Were the Jewish people mad at the Good Friday liturgy? (EF)

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LOL!

wearing yarmulkes at TLM!

Classic.

For those who don’t get it, the OP is cleverly and quite comically satirizing the jews who take offense to our Good Friday prayers.
LOL YES! Thank you! your “grace” LOL…Finally someone who “gets” it…It was satire, And I am glad that at least His grace the Duke of Mantua, “gets It” …Lighten up people, I am French, (ethnicity) and I cannot resist satire…🙂
apologies to anyone who was offended.
 
I I know Catholics from “the old days” who remember being told they would be committing a mortal sin if they sent their children to public schools, too.
Believe me, give the quality of the schools around here, it probably SHOULD be a mortal sin to put a child in the public school system!
 
Believe me, give the quality of the schools around here, it probably SHOULD be a mortal sin to put a child in the public school system!
Ha, ha, you’re RIGHT! 🙂 Which is why my two daughters are homeschooled and my son is cyberschooled!
 
If you speak the truth of Jesus Christ in a way that lacks compassion, that is also a lie.

This thread would seem to be about whether it is wrong to take the possible unintended repercussions of prayers written for Good Friday into account, particularly whether or not the wording of the prayers encourages or discourages anti-Semitism (a sin) or whether it tends to teach a correct or incorrect theology concerning God’s irrevocable love for the Jewish people.

Passion plays do not have, as their primary intention, denigration of the Jewish people. Yet that became such a common element of the plays that the Church banned them for a time.

The other question is whether our prayers, if they offend Jews, are likely to have the effect of converting Jews to the Gospel. How are they to be converted based on our love when they are not even convinced by our decency?

I am not suggesting any lies. I am suggesting speaking the truth in a way that does not obscure it, even unintentionally. I see that you also want the truth to be told without being obscured. We only disagree as to how to do that.
How would you do it then? Present the events of the Passion accurately and completely without having the possibility that some would take offense?
 
All this controversy that’s gone on - I find it very hard to believe there are people of the Jewish faith in Catholic churches on Good Friday (the only time I’m aware they have attended Catholic service - is midnight Masses - St. Patrick’s, NYC, for instance - for the musical aspect - not the religious aspect.

However, while the Good Friday prayers in Latin, Traditional parishes still are said the old way (and never in a derogatory way) towards the Jewish Faith - it’s one day a year. However, there’s a prayer called the Consecration of the Human Race to the Sacred Heart, which apparently used to specifically mention TWO faiths in particular. My leaflet shows a different version without that reference. However, online I’d seen a version online evidently attributed to Pius XI - reads as follows - It’s copied from there below - and I’m thinking that we have to assume the area, which I’ve highlighted in bold, was very possibly removed also in a similar outcry from other faiths. I’ve known and said this prayer but never with the highlighted section below…I’m sure many know the prayer but not this version - It’s interesting though. I’d never seen the prayer this way until I couldn’t find my leaflet and was researching to find a copy found online at catholicdoors.com/prayers/english/p00167.htm
several weeks ago. Does anyone know any background on this?

Most sweet Jesus,
Redeemer of the human race,
look down upon us,
humbly prostrate before Thine altar.

We are Thine and Thine we wish to be;
but to be more surely united with Thee,
behold each one of us freely consecrates himself today
to Thy Most Sacred Heart.

Many, indeed, have never known Thee;
many, too, despising Thy precepts,
have rejected Thee.

Have mercy on them all,
most merciful Jesus,
and draw them to Thy Sacred Heart.

Be Thou King, O Lord,
not only of the faithful who have never forsaken Thee,
but also of the prodigal children who have abandoned Thee,
grant that they may quickly return to their Father’s house,
lest they die of wretchedness and hunger.

Be Thou King of those who are deceived by erroneous opinions,
or whom discord keeps aloof
and call them back to the harbour of truth and unity of faith,
so that soon there may be but one flock and one shepherd.

Be Thou King of all those who even now sit in the shadow of idolatry or Islam,
and refuse not Thou to bring them into the light of Thy kingdom.
Look, finally, with eyes of pity upon the children of that race,
which was for so long a time Thy chosen people;
and let Thy Blood, which was once invoked upon them in vengeance,
now descend upon them also in a cleansing flood of redemption and eternal life.


Grant, O Lord,
to Thy Church,
assurance of freedom and immunity from harm;
give peace and order to all nations,
and make the earth resound
from pole to pole with one cry:
Praise to the Divine Heart
that wrought our salvation:
to it be glory
and honour forever.

Amen
 
The traditional Good Friday liturgy (pre-V2) prays “for the perfidious Jews” (I have an old Catholic missal that had been my mom’s before she converted to Judaism decades ago, so I’ve seen it.)

Perfidious? A word which means “lacking faith”.

Lacking faith in Christianity, yes, of course. But the Orthodox Jews I know have a VERY strong faith in Hashem (The Name; what we call God.) We believe Hashem (God) is echad (One)…and our faith in Him is VERY strong.
 
I am asking this question, because I was wondering (with all the controversy surrounding the prayer) if the thousands of Jewish Brothers/Sisters who attend the good friday liturgy in the extaordinary form, if anyone noticed if they (the Jewish people) seemed mad?

At my Parish, when the prayer for their conversion was read, (in latin) they all seemed very angry! Some even left. (and there was A lot of them there, wearing yarmulkes)

what was the reaction at your Parish?
🙂
So what if they are?

Would they start to praise Jesus and Mary if we were present during their worship?
 
All of this sounds pretty bizarre to me. Why are these Jews attending our Good Friday liturgies, anyway? To be offended? To keep tabs on us? You don’t see many Roman Catholics at synagogue is what I’m saying. We couldn’t care less what Jews do in their places of worship, outside of perhaps a very general curiosity (which can be satisfied any time).

Clearly, these Jews wanted to hear what we’re saying about them (Good Friday being the day of gasp “the prayer”), and they were prepared to get angry and complain if what we said was not up to their standards. There is something messed-up about that. It shows a lack of respect for us and our traditions. I cannot imagine hordes of Catholics showing up at synagogues to do the same if there were a day when Jews said a prayer for us, or in any way spoke of us. Like, who cares? In any case I like to think that we Catholics have enough respect for the Jews and their traditions to not be sticking our noses in on them while they worship, making sure that everything is “in line.”

Frankly, I find this to be outrageous and highly offensive behavior, and I know that I’m not alone on this in the Catholic community.
 
How would you do it then? Present the events of the Passion accurately and completely without having the possibility that some would take offense?
The traditional Good Friday liturgy (pre-V2) prays “for the perfidious Jews” (I have an old Catholic missal that had been my mom’s before she converted to Judaism decades ago, so I’ve seen it.)

Perfidious? A word which means “lacking faith”.

Lacking faith in Christianity, yes, of course. But the Orthodox Jews I know have a VERY strong faith in Hashem (The Name; what we call God.) We believe Hashem (God) is echad (One)…and our faith in Him is VERY strong.
palmas85, do you see now how there is a way of expressing the truth that Jews have not accepted Christ, a truth that they do not deny, in such a way that they will inevitably a) misunderstand your message and b) feel wrongly accused? At least, I hope you don’t think Jews have no faith. If that is what you think, we have no more room for discussion.

How we speak the truth is hugely important, both to the Christians who hear it and to the non-Christians who will come to find out it was spoken. How we treat the Jews will come out of how we pray for the Jews. How they hear us is going to come out of how they think we see them and talk about them. If they think we don’t believe that they serve and worship the one true God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God who has chosen them and will never abandon them, I would assume they would immediately assume we worship some other, and therefore that we worship falsehood.

How is that a way of presenting Christ accurately and completely? It is not.
 
The post was satire! Lighten up people, and please post your observations, of the reaction, of the thousands of our Jewish Brothers and Sisters, (those that attended) to the Good Friday prayers for their conversion,(in Latin) during the Sacred Triduum (EF) as it occured in your Parishes, respectively.
🙂
 
The post was satire! Lighten up people, and please post your observations, of the reaction, of the thousands of our Jewish Brothers and Sisters, (those that attended) to the Good Friday prayers for their conversion,(in Latin) during the Sacred Triduum (EF) as it occured in your Parishes, respectively.
🙂
I knew something was fishy when you described a lot of (non-Orthodox, as others have pointed out) Jews in yarmulkes attending a CATHOLIC liturgy…😛

Living in a country where Christians themselves are in a minority and encountering a Jew (in the religious sense) is rarer than encountering the Yeti (same for the Philippines where I grew up; meeting a Jew that is), I can’t say for any of their reaction.

But whatever would a Jew be doing in a Catholic Church? To make sure we don’t say anything ‘bad’ about them? Should we start to deploy our Albino Monks in Synagogues to investigate Services or something like that to get even? :rolleyes: 😃
 
That was a disproportionate response to my joke. I’ll get even with you for that.
 
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