Were does morality come from?

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Does God have a list of Moral absolutes, and could he follow them without having to resort to special pleadings that he doesn’t need to?
Your interpretation of God is very anthropomorphic, what with lists and special pleadings…
Is what you believe about God at all evident?
Do you have a superior explanation of personal existence, free will, the immense value of life, love and the principles of liberty, equality and fraternity? If so let’s have it… 🙂
 
“Another way to think of it: if you owned an object and then smashed it, what recourse would anyone have against you? In the same way, we are all God’s creatures, created and owned by Him. When it’s our time to go and we die, even if God “killed” us, we were His property anyway, so no one has any claim against Him.”
This defense is absolutely inconsistant with claims of being the Moral absolute.

If I bought the last and only work left in the world of Michealangelo just to destroy it, no one would have recourse against me, but that wouldn’t make it moral at all.
Irrefutable! 🙂
 
Your interpretation of God is very anthropomorphic, what with lists and special pleadings…

Do you have a superior explanation of personal existence, free will, the immense value of life, love and the principles of liberty, equality and fraternity? If so let’s have it… 🙂
I don’t have an interpretation of God. Your religion does that for us. It tells us all about what God is and is not through the bible and it’s interpretation of it.

So, if it sounds anthropomorphic- that could be because it sounds that way to me also when I read what is said about your God in the bible and from the eyes of your church.

Re: explanations

Is the topic of absolute Morality bothering you, causing you to change the topic of the OP and go into a host of other topics?
 
I’m not sure what you mean…
You and me both friend. Today is a particularly good example of my messing up an otherwise lovely day one step at a time. We all have these kind of times, I am sure. I just happen to be having more than usual lately. Here’s an example. I get a call from a lady I used to go to Mass with. She’s bawling on the phone, asking me to call the parish and get to “the bottom of this” problem she encountered at the rectory office today. Apparently she went to have a mass said for her mother on Mother’s Day, was ready with her ten dollars and requested the last mass time. They refused her. Yep. They said they are no longer doing this anymore for mother’s Day. Wanna know if I thought that was “Love”? I thought it stunk, that’s what. I got all worked up over how upset that made this nice old lady I wanted to punch someone.
 
I don’t have an interpretation of God. Your religion does that for us. It tells us all about what God is and is not through the bible and its interpretation of it.
If you don’t have any interpretation of God on what do you base your criticism?
So, if it sounds anthropomorphic- that could be because it sounds that way to me also when I read what is said about your God in the bible and from the eyes of your church.
The way it sounds to you is obviously just your opinion…
Is the topic of absolute Morality bothering you, causing you to change the topic of the OP and go into a host of other topics?
Why should I be bothered? God is not relative but absolute!

The origin of personal existence, free will, the immense value of life, love and the principles of liberty, equality and fraternity originated is **directly related to the topic **because they are all related to morality. To explain where they come from is to explain where morality comes from…
 
If you don’t have any interpretation of God on what do you base your criticism?

The way it sounds to you is obviously just your opinion…

Why should I be bothered? God is not relative but absolute!

The origin of personal existence, free will, the immense value of life, love and the principles of liberty, equality and fraternity originated is **directly related to the topic **because they are all related to morality. To explain where they come from is to explain where morality comes from…
Let’s get back to my question about absolute morality. Does God possess it?

How can we check? Let’s go over the Catholic Moral list, and check each point off one by one as it relates to God.
 
Let’s get back to my question about absolute morality.
How is that related to the OP? You have completely ignored the points I have made and evaded my questions:
  1. If you don’t have any interpretation of God on what do you base your criticism? Where do you think morality comes from?
  2. How do you explain the origin of personal existence, free will, the immense value of life, love and the principles of liberty, equality and fraternity?
 
How is that related to the OP? You have completely ignored the points I have made and evaded my questions:
  1. If you don’t have any interpretation of God on what do you base your criticism? Where do you think morality comes from?
  2. How do you explain the origin of personal existence, free will, the immense value of life, love and the principles of liberty, equality and fraternity?
The OP is “Where does morality come from??”

We are told it comes from God, a God that has absolute morality.

I am asking you to tell me what these Moral absolutes are. I am asking if God can meet them without a special pleading on his behalf for times he clearly does not.
 
One of my friends was in her ethics philosophy class yesterday and said that her teacher was talking about how there is a moral code that is “above” God and that God Himself follows. Then the teacher said that this is what the Catholic Church teaches…can anyone explain this philosophy to me and what does the Church actually teach about were morality comes from?? thanks for any help 🙂
I can’t imagine what this teacher is talking about. The catholic church does not believe the Christian God is under any laws, natural ones especially. Either the teacher is having a joke at the student’s expense, or the student misunderstood the point that was being made.
 
How is that related to the OP? You have completely ignored the points I have made and evaded my questions:
  1. If you don’t have any interpretation of God on what do you base your criticism? Where do you think morality comes from?
  2. How do you explain the origin of personal existence, free will, the immense value of life, love and the principles of liberty, equality and fraternity?
The OP is “Where does morality come from??”
We are told it comes from God, a God that has absolute morality.
What exactly do you mean by “a God that has absolute morality”? That is not a Christian doctrine…
I am asking you to tell me what these Moral absolutes are.
I don’t understand what you mean by “Moral absolutes”. Do you mean moral values to which there are no exceptions? Or moral values which are objective, eternal and immutable?
I am asking if God can meet them without a special pleading on his behalf for times he clearly does not.
Please specify which “Moral absolutes” God does not meet and why He does not meet them…
 
What exactly do you mean by “a God that has absolute morality”? That is not a Christian doctrine…

I don’t understand what you mean by “Moral absolutes”. Do you mean moral values to which there are no exceptions? Or moral values which are objective, eternal and immutable?

Please specify which “Moral absolutes” God does not meet and why He does not meet them…
You don’t believe God has/is the Moral absolute(s)?
 
I can’t imagine what this teacher is talking about. The catholic church does not believe the Christian God is under any laws, natural ones especially. Either the teacher is having a joke at the student’s expense, or the student misunderstood the point that was being made.
You don’t think the teacher could just be confused? You give teachers too much credit. It’s probably something to do with God’s will being ‘under’ the immutable law provided by God’s intellect, as I mentioned before. From a human perspective that tends to look like a constraint on God’s will. That’s my guess.
 
You don’t think the teacher could just be confused? You give teachers too much credit. It’s probably something to do with God’s will being ‘under’ the immutable law provided by God’s intellect, as I mentioned before. From a human perspective that tends to look like a constraint on God’s will. That’s my guess.
🙂

Okay, you got me there. 😉
 
What exactly do you mean by “a God that has absolute morality”? That is not a Christian doctrine…
I believe God is the Source of everything that exists.

Please explain what you mean by “Moral absolute(s)”.

Where do you think morality comes from?

To what do you attribute the origin of personal existence, free will, the immense value of life, love and the principles of liberty, equality and fraternity?
 
The OP is “Where does morality come from??”

We are told it comes from God, a God that has absolute morality.

I am asking you to tell me what these Moral absolutes are. I am asking if God can meet them without a special pleading on his behalf for times he clearly does not.
Do you believe that morality exists and, if it does, is it any more than whatever each individual thinks it is? If you don’t believe it exists then there isn’t much sense in looking for it.

Ender
 
Do you believe that morality exists and, if it does, is it any more than whatever each individual thinks it is? If you don’t believe it exists then there isn’t much sense in looking for it.

Ender
Still waiting for the full list of morality so I can compare notes with the list and God’s actions. Remember- no special pleadings for God.
 
I believe God is the Source of everything that exists.

Please explain what you mean by “Moral absolute(s)”.

Where do you think morality comes from?

To what do you attribute the origin of personal existence, free will, the immense value of life, love and the principles of liberty, equality and fraternity?
There are no moral absolutes? And God does not possess it?
 
Still waiting for the full list of morality so I can compare notes with the list and God’s actions. Remember- no special pleadings for God.
I didn’t mention God in my post; I simply asked you a question. I asked whether you believed that morality even exists or if it is nothing more than what each individual believes it to be. This is pretty much a yes or no question: does morality exist?

Ender
 
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