
Computer chips in our drivers licenses??? The end is here brothers… Repent!

Honestly, how does this hurt anyone? We already have to show our license when we get on a plane, buy a car, buy booze… How is making counterfeiting harder going to hurt you?
 
War is Peace-George Orwell

We wage war to bring about Peace-George Bush

1984 Just keeps getting nearer and nearer under this particular Administration…but hey… Bush “says” he’s a man of God, so its all good…besides…anyone see that Icon of the Blessed Mother on that table during election night? Thats his secret code for “hes one of US”! :rolleyes:
 
College campus’ have been doing this already for years.

We have one picture ID. The only way to get an ID is to register. Registering as a student means you have to show your birth certificate and ss #.

There are card swiping devices all over campus.
this is what it can do.

Gets us into buildings, both classrooms and resident.
Gets us permission to how far we can go into a particular resident hall.
Automatically brings up our food account when we go to the cafeteria.
Money is put on it for book purchases in campus bookstore.
Reguates money for campus snackbar.
Can be used on campus vending machienes.
Is used to make print outs from computer lab computers.
Is used to ID for packages that UPS or FED ex (or non usps delivieries)
In large departments is used as a time card…swipe yourself in and out.
Admittance to plays or sporting events.
Admittance to athletic training facilities, gym, studio, weightroom, icerinks…

and its not a new system…its been this way for many, many years. There’s more, I forget them now…
 
Remember when U.S. Passports had your religion as part of your I.D.?

The electronic I.D. was an inevitable improvement in all I.D.'s I believe; 9/11 has just speeded up the process.

This electronic I.D. will hurt a lot of career criminals, yet it wil create a black market for these devices.

If you are falsey convicted by our inept legal system, you will be marked for life by this Electronic Diary.
 
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Meggie:
College campus’ have been doing this already for years.

We have one picture ID. The only way to get an ID is to register. Registering as a student means you have to show your birth certificate and ss #.

There are card swiping devices all over campus.
this is what it can do.

Gets us into buildings, both classrooms and resident.
Gets us permission to how far we can go into a particular resident hall.
Automatically brings up our food account when we go to the cafeteria.
Money is put on it for book purchases in campus bookstore.
Reguates money for campus snackbar.
Can be used on campus vending machienes.
Is used to make print outs from computer lab computers.
Is used to ID for packages that UPS or FED ex (or non usps delivieries)
In large departments is used as a time card…swipe yourself in and out.
Admittance to plays or sporting events.
Admittance to athletic training facilities, gym, studio, weightroom, icerinks…

and its not a new system…its been this way for many, many years. There’s more, I forget them now…
Right. Not only do the kids give up all sorts of privacy, their parents pay tens of thousands of dollars (in tuition) to give up their kids privacy. BUT they also get increased security for their kids and for school property. I don’t hear any protests. Do college students refuse to provide their info or use these cards? Not likely.
 
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Right. Not only do the kids give up all sorts of privacy, their parents pay tens of thousands of dollars (in tuition) to give up their kids privacy. BUT they also get increased security for their kids and for school property. I don’t hear any protests. Do college students refuse to provide their info or use these cards? Not likely.
Thats really sterotypical and generalized thing for you to say.
My parents aren’t paying anything for me to go to school I am doing it all. I am working my way through.

YES we do get incresed security and I happen to like it. There was an incident in my dorm earlier this school year and now a boy is not allowed in any residance hall but his own. Perioid, no excuses.

Of course we don’t refuse to provide the refreance materials. What do we have to hide. You do have a choice, you could use other forms of ID to get into college, but seeing as I don’t have a driver’s lisence (long story) I had to use my SS# and my Birth certificate. I am glad that its that way. We don’t have anyone pretending to be someone they aren’t. Underage drinking can be checked by a secure, campus system insted of having fake id’s.

I don’t care if things are recorded. I’m not doing anything wrong.
 
My first thought when I saw the title of this post was the movie: CODE 46, where the entire world had an electronic I.D., and you were totally controlled as to your use of air, bus, train, or ship travel. Your mandatory electronic I.D. could be remotely expired at the descretion of your boss, thereby effectively limiting your ability to function in society. A real bummer.
 
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Meggie:
I don’t care if things are recorded. I’m not doing anything wrong.
Reading statements like this leads me to believe that “1984” by George Orwell should be required reading.

By the way, these cards are not like swipe cards, the can be read at a distance without you even knowing it. RFID is scary!!
 
If this can’t be derailed, then I think it’s time to consider starting a serious secession movement.
 
do any of you realize that you’re all walking around with de-activated anti-theft sensors in your shoes?

One time my brother baought shoes and the cashier forgot to deactivate the sensor. If he walked into the store the theft devices would go off…and they even triggered the device the library uses…

You all act like its doomsday. Its just a way of life
 
Gee, why don’t they just use a laser to etch a UPC (universal person code) on our femur at birth, and when we are a little bigger implant a radio transmitter?
 
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Meggie:
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Of course we don’t refuse to provide the refreance materials. What do we have to hide. You do have a choice, you could use other forms of ID to get into college, but seeing as I don’t have a driver’s lisence (long story) I had to use my SS# and my Birth certificate. I am glad that its that way. We don’t have anyone pretending to be someone they aren’t. Underage drinking can be checked by a secure, campus system insted of having fake id’s.

I don’t care if things are recorded. I’m not doing anything wrong.
But if what you’re doing is later declared wrong?
Like oh…say…being Catholic?

“Those who give up essential liberties in order to gain temporary safety deserve neither.” I think this was either Thomas Jefferson or Benjamin Franklin. I personally think that we are giving up far too much privacy in the U.S. and that we need to stop it soon or there will be no such thing. All this stuff is irrelevent to catching terrorists. They’ve done okay so far without it…why now? Are we scared enough yet to give them what they seem to want?

The argument, “I don’t care. I’m not doing anything wrong.” is terribly naive.

I saw this on a bumper sticker a few years ago:
“I love my country, but I fear my government.”

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. – William Pitt, speech, Nov. 18, 1783

The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding. – Louis D. Brandeis, ‘Olmstead’ v. ‘the United States’

I am more and more convinced that man is a dangerous creature and that power, whether vested in many or a few, is ever grasping, and like the grave, cries, ``Give, give.’’ – Abigail Adams, letter to John Adams, Nov. 27, 1775

Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views beyond the comprehension of the weak; and that it is doing God’s service, when it is violating all His laws. – John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, quoted by James Reston, ‘The New York Times’, Nov. 21, 1984

Carelessness about our security is dangerous; carelessness about our freedom is also dangerous. – Adlai Stevenson, speech, Oct. 7, 1952

**The public good is in nothing more essentially interested than in the protection of every individual’s private rights. ** – William Blackstone, ‘Commentaries’

We have grasped the mystery of the atom and rejected the Sermon on the Mount. – Gen. Omar Bradley, speech, Armistice Day, 1948

The world has achieved brilliance without conscience. Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants. – Gen. Omar Bradley, speech, Armistice Day, 1948
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Knowledge itself is power.** – Francis Bacon, ‘Of Heresies’

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. – Edmund Burke,

Be careful friends…
Pax vobiscum,

Please note the authors of these quotes…
 
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