Were the people who crucified Jesus forced to do it?

[pm2222]

if the people who crucified Jesus decided before they crucified him that they weren’t going to crucify him. How would our sins have ever been forgiven? I know they had free will but it was part of God’s plan for us for Jesus to die for our sins, so did God in anyway force the people who crucifed Jesus to do that? Any answers to clarify this would be great, Thanks!

 

[Trishie]

God could have found another way.

**The mere fact that God became one of us sanctified the human race. **

No one forced the Temple authorities to decide to eliminate Jesus. They saw Him as a threat. No one forced Judas to betray him. Judas was already a thief as he became tempted by the donations others gave to support Jesus’ ministry.* He was in charge of the funds. Knowing the Jewish authorities saw Jesus as a threat to the status quo, they found Judas an easy target…he was seduced by the thirty pieces of silver. The soldiers thought they were executing a criminal, amongst other criminals, so had no problem with executing Him, although one of them later realized He was a good man. Herod saw Jesus was innocent, but he was scared that the Jewish authorities would report him to Rome and he’d be relieved of his post…so a lot of human self interest led to Jesus’ execution.

*****John 12:4-6

4 But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, who was later to betray him, objected, 5 “Why wasn’t this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year’s wages. 6 He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it.

 

[jochoa]

Were the people who crucified Jesus forced to do it? No.
if the people who crucified Jesus decided before they crucified him that they weren’t going to crucify him. How would our sins have ever been forgiven? Everyone would have followed Jesus through His Church in doing the same will that is done in Heaven (always being patient, kind, and motivated for God). Everyone would have repented and reconciled for their own trespasses and forgiven for others’ trespasses against them.

I encourage you to take caution when attempting to discern God’s Wants and Plans from His Omnipotence.
Stated Simply: Just because God knows everything that happens and the plan He will implement to achieve what He wants, does not mean He wants everything that happens.

Stated in greater, yet incomplete and ignorant, detail:
God wants free-willed beings to celebrate with Him in the amazing Love (always patient and kind) He experiences every moment.

Since God knows Love perfectly to the point that He is Love, His plan to obtain what He wants is perfectly in accordance with Love, and fully undefinable by our human minds.
I think of His plan like this:

1. Create beings and give them complete free will to choose their desires and actions.
2. Give them evidence, not proof, of His Existence (Complexity of Nature, The Bible) and Love (always being patient, kind, and motivated for God as Jesus did in His Crucifixion), and revealing the effects of His Existence (Beauty in Nature) and Love (peace, happiness, and energy).
3. Judge the quality of a being’s faith in God based on the evidence provided.

My simplistic thoughts on His Omnipotence:
He knows that when one has free-will and lacks full knowledge, at some point, one must choose faith.
He knows that some will not choose faith.
He knows that some will be guided by others that did not choose faith.
He knows that when beings are not always patient, kind, and motivated by God towards themselves, others, authority, and material, they will become more and more corrupt (impatient, mean, and fatigued), until they choose Faith in God and His Love.

I hope this is of greater assistance, rather than hindrance.

 

[Holly3278]

I don’t think they were forced to do it. They could have refused to do it even though they may have faced death for doing so. However, for those who did do it, they could have been forgiven had they been baptized.

 

[pm2222]

All of yalls post help a lot but I am still confused on one issue. When God sent His son, did he need sinners to crucify Him? Like did God plan for these people to be sinners so that they could crucify HuSon? I am confused by this because how could God desire everyone to love Him if he needed peopeople to crucify His son in order to save everyone?

 

[Miriam1947]

All of yalls post help a lot but I am still confused on one issue. When God sent His son, did he need sinners to crucify Him? Like did God plan for these people to be sinners so that they could crucify HuSon? I am confused by this because how could God desire everyone to love Him if he needed peopeople to crucify His son in order to save everyone?

God knew that Christ (who is the second person of the Holy Trinity, God) would be crucified. Christ knew what kind of death he would have.

Just because God knows who is a sinner does not mean that he causes a person to sin. Free will.

 

[pm2222]

I know that is true. But without sinners how would God"s plan for Jesus to die on the cross for us ever be completed?

 

[Miriam1947]

I know that is true. But without sinners how would God"s plan for Jesus to die on the cross for us ever be completed?

Okay, let’s start from the beginning shall we?

After God created everything, He then created Adam and Eve. They sinned. That is why we have a fallen nature. Christ always was and, God always knew what would happen.

There is no time with God. Yesterday, today and tomorrow are in front of Him all the time. God is outside time and we do not really grasp it even though sometimes we have these tiny little insights.

We cannot understand because we do not now, nor will we ever, know the entire mind of God.

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[jochoa]

I know that is true. But without sinners how would God"s plan for Jesus to die on the cross for us ever be completed?

Though I discourage you from focusing on what if the past was different scenarios because they tend to generate doubt and confusion, I bid you good fortune to finding all the answers you seek. I also encourage you to focus on mastering the greatest commandment to find greater peace, happiness, and energy.

We can’t change what happened in the past.
We can’t change what God knows will happen in the future.
However…
We can change what we will do in the future based on what happened in the past.
We can change which side we are on prior to Judgment.