Were there consecrated virgins at the Jewish Temple?

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Just wanted to point out that a life of chastity is indeed for everyone. Chastity does not equate to virginity, but is living a sexually pure life no matter what your state (for married people this is faithfulness to their partner).

Sorry for the interruption.😊
No need to be sorry, 🙂 And I agree, being chaste is not the same as being virginal 
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But there are people who decide to remain viginal and as such maintain a chaste life style 
 they have existed throughout time and across cultures 


Just because we cannot understand the choice or because it is not the norm and is counter-cultural does not mean that this life can have great meaning for those who choose it 


I have known people who have made this distinct choice 
 they are at peace and happy with their vocation 

 
So is there any historical proof that Temple Virgins existed?
 
Well I did a little digging and found that scripture gives evidence that there were orders of holy women who lived in the temple and devoted their lives to worship and prayer. Anna was one such woman. (Luke 2:36-38) In fact, when Anna recognizes Mary and the child Jesus the legend has it that she did so because Mary was once her novice in the women’s order in the temple.

Basing an hypothesis upon another hypothesis is vicious reasoning.​

Also the experience of the Essene Community indicates a vital ‘monastic’ tradition in Judaism at the time of Christ.

The Dead Sea Community (d’you mean them ? :)) was opposed to the Temple on principle, so it is not a good index of Temple practice.​

There is also the story of Jephthah’s daughter in the book of Judges. (Judges 11. 31-40) Jephthah made a rash vow to sacrifice the first thing he saw on return from battle, and the first person to greet him was his daughter. Did he actually kill her, or did he make the oblation in form of her service to the temple. When she heard the news she didn’t grieve that she was losing her life, but that she would never marry. Some scholars think that she joined an order of temple virgins, and that such orders existed regularly within the Jewish religion.

The story is set in the time of the Shiloh “temple”, about which next to nothing is known in any case, so one cannot base anything on a dubious interpretation of a text which may or may not be based on a genuinely historical tradition.​

Also THE GOSPEL OF THE BIRTH OF MARY is an early work that mentions Mary being dedicated to the Temple at an early age and never permitted to come in contact with any impure food etc. This is generally attributed to St. Matthew and was considered genuine and authentic by many of the ancient Christian sects. The Gospel is mentioned by several of the church fathers, including Jerome, Epiphanius, and Austin. One of the so-called Lost Books of the Bible, The Gospel of the Birth of Mary was rejected during the formulation of the Bible by various edicts and councils of the early Church.

James

The Protevangelium is a poor guide to Second Temple Judaism: the author can’t even do something relatively simple such as find the right name for the High Priest, so his failure on that point does not encourage confidence in his reliability on more obscure matters such as the running of the Temple.​

It can’t possibly be by Matthew - that sort of attribution has all the appearance of being the use of a great name to lend authority to a fiction. There are several books bearing the names of Adam, Eve, Enoch, Noah, Moses & others: it doesn’t follow that these books were written by those worthies. There are at least Apocalypses of John: that’s not a reason to think he saw even one line of them.

The Protevangelium is adequately explained as an early example of a Christian writing that is beginning to find the lesser characters of the NT interesting in themselves, independently of Christ; that alone proves it is too late to be of Apostolic origin, for the NT is about Christ. The Protevangelium is about Mary. Nor is it is free of the love of the marvellous for its own sake that later becomes so marked in the non-authentic lives of saints; there is none of that in any of the four gospels. The author has far better taste than whoever is responsible for the amoral miracles of the “Infancy Gospel of Thomas”: that doesn’t make the Protevangelium authentic - except as an early Marian apocryphon.
 
What about Catholic mystics? They have said Mary became a Temple Virgin until God commanded her to leave and ask her parents to arrange her marriage. She waited on God’s decision and He chose Joseph for her.

If you need the passages, I can quote them.
 
My suggestions:
  • The notion seems very unlikely, because it would have an unwelcome similitude to one of the most criticized aspects of pagan worship: temple prostitution.
  • Apocryphal writings are poor witnesses about such events. Their character is often legendary and their authorship is dubious.
  • Nothing in the Old Testament indicates a high regard for virginity (thatÂŽs a New Testament contribution). Lack of children, for whatever reason, seems to be always a disgrace. Thats why JeptahÂŽs daughter wept more for dying a virgin that for her death itself.
  • The Essenes represent a very different trend in Judaism, and their customs offer more a contrast than an affinity with Temple customs.
 
I agree with those that are skeptical about the idea. I think this is rooted in a very poor form of apologetics.

The Protestants argue that in Jewish culture Mary and Joseph would have had sex and additional children. The proper counter to that is simply that is not what happened in this case. The tradition that Joseph was an older widower may help explain why. Angels popping up and making pronouncements, wise men appearing with cryptic warnings, old men prophesying, and so forth may also. But there is no need to assume a temple practice and then put Mary in it.

Besides, it doesn’t make a lot of sense. If she was a temple virgin, was she released from that when she had a child? I’m not sure what a temple virgin does, but I’m guessing fleeing to Egypt with your new born child would get you fired. I guess the thought is that she left the temple but maintained her vow. I suppose that is possible, but its seems like speculation drawn from conjecture.
 
Yes.

I have done much research in this area. The virgins were usually accepted and consecrated into the Temple as children, usually at the age of reason (5 or 6). They had to be intelligent, have a good nature, be obedient to their parents, and know the Law of Moses. It was a big deal to be consecrated to the Temple. There was a big ceremony in which the girls wore ornate clothing specially made for the occasion. All the relatives of the family would gather for the event and have a big celebration and feast for several days.

The girls lived at the Temple in quarters similar to a dormitory, supervised by the older women. In addition to their studies and prayers, they performed tasks such as washing ritual garments, and other things appropriate for their age. Most girls stayed at the Temple until they were of marrying age (14 or so).

The Virgin Mary was one of these virgins consecrated to the Temple. She lived at the Temple with the other girls. You might enjoy reading “The Life of the Blessed Virgin Mary” an account by Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich given to her by the Virgin Mary herself during her appearances and revelations to her throughout her life. In it is an amazing amount of detail.
 
Yes.

I have done much research in this area. The virgins were usually accepted and consecrated into the Temple as children, usually at the age of reason (5 or 6). They had to be intelligent, have a good nature, be obedient to their parents, and know the Law of Moses. It was a big deal to be consecrated to the Temple. There was a big ceremony in which the girls wore ornate clothing specially made for the occasion. All the relatives of the family would gather for the event and have a big celebration and feast for several days.

The girls lived at the Temple in quarters similar to a dormitory, supervised by the older women. In addition to their studies and prayers, they performed tasks such as washing ritual garments, and other things appropriate for their age. Most girls stayed at the Temple until they were of marrying age (14 or so).

The Virgin Mary was one of these virgins consecrated to the Temple. She lived at the Temple with the other girls. You might enjoy reading “The Life of the Blessed Virgin Mary” an account by Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich given to her by the Virgin Mary herself during her appearances and revelations to her throughout her life. In it is an amazing amount of detail.
So your research is based upon
revelations from Mary?
Tell you what, do you have anything I can read on the topic that does not come from a vision?
Far be it for ME to question the historicity of such a claim
but I am questioning it!!
I would love to read something from a Jewish perspective.
 
I have done much research over the years on ancient Jewish customs. My great grandparents were Jews living in Europe, which led me to study and read everything I could find in this area.
I also study in particular what Jewish historians and Jewish archaeologists have to say. Their perspective is part of their own heritage.

Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich was bedridden most of her life and survived on the Eurcharist. She had the stigmata and was a "victim soul’ spending her life in bed in excruciating pain from bearing the wounds of Christ. I have no reason to doubt any of her accounts that were published after her death. She received many revelations from Jesus as well as Mary. What Mary revealed to her is consistent with what is written about the ancient customs of that time. The difference is, the Virgin Mary also gave her specific insight and background into her early life, her home, her family, her marriage to Joseph and the birth of Jesus.

Since Catherine Emmerich is in the process of cannonization, I don’t doubt any of the accounts of this holy woman. However, since these revelations were private, you are not obligated to believe them. Personally, after reading them I don’t see how someone could merely “invent” them. There is just too much detail in her accounts and she never contradicts herself.

Many of the saints have had visions and received special insights and wisdom of a divine nature. After all, scripture says that Jesus personally taught the apostles and later appeared to them after he resurrected. So why can’t Jesus do the same for anyone he chooses at any time in history? There must be a purpose in it.
 
I have done much research over the years on ancient Jewish customs. My great grandparents were Jews living in Europe, which led me to study and read everything I could find in this area.
I also study in particular what Jewish historians and Jewish archaeologists have to say. Their perspective is part of their own heritage.

Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich was bedridden most of her life and survived on the Eurcharist. She had the stigmata and was a "victim soul’ spending her life in bed in excruciating pain from bearing the wounds of Christ. I have no reason to doubt any of her accounts that were published after her death. She received many revelations from Jesus as well as Mary. What Mary revealed to her is consistent with what is written about the ancient customs of that time. The difference is, the Virgin Mary also gave her specific insight and background into her early life, her home, her family, her marriage to Joseph and the birth of Jesus.

Since Catherine Emmerich is in the process of cannonization, I don’t doubt any of the accounts of this holy woman. However, since these revelations were private, you are not obligated to believe them. Personally, after reading them I don’t see how someone could merely “invent” them. There is just too much detail in her accounts and she never contradicts herself.

Many of the saints have had visions and received special insights and wisdom of a divine nature. After all, scripture says that Jesus personally taught the apostles and later appeared to them after he resurrected. So why can’t Jesus do the same for anyone he chooses at any time in history? There must be a purpose in it.
So your answer is “no”. You do not have any sources other than reported visions. As far as details of her visions, she had 6 years to get them right and she had a professional writer to put her words in order. I also read that she talked about Jocabim (sp?) eating from the Ark of the Covenant. I don’t understand how this can be since it is acknowledged, now at least, that the ark was never in the Second Temple.
 
I just told you that I have studied extensively on this subject (as well as many others) my whole life. Over the years, I have visited numerous libraries, especially those on university campuses that have archeology programs in the US as well as in Europe. There are volumes of historical documents out there. It takes time to find them and read through them. Sometimes you come up empty, other times one text will lead you to others.

Unfortunately, you won’t find exactly what you want to know all neatly packaged up in one little book that you can buy on Amazon.com. For authenticity, you really have to research from dozens of sources. It’s a lot of work. But if you’re really interested in it, why not do your homework?

You can start by visiting your local public library or the closest university library. Most non-fiction texts site their sources and have references from which you can also research for further study. You can also try the library of Congress. The libraries and archives kept in Washington D.C. are some of the best. There is also a tremendous amount of information that can be found at the university of Oxford (England). Unfortunately, in most instances when visiting a library (other than in your hometown) you don’t have privileges to check out reference material. You can only read it while there and take notes. But many libraries have their card catalogues on-line so you can see what might be available.
 
I just told you that I have studied extensively on this subject (as well as many others) my whole life. Over the years, I have visited numerous libraries, especially those on university campuses that have archeology programs in the US as well as in Europe. There are volumes of historical documents out there. It takes time to find them and read through them. Sometimes you come up empty, other times one text will lead you to others.

Unfortunately, you won’t find exactly what you want to know all neatly packaged up in one little book that you can buy on Amazon.com. For authenticity, you really have to research from dozens of sources. It’s a lot of work. But if you’re really interested in it, why not do your homework?

You can start by visiting your local public library or the closest university library. Most non-fiction texts site their sources and have references from which you can also research for further study. You can also try the library of Congress. The libraries and archives kept in Washington D.C. are some of the best. There is also a tremendous amount of information that can be found at the university of Oxford (England). Unfortunately, in most instances when visiting a library (other than in your hometown) you don’t have privileges to check out reference material. You can only read it while there and take notes. But many libraries have their card catalogues on-line so you can see what might be available.
Yes. You keep saying you have studied this extensively. But you only give visions as a source. If you can recall one of the volumes of historical documents that you came across to support the practice of consercrating virgins at the Temple, I’d like to see it. I’ve done a bit of studying in my time. I haven’t seen anything to support consercrated virgins at the Temple.

To be consecrated would require a special rite or ceremony by the priest to dedicate that person to God. The only thing that comes close to this, according to the Torah, is the vow of the Nazarite. And virginity is not an issue here.
 
Luke

2:36 There was also a prophetess, Anna the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was very old, having been married to her husband for seven years until his death. 2:37 She had lived as a widow since then for eighty-four years. She never left the temple, worshiping with fasting and prayer night and day.

net.bible.org/passage.php?passage=Lk%202:22-39

In Judaism there is no such thing as a Temple Virgin, it would be contray to the Law to multiply and be fruitful.

jewishencyclopedia.com/search_results.jsp?searchType=1&pageNum=1&search=virgin+temple&searchOpt=0&x=19&y=5
 
Yerusalim said:
“There were no “temple virgins” in Judaism. With very few exceptions even the idea of celibacy is destained.” 🙂 🙂 🙂
– Forgive me, I realize that in the heat of blog responding a lot of typos are let fly, but this one is just too DELICIOUS to let go without comment.
“even the idea of celibacy is destained” De-stained indeed!!! Yo-Ho-Ho! 🙂
Of course, Yerusalim, you mean to say “disdained,” that is to say “thought little of” or “cast aside” or literally “un-worthied.” For the entirety of Judaism before, say, the era of Queen Esther I would say you are entirely correct. Certainly, from that time on there are alternative ideas of what “true womanhood” means entering from without and growing up from within the Jewish tradition.
–The sheriff (Tommy Lee Jones) in the film “No Country for Old Men” – a film I very highly recommend to all ADULTS – when asked by the young wife if a life history he earlier recounted to her is a true story, having momentarily forgotten the fable he had concocted, says “Well, uh, um, it is TRUE that it is a STORY.”
– Similarly, on the matter of Mary’s being a consecrated virgin at the Jerusalem temple. Mary’s family went regularly to the temple (as evidenced by their practice during Jesus’ childhood), Mary had consecrated her virginity to the Lord (witness her reaction to Gabriel’s greeting). Doubtless, she prayed to this effect while at the Temple as a young girl or woman, and doubtless she drew strength and inspiration from other such devout women while at the Temple, such as Anna.
– So we have virgins consecrated to the Lord AND a temple AND Jerusalem AND they all come together before and after the birth of Jesus . . . but . . . you are right to say that we have no literal proof that there was (or was not!) a “guild” or “order” or “league” or “legion” 🙂 of virgins formally associated with the 1st century Jerusalem temple’s governing structure.
Pax Christi! --Rusty
 
Hacky, I think what the man is telling you is that he would pay you money to put together an anthology of references or for you to write your own book summarizing your research in this area.

Frankly, it would be a signification contribution to The Catholic Church if you could produce such a work and get a Bishop to affix is impremateur on it and put it into the public domain.

You can count at least on all protestants buying it. They will want to learn if they have to change tactics on attacking Church doctrines in new ways and concede the Marian dogma.

There could be some nice retirement cash in it for you or a source for donating to charity. That is not to mention it would remove some doubting Thomas’ from the protestant rank and file and get those sitting on the Marian doctrine fence to convert to Catholicism. Now that would earn you some serious heavenly coin in saving a few more lost souls for God. 😉

James
 
Come on folks. I think the vast majority of people on here are college educated. If you do not remember the exact name of your source, it is fairly easy to get it. Since when is it wrong to ask for a little evidence?
If I say the third pope killed children and beat his neighbors wife, and then tell YOU to find the source, how lazy is that?
 

Some how, catholics mis-read this text to mean that Anna was a concentrated Temple virgin from birth.​

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
And there was a prophetess, Anna the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was advanced in years and had lived with her husband seven years after her marriage,

GOD’S WORDÂź Translation (©1995)
Anna, a prophet, was also there. She was a descendant of Phanuel from the tribe of Asher. She was now very old. Her husband had died seven years after they were married,

King James Bible
And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;

Bible in Basic English
And there was one, Anna, a woman prophet, the daughter of Phanuel, of the family of Asher (she was very old, and after seven years of married life

Douay-Rheims Bible
And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser; she was far advanced in years, and had lived with her husband seven years from her virginity.

NET BIBLE,

There was also a prophetess, Anna the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was very old, having been married to her husband for seven years until his death. She had lived as a widow since then for eighty-four years. She never left the temple, worshiping with fasting and prayer night and day.
 
Now, the rest of the story from a Jewish perspective,

THERAPEUTÆ

Depicted by Philo.

A community of Jewish ascetics settled on Lake Mareotis in the vicinity of Alexandria at the time of Philo, who alone, in his work “De Vita Contemplativa,” has preserved a record of their existence. The fact that the TherapeutĂŠ are mentioned by no other writer of the time, and that they are declared by Eusebius (3d cent.) in his “Historia Ecclesiastica” (II., ch. xvi.-xvii.) to have been Christian monks, has induced Lucius, in a special work entitled “Die Therapeuten und Ihre Stellung in der Geschichte der Askese” (1879), to attempt to prove the Christian origin and character of the Philonean work and of the “monks and nuns” described therein, after GrĂ€tz (“Gesch.” 4th ed., iii. 799) had declared it to be spurious. Lucius found many followers, among whom was SchĂŒrer (“Gesch.” 3d ed., iii. 535-538). His arguments, however, have been refuted by the leading authorities on Philo, viz., Massebieau (“Revue de l’Histoire des Religions,” 1887, pp. 170-198, 284-319), Wendland (“Die Therapeuten,” 1896), and most thoroughly and effectively by Conybeare (“Philo About the Contemplative Life,” Oxford, 1895; see also Bousset, “Religion des Judenthums im Neutestamentlichen Zeitalter,” 1903, pp. 443-446).

Mode of Life.

Although the life of the TherapeutĂŠ as depicted by Philo appears rather singular and strange, its Jewish character may as little be questioned as the authenticity of the Philonic work itself. The influx of many currents of thought and religious practise produced in the Jewish diaspora many forms of religious life scarcely known to the historian: several of these helped in the shaping of the Christian Church. The name “Therapeuté” (Î˜Î”ÏÎ±Ï€Î”Ï…Ï„Î±ÎŻ; áŒčÎșÎ”Ï„Î±ÎŻ is another name for these ascetics) is often used by Philo for Jewish believers or worshipers of God; and it was the official title of certain religious gilds found in inscriptions, as was also the Latin name “Cultores” = “Worshipers” (see Conybeare, l.c. p. 293, and Metuentes). It corresponds with the Aramean “Puláž„ane di-Elaha.” The members of the sect seem to have branched off from the Essene brotherhood; hence also the meaning “Physicians” given to the name “Therapeuté” (Philo, l.c. § 1), just as the title “Asaiai” (= “Healers”) was given to the Esaioi (see Essenes). The TherapeutĂŠ differed, however, from the Essenes in that they lived each in a separate cell, called “monasterium,” in which they spent their time in mystic devotion and ascetic practises, and particularly in the study of the Torah (“the Law and the Prophets”) and in reciting the Psalms as well as hymns composed by them. While remaining in retirement they indulged in neither meat nor drink nor any other enjoyment of the flesh.

Like the Essenes, they offered every morning at sunrise a prayer of thanksgiving to God for the light of day as well as for the light of the Torah, and again at sunset for the withdrawal of the sunlight and for the truth hidden within the soul. In studying the Scriptures they followed the allegorical system of interpretation, for which they used also works of their own sect. They took their meals only after sunset and attended to all their bodily necessities at night, holding that the light of day was given for study solely. Some ate only twice a week; others fasted from Sabbath to Sabbath.

Sabbath.

On the Sabbath they left their cells and assembled in a large hall for the common study of the Law as well as for their holy communion meal. The oldest member of the community began with a benediction over the Torah and then expounded the Law while all listened in silence; the others followed in turn.After this they sat down to a common meal, which was very simple, consisting of bread and salt and herbs (hyssop); and water from a spring was their drink in place of wine. The Therapeuté, differing in this respect from the Essenes, included women members. These, though advanced in years, were regarded as pure virgins on account of their lives of abstinence and chastity; and they seem to have been helpful in nursing and educating waifs and non-Jewish children that took refuge in such Essene communities (Philo, l.c. § 8). For these female members a partition was made in the assembly hall, separating them from the men by a wall three to four cubits in height, so that they might listen to the discourses on the Law without infringing the rules of modesty becoming to women (comp. the “tiᾳᾳun gadol” in the Temple gatherings at Sukkot; Suk. v. 2); also at meals the women sat at separate tables remote from the men. Young men, but no slaves, waited at table; and probably young women at the tables of the women. They all wore white raiments like the Essenes. After the repast, passages of Scripture were explained by the presiding officer and other speakers, with special reference to the mysteries of the Law; and each of these interpretations was followed by the singing of hymns in chorus, in which both men and women invariably joined.

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In Short, these women lived normal lives until they became Widows. Because of their lack of opportunity for sexual relations ( were not able to remarry ) they were essentially considered to be virgins.
 
Pentecost.

Of all the festivals of the year they celebrated with especial solemnity “the night of the seventh Sabbath” (Pentecost), when they ate unleavened bread in place of the two loaves of leavened bread from the new wheat offered on Pentecost in the Temple. After this they spent the whole night until sunrise in offering up praises and in songs of thanksgiving sung in chorus by men and women; the song of Moses and Miriam at the Red Sea was thus sung. The singing itself was rendered according to the laws of musical art, which seems to have been borrowed from Egyptian temples, and was then transmitted to the Christian Church (see Conybeare, l.c. p. 313).

Whether these nocturnal celebrations took place every seventh week or only at Passover and Pentecost (and the Feast of Sukkot), as Conybeare thinks, is not made clear in Philo’s description. The probability is that the Passover night gave the first impulse to such celebration (see Wisdom xviii. 9); and the custom of rendering the song of the Red Sea chorally appears to have prompted its recitation every morning in the synagogal liturgy in a manner betraying an Essene tradition. How far back the celebration of the night preceding Shabu’ot by study and song until daybreak goes may be learned from the Zohar (Emor, iii. 93), where reference is made to the custom of “the ancient កasidim who spend the whole night in the study of the Law and thus adorn Israel as a bride to be joined anew to God, her bridegroom.”

In no way, however, does the Philonic description bear any trace of the Christian character attributed to it by GrÀtz and Lucius. See also Jew. Encyc. x. 8b, s.v. Philo JudÊus. K.

jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=185&letter=T

In Short, these women lived normal lives until they became Widows. Because of their lack of opportunity for sexual relations ( were not able to remarry ) they were essentially considered to be virgins.
 
What is important from the above article is,

The TherapeutÊ, differing in this respect from the Essenes, included women members. These, though advanced in years, were regarded as pure virgins on account of their lives of abstinence and chastity; and they seem to have been helpful in nursing and educating waifs and non-Jewish children that took refuge in such Essene communities (Philo, l.c. § 8).

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