We're not really that different...

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BryanM27 said:
You’re limiting yourself by viewing others through your own faith. You are correct that they do not accept the trinitarian belief system, but they do accept the same God that Abraham accepted.

In the future, please stick to posting ways in which we are the same. That is why I created this thread and that is what I would like to see it remain as. If you want to discuss differences there are plenty of other threads to do so.
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Why would I want to see them through the lens of a false view of God? Is the same God that Abraham accepted Son and Holy Spirit? If so, then they do not accept the same God.

How are they the same? They are monotheistic (but monochrome). They believe in the same law (as shown in the 10 commandments). They recount many of the same OT stories.

They are also sinners who need to repent and believe the Gospel or suffer the wrath of God. I am sorry, but I won’t admit any similarities beyond that. Our command to call everyone everywhere to repent and trust in Christ is not mitigated by what thread in a forum it appears on, nor will I agree to stand by when the false god Allah is compared to our Lord and Savior.
 
TriuneUnity said:
Why would I want to see them through the lens of a false view of God? Is the same God that Abraham accepted Son and Holy Spirit? If so, then they do not accept the same God.

How are they the same? They are monotheistic (but monochrome). They believe in the same law (as shown in the 10 commandments). They recount many of the same OT stories.

They are also sinners who need to repent and believe the Gospel or suffer the wrath of God. I am sorry, but I won’t admit any similarities beyond that. Our command to call everyone everywhere to repent and trust in Christ is not mitigated by what thread in a forum it appears on, nor will I agree to stand by when the false god Allah is compared to our Lord and Savior.
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I am asking you nicely to please keep this thread for those who want to discuss the ways in which we are similar. That is the purpose of this thread, and I am asking you to please show respect to those who are using it for its intended purpose.
 
TriuneUnity said:
That’s true, Bryan, vis a vie the Virgin Mary. This isn’t anything exceptional, however. To Christians, He was born of a virgin so that He would not be conceived in the normal manner, which involves transmission of the sin nature through Adam. To Muslims, it’s no different than the parting of the Red Sea.

As to the God of Abraham. The God of Abraham is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Muslims do not pray to this God, therefore, they do not worship Him.
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that may be true my brother. but God blessed their forbearer ishmael. and if im not mistaken, these are his descendance. i applaud the way they do pray many times a day. i will leave whom they are praying to, to a higher judge. have met some Godly Muslims. also many ungodly christians. just look at the w.b.c. thats a sad case. but i would have to say prayer is a similarity between us. look at the times they pray, and the times we pray each day. Peace 🙂
 
benidict said:
that may be true my brother. but God blessed their forbearer ishmael. and if im not mistaken, these are his descendance. i applaud the way they do pray many times a day. i will leave whom they are praying to, to a higher judge. have met some Godly Muslims. also many ungodly christians. just look at the w.b.c. thats a sad case. but i would have to say prayer is a similarity between us. look at the times they pray, and the times we pray each day. Peace 🙂
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I don’t think their piety is in question, benidict. They should be respected as image bearers and fellow sinners. Their religion, however, should not be.
 
I read this poem in a book of Hafiz that I purchased today:

Would you think it odd…
~Hafiz

Would you think it odd if Hafiz said,
"I am in love with every church
And mosque
And temple
And any kind of shrine

Because I know it is there
That people say the different names
Of the One God."

Would you tell your friends
I was a bit strange if I admitted
I am indeed in love with every mind
And heart and body.

O I am sincerely
Plumb crazy
About your every thought and yearning
And limb

Because, my dear,
I know
That it is through these

That you search for Him.
 
and another:

I HAVE LEARNED SO MUCH
~Hafiz

I
Have
Learned
So much from God
That I can no longer
Call
Myself

A Christian, a Hindu, a Muslim,
A Buddhist, a Jew.

The Truth has shared so much of Itself
With me

That I can no longer call myself
A man, a woman, an angel,
Or even pure
Soul.

Love has
Befriended Hafiz so completely
It has turned to ash
And freed
Me

Of every concept and image
My mind has ever known.
 
TriuneUnity said:
I don’t think their piety is in question, benidict. They should be respected as image bearers and fellow sinners. Their religion, however, should not be.
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i think i can find agreement with you in this. i see where you are coming from. peace 🙂
 
larkin31 said:
and another:

I HAVE LEARNED SO MUCH
~Hafiz

I
Have
Learned
So much from God
That I can no longer
Call
Myself

A Christian, a Hindu, a Muslim,
A Buddhist, a Jew.

The Truth has shared so much of Itself
With me

That I can no longer call myself
A man, a woman, an angel,
Or even pure
Soul.

Love has
Befriended Hafiz so completely
It has turned to ash
And freed
Me

Of every concept and image
My mind has ever known.
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is this a Sufi Muslim larkin?
 
BryanM27 said:
I am asking you nicely to please keep this thread for those who want to discuss the ways in which we are similar. That is the purpose of this thread, and I am asking you to please show respect to those who are using it for its intended purpose.
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This is a laudable goal. However, it cannot ever be a vehicle for spreading false doctrine. You need to consider that, yes?
 
MelanieAnne said:
This is a laudable goal. However, it cannot ever be a vehicle for spreading false doctrine. You need to consider that, yes?
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I’m not looking to spread false doctrine. And if everyone focuses on the things we have in common then it won’t. Instead it will help everyone to realize how similar we are and maybe, just maybe, be able to treat each other with a little bit more respect as children of God.

I’m simply hoping that people will use this thread in an effort to bridge the gap between us, especially among Christians.

As His Holiness Pope John Paul II said: “Thus, it is absolutely clear that ecumenism, the movement promoting Christian unity, is not just some sort of ‘appendix’ which is added to the Church’s traditional activity. Rather, ecumenism is an organic part of her life and work, and consequently must pervade all that she is and does; it must be like the fruit borne by a healthy and flourishing tree which grows to its full stature”.

For a full description of the call to ecumenism, see this link: ewtn.com/library/CURIA/ECUMENSM.HTM
 
Here’s another thing we have in common:

No matter who we are or where we come from or who we pray too, we all experience pain and suffering in this life in some form or another.
 
BryanM27 said:
Here’s another thing we have in common:

No matter who we are or where we come from or who we pray too, we all experience pain and suffering in this life in some form or another.
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Indeed, the way of all flesh.
 
We all strive to do our best and get to Heaven, or your religion’s equivalent to Heaven.
 
pinay said:
We all have CHARITY in common - not just Catholic and LDS - but all other Christian churches and even non-Christian ones.
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I wanted to highlight this post again. Thank you, pinay. For all our faults, Christians and Muslims do an excellent job of taking care of those in need. Can we be better? Absolutely! But if we were not capable of doing better, we wouldn’t be human.
 
Bump 😉

C’mon guys… We really aren’t that different. Let’s keep this thread going so we can find just how similar we are.

There is too much negativity in this forum on all sides. Let’s try to bring something positive.
 
Since we are **not **that different, why aren’t the muslim members participating so they may show us how similar we are…!!!
 
lying, cheating, stealing, and murdering are quite widely disparaged in religious texts across the world
 
Today the ELCA commemorates, John XXIII, Bishop of Rome. Does that count?
 
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