Westernmost Eastern Catholic Church?

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By “Westernmost” I mean which Eastern Catholic Church is most like the the Roman or Latin Catholic Church?

Which Eastern Catholic Church is the most different?
 
By “Westernmost” I mean which Eastern Catholic Church is most like the the Roman or Latin Catholic Church?

Which Eastern Catholic Church is the most different?
Considering the ordinary form of the Mass, I think that the Maronite Catholic Church is pretty similar.

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You are only looking at externals and what some “Modernized/latinized” clergy members are doing with the Divine Liturgy. The Maronite Liturgy is not similar to the Roman Liturgy anymore then the Byzantine Liturgy is similar to the Roman Liturgy. If you look at texts and prayers as well as the theology behind them , then one would realize they are not like the Roman Liturgy at all.

The matter is, there is no “westernmost” eastern Catholic Church. There are some that are more latinized then others, but that is an abuse and wrong so it would be in accurate to equate that with “westernmost” or more similar to the Latin liturgy.
 
By “Westernmost” I mean which Eastern Catholic Church is most like the the Roman or Latin Catholic Church?

Which Eastern Catholic Church is the most different?
given the environmental and ritual approaches, the Maronite Quorbono is most similar to the Roman Mass of the Ordinary Form. Ad populem, three readings, variable consecrations, instrumental music, no iconostas.

But, by the same token, the Maronite Quorbono is of Syriac derivation, and is a mixture of parallel development and later latinization. It’s been lamented that latinization is so prevalent and ancient that removal of much of it would be a breach of tradition.

The Extraordinary Form? harder to pick, but again, the Maronites hold it, and the Armenians and Chaldeans are definitely in the running.

Theology? much harder to say… but quite likely to be the Coptic Church Sui Iuris, but I’m not certain. The Byzantine Churches are recovering their theology, most of which is encapsulated deeply within the Liturgical Propers.

Administratively, the understanding of the role of Bishops, Archbishops, and Patriarchs is the Coptic church, from what I’ve seen. Byzantines (8 of the Eastern churches!) seem to put far more power in the hands of the pastor than the Romans. Most of the Eastern Churches are also far more council-driven and concensus-seeking than the Roman hierarchy. Like the Romans, the Coptics (Oriental Orthodox and Catholic both) are noted for a standard of authoritarianism on par with Roman.

It varies highly on how one defines “alike” and what parameters one is looking at.

For Praxis, the Maronites. For Doxis, probably the Copts, but could be others.

But each is a unique flower from the Church of Sts. Peter, Paul, James, and Andrew, each growing in its own way, sometimes towards one another, sometimes in differing directions.
 
given the environmental and ritual approaches, the Maronite Quorbono is most similar to the Roman Mass of the Ordinary Form. Ad populem, three readings, variable consecrations, instrumental music, no iconostas.
Variable consecrations have always been the Tradition of the west syrian Churches going back much further then the Roman in this regard. So if anything the NO is maronitanized in this, and its not the other way around.
 
Variable consecrations have always been the Tradition of the west syrian Churches going back much further then the Roman in this regard. So if anything the NO is maronitanized in this, and its not the other way around.
Very true. I have Seely Begianni’s commentary on the liturgy and he lists like seventy some Syriac anaphoras. The Maronites have I think seven right now that are in print and in use. In past times it was much more.

Ad populum is not our tradition either. The liturgy should be said ad orientem.
 
I can’t get the quoting feature to work correctly. Formosus said “So if anything the NO is maronitanized in this, and its not the other way around.” Another Maronite custom the Pope is promoting is saying the words of consecration in the liturgical language of Latin in all vernacular Masses. The Maronites say the words of consecration in Aramaic for their vernacular Masses but it hasn’t been a part of the western custom before to my knowledge…Patricia
 
I can’t get the quoting feature to work correctly. Formosus said “So if anything the NO is maronitanized in this, and its not the other way around.” Another Maronite custom the Pope is promoting is saying the words of consecration in the liturgical language of Latin in all vernacular Masses. The Maronites say the words of consecration in Aramaic for their vernacular Masses but it hasn’t been a part of the western custom before to my knowledge…Patricia
The late 1970’s Dominican propers allowed for doing so. Fr. John Fearon often would say parts of the consecration in Latin, in an otherwise vernacular mass.
 
Before more recent times, the entire Maronite Qurbono was actually said Syriac. This has to do with Syriac being the former vernacular and then the latinized concept of saying the Liturgy in a language that is not the vernacular. So I am not sure if that would count as a maronitization. It is a sort of modern Maronite custom (though a good one at that). There is a Maronite religious order that says Divine Liturgy exclusivly in Syriac.
 
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