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Were most saints miserable? They seemed to live tortured, unhappy lives. Did they complain to people or their priests? They were human, surely they lost it every now and then…
Can you give an example of what you mean? I never thought that saints lived tortured, unhappy lives. To the contrary, I think that they were so close to God, that they gladly took to forsake worldly pleasures that seemed to inconsequential to them but seemed perhaps a harsh “doing without” to us who have not attained that level of heroic virtue.Were most saints miserable? They seemed to live tortured, unhappy lives. Did they complain to people or their priests? They were human, surely they lost it every now and then…
I think what is meant by this is that many Saints went through some sort of traumatic experiences or had something that would drive them away from God at some point in their lives.Can you give an example of what you mean? I never thought that saints lived tortured, unhappy lives.
Thank you.I think what is meant by this is that many Saints went through some sort of traumatic experiences or had something that would drive them away from God at some point in their lives.
For example Saint Padre Pio went through great agony with his stigmata of Saint Maximilian Kolbe who was literally starved to death in a concentration camp.
Although there is one thing in common with the saints. Thay gave all their troubles to God and knew that he would protect and care for them. I think this is why they did appear so joyous in their suffering as they knew this life is not the end.
We just have to remember even Christ, who suffered so much, in the Garden of Gethsemane asked for His suffering to be taken away. He knew though that this was the plan for him. That is why it is most likely these saints did complain a bit, but knew it was their own special plan.
it seems like they suffered a lot but through it, they were joyful and peaceful. That’s not to say it was always easy, but they got through it and their joy came from God, not from things of the world. If we read about various Saints, we can see how others described them - joyful, patient, kind, peaceful - if we read more about them, we can often see they struggled a lot at the same time. It’s not like they faked it - they just found joy in God alone. And their struggles mostly came from - interior trials, temptations, maybe persecution by others, etc - the fact that they didn’t have a lot of money or struggled in ways we typically associate with earthly suffering - that was different, because there’s actually a joy that comes with giving up everything for Christ and accepting our suffering for His sake. For example, people might think that those in religious orders are very unhappy because they don’t marry and live in poverty, but actually they’re probably the most joyful people i’ve metWere most saints miserable? They seemed to live tortured, unhappy lives. Did they complain to people or their priests? They were human, surely they lost it every now and then…
i still say "from sad and grumpy saints, deliver us oh Lord
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I think that in the case of the saints, God throws more frustration and suffering at them than most ordinary mortals could stand. I’d be surprised if they weren’t grumpy at times, with their patience stretched to breaking point and beyond.Were most saints miserable? They seemed to live tortured, unhappy lives. Did they complain to people or their priests? They were human, surely they lost it every now and then…
The saint is “wasted to its crazy bones”, but perseveres. And therein I doubt if the whitewashed and glorified accounts of the saints of popular Catholic literature reflect the tiresome day to day reality of being a saint. I bet some of them did complain.Even when I thought, with most other well-informed, though unscholarly, people, that Buddhism and Christianity were alike, there was one thing about them that always perplexed me; I mean the startling difference in their type of religious art. I do not mean in its technical style of representation, but in the things that it was manifestly meant to represent. No two ideals could be more opposite than a Christian saint in a Gothic cathedral and a Buddhist saint in a Chinese temple. The opposition exists at every point; but perhaps the shortest statement of it is that the Buddhist saint always has his eyes shut, while the Christian saint always has them very wide open. The Buddhist saint has a sleek and harmonious body, but his eyes are heavy and sealed with sleep. The mediaeval saint’s body is wasted to its crazy bones, but his eyes are frightfully alive. There cannot be any real community of spirit between forces that produced symbols so different as that. Granted that both images are extravagances, are perversions of the pure creed, it must be a real divergence which could produce such opposite extravagances. The Buddhist is looking with a peculiar intentness inwards. The Christian is staring with a frantic intentness outwards. If we follow that clue steadily we shall find some interesting things.