Were Filiation and Spiration Necessary Acts?

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Were Filiation and Spiration Necessary Acts?

I am using a scholastic terminology here. Did God the Father choose to generate the Son (one of the two questions) or did He have no choice? If He had no choice, why? If He had a choice, why did He filiate and spirate?
 
I think they were necessary acts. God is love in his very nature, I can’t even see a possibility where the father doesn’t generate and spirate the Son and Spirit respectively. If God is love then there must be the Lover, Beloved and the love of both.
They are necessary acts.
 
Were Filiation and Spiration Necessary Acts?

I am using a scholastic terminology here. Did God the Father choose to generate the Son (one of the two questions) or did He have no choice? If He had no choice, why? If He had a choice, why did He filiate and spirate?
The Mystery of this is complicated by the truth that God is not existent in or limited by time and space as we created beings. He is infinitely Himself in all his perfections.The Son and Holy Spirit are equally God and co-eternal as the Holy Trinity, so that there was never a time when they didn’t exist.

This mystery is hard or impossible for us humans to fully understand fully as we are limited by both intellect and the vocabulary that would be necessary to explain how this can be. As theologian Frank Sheed said; mysteries are things that we can’t know everything about, but they are not things that we can know nothing about.
 
Neither term appears in the Catholic Dictionary. If known, who initiated the use of these terms and what is their precise definition?
 
As I understand it, filiation arises from the perfection of the intellect of God and results from God’s self-knowledge. To say that filiation was not a necessary act would imply a defect in the intellect of God, that God does not necessarily know who/what he himself is, which is absurd. Similarly, spiration arises from the perfection of the will of God and results from God’s self-love. To say that spiration was not a necessary act would imply a defect in the will of God, that God does not necessarily love himself, which is absurd.
 
As I understand it, filiation arises from the perfection of the intellect of God and results from God’s self-knowledge. To say that filiation was not a necessary act would imply a defect in the intellect of God, that God does not necessarily know who/what he himself is, which is absurd. Similarly, spiration arises from the perfection of the will of God and results from God’s self-love. To say that spiration was not a necessary act would imply a defect in the will of God, that God does not necessarily love himself, which is absurd.
To refer to either term as an ‘act’ would tend to imply that a condition (or state) existed before the act, or exclusive or external to it?
 
Aquinas says:

Article 2. Whether the notional acts are voluntary?

Objection 1.
It would seem that the notional acts are voluntary. For Hilary says (De Synod.): “Not by natural necessity was the Father led to beget the Son.”

Objection 2. Further, the Apostle says, “He transferred us to the kingdom of the Son of His love” (Colossians 1:13). But love belongs to the will. Therefore the Son was begotten of the Father by will.

Objection 3. Further, nothing is more voluntary than love. But the Holy Ghost proceeds as Love from the Father and the Son. Therefore He proceeds voluntarily.

Objection 4. Further, the Son proceeds by mode of the intellect, as the Word. But every word proceeds by the will from a speaker. Therefore the Son proceeds from the Father by will, and not by nature.

Objection 5. Further, what is not voluntary is necessary. Therefore if the Father begot the Son, not by the will, it seems to follow that He begot Him by necessity; and this is against what Augustine says (Ad Orosium qu. vii).

On the contrary, Augustine says, in the same book, that, “the Father begot the Son neither by will, nor by necessity.”

I answer that, When anything is said to be, or to be made by the will, this can be understood in two senses. In one sense, the ablative designates only concomitance, as I can say that I am a man by my will–that is, I will to be a man; and in this way it can be said that the Father begot the Son by will; as also He is God by will, because He wills to be God, and wills to beget the Son. In the other sense, the ablative imports the habitude of a principle as it is said that the workman works by his will, as the will is the principle of his work; and thus in that sense it must be said the God the Father begot the Son, not by His will; but that He produced the creature by His will. Whence in the book De Synod, it is said: “If anyone say that the Son was made by the Will of God, as a creature is said to be made, let him be anathema.” The reason of this is that will and nature differ in their manner of causation, in such a way that nature is determined to one, while the will is not determined to one; and this because the effect is assimilated to the form of the agent, whereby the latter acts. Now it is manifest that of one thing there is only one natural form whereby it exists; and hence such as it is itself, such also is its work. But the form whereby the will acts is not only one, but many, according to the number of ideas understood. Hence the quality of the will’s action does not depend on the quality of the agent, but on the agent’s will and understanding. So the will is the principle of those things which may be this way or that way; whereas of those things which can be only in one way, the principle is nature. What, however, can exist in different ways is far from the divine nature, whereas it belongs to the nature of a created being; because God is of Himself necessary being, whereas a creature is made from nothing. Thus, the Arians, wishing to prove the Son to be a creature, said that the Father begot the Son by will, taking will in the sense of principle. But we, on the contrary, must assert that the Father begot the Son, not by will, but by nature. Wherefore Hilary says (De Synod.): “The will of God gave to all creatures their substance: but perfect birth gave the Son a nature derived from a substance impassible and unborn. All things created are such as God willed them to be; but the Son, born of God, subsists in the perfect likeness of God.”

Reply to Objection 1. This saying is directed against those who did not admit even the concomitance of the Father’s will in the generation of the Son, for they said that the Father begot the Son in such a manner by nature that the will to beget was wanting; just as we ourselves suffer many things against our will from natural necessity–as, for instance, death, old age, and like ills. This appears from what precedes and from what follows as regards the words quoted, for thus we read: “Not against His will, nor as it were, forced, nor as if He were led by natural necessity did the Father beget the Son.”

Reply to Objection 2. The Apostle calls Christ the Son of the love of God, inasmuch as He is superabundantly loved by God; not, however, as if love were the principle of the Son’s generation.

Reply to Objection 3. The will, as a natural faculty, wills something naturally, as man’s will naturally tends to happiness; and likewise God naturally wills and loves Himself; whereas in regard to things other than Himself, the will of God is in a way, undetermined in itself, as above explained (I:19:3. Now, the Holy Ghost proceeds as Love, inasmuch as God loves Himself, and hence He proceeds naturally, although He proceeds by mode of will.

Reply to Objection 4. Even as regards the intellectual conceptions of the mind, a return is made to those first principles which are naturally understood. But God naturally understands Himself, and thus the conception of the divine Word is natural.

Reply to Objection 5. A thing is said to be necessary “of itself,” and “by reason of another.” Taken in the latter sense, it has a twofold meaning: firstly, as an efficient and compelling cause, and thus necessary means what is violent; secondly, it means a final cause, when a thing is said to be necessary as the means to an end, so far as without it the end could not be attained, or, at least, so well attained. In neither of these ways is the divine generation necessary; because God is not the means to an end, nor is He subject to compulsion. But a thing is said to be necessary “of itself” which cannot but be: in this sense it is necessary for God to be; and in the same sense it is necessary that the Father beget the Son.

newadvent.org/summa/1041.htm#article2
 
Neither term appears in the Catholic Dictionary. If known, who initiated the use of these terms and what is their precise definition?
They are out of Berkhof’s Systematic Theology. Perhaps they are the same as “generation” and “procession” in Catholic terminology. I don’t have time to copy the definitions out now; we have a hard copy of that tome, and it has little bitty print and big long words and sentences, and I have tired eyes and fat fingers and what I would come up with now might be bizarre copying. So I will go with “generation” and “procession” if you would prefer. I had thought they were Catholic scholastic terms; perhaps they are Reformed scholastic equivalents. My apologies on the terms.
 
Were Filiation and Spiration Necessary Acts?

I am using a scholastic terminology here. Did God the Father choose to generate the Son (one of the two questions) or did He have no choice? If He had no choice, why? If He had a choice, why did He filiate and spirate?
The ontological procession is not in time so there was not a decision to generate ontologically. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are simply one nature with one divine will and inseparable.

Modern Catholic Dictionary, Perichoresis (Circumincession)

The penetration and indwelling of the three divine persons reciprocally in one another.
  • In the Greek conception of the Trinity there is an emphasis on the mutual penetration of the three persons, thus bringing out the unity of the divine essence.* In the Latin idea called circumincession the stress is more on the internal processions of the three divine persons.
    In both traditions, however, the fundamental basis of the Trinitarian perichoresis is the one essence of the three persons in God.
The term is also applied to the close union of the two natures in Christ. Although the power that unites the two natures proceeds exclusively from Christ’s divinity, the result is a most intimate coalescence. The Godhead, which itself is impenetrable, penetrates the humanity, which is thereby deified without ceasing to be perfectly human.
 
I think I sorted out what is bothering me.

No one is arguing that they are not necessary.

That is ok.

But the idea that something is necessary in the Godhead to me indicates that God is governed by something outside Himself - necessity - rather than it being an intrinsic property of the Godhead. Are necessity and self-consistency properties of the Godhead? Here I am thinking out loud. But I find the answer, I think in the Reply to Objection 5.
 
The ontological procession is not in time so there was not a decision to generate ontologically. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are simply one nature with one divine will and inseparable.

Modern Catholic Dictionary, Perichoresis (Circumincession)

The penetration and indwelling of the three divine persons reciprocally in one another.
  • In the Greek conception of the Trinity there is an emphasis on the mutual penetration of the three persons, thus bringing out the unity of the divine essence.* In the Latin idea called circumincession the stress is more on the internal processions of the three divine persons.
    In both traditions, however, the fundamental basis of the Trinitarian perichoresis is the one essence of the three persons in God.
The term is also applied to the close union of the two natures in Christ. Although the power that unites the two natures proceeds exclusively from Christ’s divinity, the result is a most intimate coalescence. The Godhead, which itself is impenetrable, penetrates the humanity, which is thereby deified without ceasing to be perfectly human.
Just because its not in time doesn’t mean there isn’t decision. The Scotian school emphasizes that God’s will is always present, even in begetting the Son from the Fathers intellect. I don’t think Aquinas disagrees
 
I don’t think however we can have any clear understand of necessity vs free will in God’s nature, except for creation of the world. Does God choose to act good? We have to struggle to be good. God’ doesn’t. Because its necessary? Or because its free. I don’t think we can get to an understanding of this apart from seeing the beatific vision
 
I don’t think however we can have any clear understand of necessity vs free will in God’s nature, except for creation of the world. Does God choose to act good? We have to struggle to be good. God’ doesn’t. Because its necessary? Or because its free. I don’t think we can get to an understanding of this apart from seeing the beatific vision
This is STA
But a thing is said to be necessary “of itself” which cannot but be: in this sense it is necessary for God to be; and in the same sense it is necessary that the Father beget the Son.

newadvent.org/summa/1041.htm#article2
God acts with complete free will, yet it is necessary to God to be Who He is.
 
Just because its not in time doesn’t mean there isn’t decision. The Scotian school emphasizes that God’s will is always present, even in begetting the Son from the Fathers intellect. I don’t think Aquinas disagrees
God as being actus purus is absolutely simple. In the eternal there is no motion or change and God does not make decisions in time. A decision is “a conclusion or resolution reached after consideration”.
 
God as being actus purus is absolutely simple. In the eternal there is no motion or change and God does not make decisions in time. A decision is “a conclusion or resolution reached after consideration”.
But there can be a logical order to things that happen outside of time, even though we speak of them, as we must, as if they were in time.
  1. God the Father is
  2. The Father filiates the Son
  3. The Spirit [words fail me]…
You cannot say there is any time when 1 happened that 2 and 3 had not yet happened. Here we can say that although there is a logical order, there is only one act, as these are not separate events but one event in which three things happen.

There were also decisions made, such as to create the world, but made, as you, say, as pure act, not as the result of some long deliberation but as a result of perfected thought, because God’s thought is full and complete and free from flaw and free from ambiguity.

We cannot rightly separate His thought, will, decision, justice, mercy or anything else, because He is simple, as you say, but these things help us understand as best we can what He must be like. At the same time we can know Him better by knowing what He is not like, by process of eliminate. He is e-ternal, for example, which is a denial that He is in time, although we really don’t know what that means, to be outside time.
 
But there can be a logical order to things that happen outside of time, even though we speak of them, as we must, as if they were in time.
  1. God the Father is
  2. The Father filiates the Son
  3. The Spirit [words fail me]…
You cannot say there is any time when 1 happened that 2 and 3 had not yet happened. Here we can say that although there is a logical order, there is only one act, as these are not separate events but one event in which three things happen.

There were also decisions made, such as to create the world, but made, as you, say, as pure act, not as the result of some long deliberation but as a result of perfected thought, because God’s thought is full and complete and free from flaw and free from ambiguity.

We cannot rightly separate His thought, will, decision, justice, mercy or anything else, because He is simple, as you say, but these things help us understand as best we can what He must be like. At the same time we can know Him better by knowing what He is not like, by process of eliminate. He is e-ternal, for example, which is a denial that He is in time, although we really don’t know what that means, to be outside time.
Time is our illusion of perception that God is not subject to. Three things did not happen. It is a conceptual ordering. And the real difference is only in our thinking. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are never independent, one mind, one will.

Catechism:

255 …Indeed "everything (in them) is one where there is no opposition of relationship."90 "Because of that unity the Father is wholly in the Son and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Son is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Holy Spirit is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Son."91
 
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