Were you a Christian or BORN AGAIN AND NOW A CATHOLIC? If so please could you help me?

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pilgrimbiblesociety.org.uk/
gypsygospel.co.uk/
gypsy-gospel.blogspot.com/

have a look at these websites and tell me what you think.
This is what my fiance follows

God Bless
They appear to be Pentecostals–at least their “Elementary Teachings” pdf is taken from the AoG.

I also note that on their “Basic Beliefs” web page they do not mention “eternal security” and stress that we are saved from sin, not just hell. I thought that put them more in the Holiness/Pentecostal camp rather than the Baptist.

What does this mean for you? It means that they’re going to be more receptive to the Catholic understanding of holiness, if you can get them to understand that you really do believe in transformation by God’s grace and not just in “dead rituals” (which is probably what they think Catholic sacraments and liturgies are). They’re going to be very concerned with the fact that a lot of Catholics just “go through the motions” and don’t really (from their perspective, and maybe from the Catholic perspective too) “live the Christian life.” They are also going to stress personal experience even more than other evangelicals.

In Christ,

Edwin
 
If you just want to get a born-again type Christian to have some understanding of the differences in faith (rather than try to convince each other), I think they key thing to explain to them is that we Catholics do not believe the Bible is the only source of divine revelation.

Many Protestants believe that the Bible is the only source of Divine Revelation we have. They do LOTS of bible readings for this and use the Bible as the sole yardstick to determine God’s teachings for us.

We Catholics have TWO sources of Divine Revelation, BOTH EQUAL: Scripture and Tradition. To us Catholics the bible is a set of divinely inspired books that we use to learn about God and His relationship with us. We also look to Tradition, however, which is contained in the teachings of the Church that have been handed down since the time of the apostles. When we interpret the Bible we do it in a way consistent with Tradition and also interpret Tradition in a way that is consistent with the Bible. We do not believe they conflict: we use each as a guide post in interpreting the other.

The Protestant just has scripture as the only source of revelation in a vacuum.

So, if the goal is mutual understanding and respect, explaining that we accept Tradition as equal to scripture in authority, this can go a long way to explain differences to many protestants who are unaware of the high status we place on tradition and just don’t understand why we interpret scripture in this way or in that way. Learning that can help achieve understanding.

If your goal is to convert him, you’ll have your work cut out for you. I’d suggest prayer rather than argument and trying to answer his questions about the faith in a loving way that reflects Christ’s love for him and you.
 
Thanks everyone for your replies. You have gave me some very helpful replies.

My goal isn’t to convert him, but to fade this line between them and catholics. I’m trying to open his eyes to these pre-conceptions he has on our faith that have been branded into his mind.

I have asked him to attend Mass with me tomorrow but he just can’t seem to be able make himself go. I don’t know if its because he worries what his parents will think or if hes scared of realising that all the rumors and tales he has been told arent true!

We are getting married in that church in May so it would be nice if he just gives it a chance. I have been to one of his ‘church meetings’ and the only difference between theirs and my chuch is that mine is in a church; his a tent We read from the bible more; his do all singing with a a few testimonies to break it up. And we have the giving of the bread every mass he doesnt. And we have a lot of religious statues, paintings, stained glass windows and they dont have anything like that at all.

So who knows, I shall see if he comes tomorrow or not.

God Bless
 
I have some experience with this since I converted from evangelical Protestantism to Catholicism earlier this year. My wife of 35 years has not converted. Needless to say, this has led to some interesting discussions between us. She had many of the typical misunderstandings that are prevalent among evangelical/fundamentalist protestants concerning the Catholic faith.

A priest gave me some good advice about how to deal with a non-Catholic spouse or significant other: let your joy at being Catholic shine through, especially the joy we feel when we receive grace through attending Mass and receiving the Holy Eucharist. You won’t convert your fiance through apologetics, but by showing him that you (and the Catholic Church) have something special. Once he’s curious, he’ll want to know more and will hopefully be drawn in to looking at the Church and its teachings with an unbiased eye.

I’ve found the book “Catholicism for Dummies” to be a good resource when you need to explain Catholic doctrine to someone. It is easy to read and non-confrontational, so you can hand it to your fiance to read to clear up many of the typical misunderstandings Protestants have about Catholicism.
 
I am in the process of converting from Protestant to Catholic. There are TONS of resources out there for you to discuss with him. I would go through the library right here at catholic answers, they can answer just about any question he has.

The thing about the questions Protestants have is that none of them are NEW. They are the same questions that have always been around. The Catholic faith is very difficult to understand, and almost everything protestants are taught about Catholicism is wrong. If you can explain why you believe what you believe from scripture (since there’s almost no chance he will accept the authority of the church) he will come around, and may even convert. Everything Catholics believe is in the scripture. He should find great comfort in that.

One more thing, I know you didn’t ask for my advice, but I would make sure this issue is settled before you say “i do.” I have been married to a man for 20 years, and we are not well matched spiritually. Believe me, it matters, A LOT. I’m not saying that you cannot be well matched if he is P and you are C, I’m just saying you are going to become one flesh, so please, be fearless in examining your spiritual compatibility.
 
One cannot be on the defensive all the time when it comes to questions of faith. It is important to turn the tables and scrutinize the positions of critics as well. The Catholic Church is on center stage and under the spotlight because it is the true Church established by Christ. In the audience are the hecklers (non-Catholics). It’s important to put the hecklers under the spotlight to see how they fare. This is an effective way of neutralizing door-to-door missionaries as well. Their greatest tool is to expose what they view as holes in your religion. But what if you were to say: “I don’t really have a religious affiliation. Prove to me why your religion is the right one when there are thousands of denominations.” This completely destroys their psychological leverage.
 
I have been raised a Catholic and see that as my faith and I have recently got very involved in studying the Bible more than I have ever done before. I wont lie to you that (it is a blessing if you look at it) that the reason behind me sunddenly getting the urge to go to Mass every week and study and read the Bible like I have never done before is because the man I am marrying is a born again christian,
I haven’t read the rest of the thread but you know you have to marry in the Church, right? And you’ll have to meet with your Pastor and have pre-marriage classes. You need to do this about six months before you are planning a wedding of any kind. Now, my suggestion is: both of you go through RCIA this year at your Parish.

Like a lot of adult cradle Catholics, there is much about your faith you don’t know. There is everything he doesn’t. I’ve seen people do this in my own parish and it was very helpful to the couple. This way you are both in a positive controlled environment and all his questions can be directed at the RCIA leader who is trained to deal with them and also to help you understand more.

My other suggestion is: stop posting here and have him start.

Peace of Christ be with you both,

julia mae
 
‘call no man father’…did he mean literally or not. Now a born-again christian quoted this and said ‘why do you call a Preist Father when it clearly tells you NOT to do this?’ and ‘that is what Jesus meant’
No, he did not mean it literally. Look at these Bible verses,

Lk 16:24; Rom 4; 1 Cor 4:14-15; Acts 7:2; 1 Thess 2:11; 1 Jn 2:13-14
IS ANYONE HERE ORIGINALLY A CHRISTIAN
Catholic IS A TYPE of Christian. If you’re not Catholic, Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, or Assyrian, than you fall under the “Protestant” category. “Born Again Christians”, Baptists, Evangelicals, fall under the Protestant spectrum.
 
**IS ANYONE HERE ORIGINALLY A CHRISTIAN OR BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN OR ANY OTHER RELIGION WHO CHANGED **TO THE CATHOLIC FAITH??? IF SO COULD YOU PLEASE SHARE YOUR TESTIMONY
My journey to the Catholic Church has been interesting to say the least. I was infant baptized Lutheran Missouri Synod and had Catholic foster parents until the age of 2 or 3. When I was returned to my mom we started going to an Assemblies of God outfit, where I chose believer’s baptism at the age of 7 or 8. Over the years I also attended a Billy Graham crusade where I was told the sinner’s prayer garbage. I had trouble with “faith alone” as it didn’t seem to encourage holiness, but no one explained the truth to me.

Over the years my mother remarried to a fellow Assemblies of God convert and we drifted among the different denominations, generally non-liturgical. At the age of 17 I quit going to “church” which by that time was a charismatic non-denominational place. For a couple years I didn’t go anywhere except for occasional visits, and although I said I believed I was very skeptical of anyone who claimed to speak for God.

Eventually someone innocently asked why I didn’t go to church and I felt convicted. I started attending the local Methodist establishment and went until I had a disagreement with the pastor. Methodism is Arminian and I had swallowed Calvinism:( God rescued me from Calvinism later:)

In the meantime I had started research for a book I wanted to write on the book of Revelation. Revelation has hundreds of allusions both in and outside of the Bible and so for the first time in my life I read the entire Bible through(previously I had gravitated to certain sections). I also read the Deutero-canonicals. The epiphany came in James 2:24. A Protestant is taught to read into this verse and the surrounding passage that works are the evidence of salvation, but God revealed to me and I became painfully aware that this is not what James had written. Nothing in the context changed his statement. Works were not merely the evidence of salvation, but played a real and intrinsic role in salvation! This robbed me of any theological security I had imagined. Justification was the issue in the “reformation” and if Luther was wrong about it then the whole movement was a fraud. I began a serious and intense search for truth.

Rejecting Protestantism left me with two options: Orthodoxy or Rome. Following what I took as and believed were signs I sought out the Orthodox Church (I had not read Balaam’s story about seeking signs in Numbers 24). After attending for a while I started the path to joining. In the meantime my fasting and other habits had concerned my mom and step dad who had me placed in the psychiatric ward of the local hospital. This interrupted my path east and gave me time to have doubts regarding Orthodoxy’s teaching on the Papacy. After being medicated and “stabilized” I was transferred to a group home to recuperate. I ordered a few Church histories (notably Eusebius) and started looking into the papal question, which I had not previously done. I notifed the Orthodox priest of my uncertainty and he agreed with my decision to be sure. For a while I went without a Church.

Over time I transferred back to my parents and attended the local Catholic Church, though the first time I went I was dead emotionally and otherwise to religion. After a while I enrolled in RCIA and have been on the journey home. God has been with me every step of the way.

I converted to Rome on the Word of God. The Catholic Church is Bible based, make no mistake. Only Rome follows the Bible completely. Others have bits and pieces of the truth. So that’s my story. Hope it was good:)

-Joe

P.S. Although another has said it, I’ll second the notion. It is unwise to marry your fiance if in the end he doesn’t or won’t convert. Catholics must not be yoked with non-Catholics. God be with you.
 
Last week i went to 3times to his church meeting and i ended up going to the front to be saved by giving my heart to the lord again and the man who i went up to prayed for me. and for a few moments i felt better and it wasnt that i had converted as i still see myself as catholic it was just that i got up there out of my own accord and confessed my sins almost. everyone was happy and so was my fiance who got a bit emotional. and then i just got this burden of dread come over me like i had done something wrong. i told this to him and he said its because before i was in the devils hands as i was a practising catholic but not perfect and now i have repented im fresh again. and this made sense but i just dont know. im still going to go to catholic church but these people keep filling my mind with doubt and im questioning between faiths and all i want to do is choose the right path! but i dont know what it is. I want it to be the catholic way because this is all ive ever known and what all my family have been before me. But they point things out in the bible for e.g “unless one is born-again he will not enter the kingdom of heaven” and im stuck questioning everything i have ever beleived in again and i am sick of it.

The thing is what are they possibly doing wrong? they arent doing anything wrong they literally do what it says in the bible no more or no less.
Catholics have converted to born-agains and bring up ‘call no man father’ and ‘do not worship false idols’ as they have been told to kiss statues feet and that is worshipping false idols and strange objects but i have never done this as this is wrong. Do you do this?

i need advice please
 
they have been told to kiss statues feet and that is worshipping false idols and strange objects but i have never done this as this is wrong.
No it’s not, their showing their love to saints and God not the statue, some people kiss the photo of their dead relative. The kiss isn’t meant for the picture, but for the relative.

God bless :byzsoc:

David
 
rrusso,

You asked for some testimonies earlier so I will tell u my story. It might help or it might make things worse :o but here it is…

I was raised catholic but and went to catholic school but I went to a protestant college and had a conversion experience similar to what you just said happened to you. I gave my life over to Jesus. Then I proceeded to live the typical protestant life, studying the Bible and going to protestant churches with all that entailed. Since my catechism training was so poor as a catholic (even though I went to cath schools) it all seemed new to me and I learned a lot and grew closer to God. When my dad learned I’d bc protestant, he made me go talk to a priest and the priest sort of poo-poohed my experience.

Fast forward, as a young adult I joined a Baptist church and heard all the things you are hearing about how the catholic church was wrong. I bought it all as I was closer to Chirst than I’d ever been as a catholic. I even worked in a professional job at a non-denominational evangelical organization. I learned that non-denominational on paper wasn’t the same as in life, it really was protestant not catholic.

While working there I realized something was missing or wrong, just didn’t feel right to me. I ended up going to a catholic church and got involved in the catholic charismatic movement. I still did not know my catholic faith at all, but it helped me a lot to reconnect with the cath church and in a new way in the charismatic movement.

I met my hb there and we got married. But he was divorced and, given both of our very poor understanding of the cath church, we got married in a protestant church, not knowing what all it meant. After marriage, we continued going to the cath church, which was not a problem where we lived, as the church teachings were very watered down at that point in history. We baptized our kids catholic. We continued in cath church for a number of years but as the kids entered junior high, we started to fall away from the cath church.

Several years ago I realized suddenly my life was being lived for me and my family, not for God. So we made a commitment to an evangelical nondenominational church at that point. During those two years I grew increasingly uncomfortable with things I heard at the the church. They were much more open to catholicism than any other protestant church I’d ever been to (which was quite a few by this point). Every time previously it came to a point of joining a protestant church, I got to the final point and couldn’t do it. I couldn’t state that believing in Jesus was all it took…
 
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I would always back down at the point. So we had gone to different churches but never become registered members. At the evangelical church a few years ago, I remember at service one day that when we had the grape juice and oyster cracker, it just seemed so empty to me. I knew something was missing.

At the same time we were in a bible study from that church and I started to find myself defending the catholic belief that everything was not in the Bible. I found I wanted and needed a deeper meditative type prayer and at a deeper level, I found I believed that following Christ was more than reading the Bible. It almost seemed people were devoted to the Bible, not to God and I was disturbed by it.

So I went to a priest and sobbed out my whole life story. I wanted to come back to the catholic church but I knew now that my marriage would be a problem bc I had left the cath church to be married.

I have now been back to the cath church for 10 months. I had to re-teach myself everything I’d learned in the protestant faith. I had to look up all the issues they taught me (that you now are hearing about) that I found were really based on misconceptions, they did not understand the catholic faith.

Although my hb is also technically cath, his beliefs are at least half protestant. He never knew anything different as he never had any cath teaching at all. Even as two baptized caths, it causes probs for us as we do not have the same shared understanding (although he is open to the rosary, etc., he does not believe in the authority of the cath church).

There’s no moral to the story, just it’s my testimony which you asked for. Just the story of how confusing it can get if you go back and forth between religions. At least it was for me. Faith has always been important to me. When I got married outside cath church, my mom said to me, Be sure you know what you are doing. It (cath church) is important to you. I didn’t listen and now I am paying for it. I doubt this helped at all, but here it is…

Feel free to pm me if you want to talk in private. God bless you.
 
thankyou so much AnneTeresa that was a very interesting testimony.

i still see myself as a catholic and i am still going to get married in a catholic church.

but what just gets me is why are there so many denominations? we should all come together.

Here is something which someone told me:

**They told me that a born-again christian man went out preaching and he came across a catholic woman. She said to him, “no offence but i am not interested; i was born a catholic and i will die a catholic”. And the man said i was once a catholic, please hear me out. He wrote down on some paper several references to the bible and said “look up this scripture, take it to a priest and ask him why do catholics go against or do not beleive in these”. He said ‘if he can answer you or prove me wrong i promise i will go BACK to being a catholic and admit my wrong doings’. He gave the woman his phone number and she went to the priest. He never got a call as a week later she was at a born-again meeting wanting to be saved **

what could these bits of scripture be? the man is apparently going to send me a copy of these and a cd about them and i will post them on here for opinions.
 
rrusso,

We’ll look forward to seeing those verses. I guarantee you that there are no verses in the Bible, if read in context, that contradict the Catholic Church’s teaching.

Now that you’ve been to one of your fiance’s meetings, don’t you think he should come to Mass with you?

peace and grace,

dfinn
 
thankyou so much AnneTeresa that was a very interesting testimony.

i still see myself as a catholic and i am still going to get married in a catholic church.

but what just gets me is why are there so many denominations? we should all come together.

Here is something which someone told me:

**They told me that a born-again christian man went out preaching and he came across a catholic woman. She said to him, “no offence but i am not interested; i was born a catholic and i will die a catholic”. And the man said i was once a catholic, please hear me out. He wrote down on some paper several references to the bible and said “look up this scripture, take it to a priest and ask him why do catholics go against or do not beleive in these”. He said ‘if he can answer you or prove me wrong i promise i will go BACK to being a catholic and admit my wrong doings’. He gave the woman his phone number and she went to the priest. He never got a call as a week later she was at a born-again meeting wanting to be saved **

what could these bits of scripture be? the man is apparently going to send me a copy of these and a cd about them and i will post them on here for opinions.
rrusso,

This is just the sort of thing that will lead to confusion for you. Believe me, I know from my experience. If your fiance was fine with your beliefs as a catholic and wasn’t trying to convert you, it would be ok. Are you sure he respects your beliefs and won’t try to get you to change them to his? As a protestant, born-again christian, he may believe that you are not saved until you make that personal prayer to Jesus to save you. Are you ok with that?

I dated a serious born-again protestant when I was single and and I ended up believing all the things he and his church believed, even though there was a little nagging feeling inside about my catholicism.

Why are there so many denominations? I think mainly because different denominations disagreed with something that was in the catholic church and then broke off to start a new church. Then that new church had something they didn’t agree with and another one broke off. Over and over. Now, instead of focusing on shared beliefs (Christ) they argue their own points and it keeps them separated from other denominations.

If you can both respect each others’ beliefs and not try to change each other, it could work in a marriage. But there will still be issues.

For instance, I have a catholic friend who married a committed protestant. They respect each others’ beliefs but he is now a leader at his church. It was fine to go to both churches before they had children. But when the children came it became harder as life became busier. How do you raise the children catholic when the father is a leader in a protestant church? Well, the mother eventually ended up going to mass alone and then going to the other church to support her husband as well. The children end up being mostly protestant and grew up to go to a protestant college, find spouses, and marry in a protestant church. It is hard for the mother who truly believes in the true presence and the sacraments of the catholic church.
 
AnneTeresa;8268369I There’s no moral to the story said:
Hi Anne, thank you! That was beautiful and too nice of a prayer not to be answered.
 
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