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I was baptised in the Ukranian Catholic Church when I was 16. No other baptism was ever done.My mom is a Protestant. My dad a confirmed Roman Catholic. Would I be considered to be a Ukranian Catholic ?
 
Jen929 said:
Canonically speaking, you’re Roman Catholic. Children follow the rite of the father.

I just wrote about my husband’s experience here: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=602751
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A baptized child is a member of the sui iuris Church to which his Catholic parent or both Catholic parents belong. If the child has two Catholic parents who belong to different sui iuris Churches the child belongs to the Church the parents agree on for the child to enter. If the parents can’t agree, then the child enters the Church of the father.

Sounds like unless there was some unusual arrangement made you, Ukrforever, would be canonically a Latin Rite Catholic no matter no matter the rite of the priest who baptized you, the baptism ceremony, the church building it happened in, etc. That doesn’t mean you can’t fulfill your Sunday Obligation with a Ukrainian Catholic liturgy every Sunday of course. If you want to officially change your membership to the Ukrainian Catholic Church I’d ask your pastor about how to start that process.
 
I don’t like to get into discussions like this because I don’t have any training or experience in canon law, but I am confidant that the two responses you received are incorrect. Anyone baptized at 14 or older chooses her own church affiliation by virtue of which church she is baptized into.

Latin Code Canon 111 Anyone to be baptized who has completed the fourteenth year of age can freely choose to be baptized in the Latin Church or in another Ritual Church sui iuris, and in this case the person belongs to that Church which is chosen.

Eastern Code Canon 30 Anyone to be baptized who has completed the fourteenth year of age can freely select any Church sui iuris in which he or she then is enrolled by virtue of baptism received in that same Church, with due regard for particular law established by the Apostolic See.
 
Ukrforever said:
I was baptised in the Ukranian Catholic Church when I was 16. No other baptism was ever done.My mom is a Protestant. My dad a confirmed Roman Catholic. Would I be considered to be a Ukranian Catholic ?
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Not enough information. You could be either depending on what you asked for at the time of your baptism.
CCEO Canon 30 Anyone to be baptized who has completed the fourteenth year of age can freely select any Church sui iuris in which he or she then is enrolled by virtue of baptism received in that same Church, with due regard for particular law established by the Apostolic See
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If at that time you made it known to the priest your desire to be Baptized in the Ukranian Catholic Church then he can have done so. You need to ask how it was recorded in your baptismal record where you were baptized.
 
Sorry, I somehow missed that you were 16 when you were baptized, or I forgot it by the time I wrote my response.
 
5Loaves said:
Not enough information. You could be either depending on what you asked for at the time of your baptism.

If at that time you made it known to the priest your desire to be Baptized in the Ukranian Catholic Church then he can have done so. You need to ask how it was recorded in your baptismal record where you were baptized.
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I agree, but I would word it differently. The assumption is that you desired to be baptized into the church you were baptized in. You don’t have to make it clear that you want to be baptized Ukrainian Catholic when you’re baptized in the Ukrainian Catholic Church, but you do need to be clear that you want to be baptized Roman if you’re baptized in the Ukrainian Church. There’s more nuance to it, but it seems unlikely to apply to an unbaptized 16 year old with access through her father and the culture at large to the Roman Church who chose to be baptized in the minority Ukrainian Church anyway.

Ukrforever, what was your understanding of the situation and your intention when you were baptized? Judging from your name, I assume you intended to belong to the Ukrainian Catholic community. 🙂
 
5Loaves said:
You need to ask how it was recorded in your baptismal record where you were baptized.
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I was going to write “It a simple thing to get a copy of your baptismal record” but from my experience trying to get a copy of my confirmation certificate and from a number of experiences with other people’s records both East and West, it’s not always that easy to find/get a proper record. Still, that is where Ukrforever needs to go- to his baptismal record which is at that UGCC where he were baptized. May he find that the priest there was a good record keeper. 🙂
 
I did make it clear that I wanted to be baptised Ukranian Catholic. I even at one point had my bi ritual roman catholic priest at the time agree to do it in his church. However, this fell through when he transfered the giving of sacrements onto another priest. To make a long story short various meetings were had in which he told me that I had to pick which rite I wanted to belong to. He advised me that the eastern rite was often the road less travelled, and that ive have issues with it. For example: if I wanted to have my wedding in a latin rite church, have a funeral in a latin rite church etc… He would need permission from the bishop- whos in Toronto every time. When they had a meeting with my eastern priest they said that I needed to choose. I chose the Ukranian Catholic rite. I like it. I also go to a latin rite church sometimes: for daily mass, next weekend we have a marian pilgramage happening at the local Slovak RC church. Im going to that with some of the members of my eastern rite church. The only time I can forsee having a problem is for my wedding: I want it in my local Slovak RC church-providing its still there.My family for generations have got married in that church. The churches history is such that years ago they used to have the eastern rite ceremony in that church. I do not believe that it will be much of an issue I just need my eastern rite priests okay: the Eparchy said to not bother the bishop with these things, just ask the priest. The latin priest okay: im sure ill get that, hes a young priest that belongs solely to the diocese I think he will be here for the long hall. Lastly, the local latin bishops okay, I dont think that will be an issue. What do think about my latin/eastern wedding? Is that unusual?
 
Yes in the Ukranian Catholic tradition it happens all at once
 
Yes I agree. However, I posted again about my hopes of having a bi ritual wedding please read
 
Ukrforever said:
Yes I agree. However, I posted again about my hopes of having a bi ritual wedding please read
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I can share an opinion. Are you interested in a Byzantine-Slavonic wedding in this Latin rite parish venue? … or is it that you want a ‘mixed rite’ wedding?

I believe that mixing rites is forbidden. It would be just as wrong (presumably) to mix a Syro-Malabar rite with the Coptic rite. It just isn’t supposed to be done (at least not these days, if ever). So my guess is you might be able to have a Byzantine-rite wedding in that parish church edifice, with a priest whom holds proper faculties to serve that rite. The Latin rite pastor could concelebrate (vested in his own rite), but the rubrics would then follow the Ruthenian recension, he would be ‘assisting’ so to say.

Of course, I am only guessing.

There is an important element that goes beyond simple crossing or mixing of rites here. In the UGCC the priest marries the couple to one other, and in the Latin rite the marriage is witnessed by the priest as they marry each other.
 
Ohhhh yes, mixing rites is forbidden. I asked and got the look of death from the Byz Cath priest (who had bi ritual faculties). :eek:
 
Hesychios said:
I can share an opinion. Are you interested in a Byzantine-Slavonic wedding in this Latin rite parish venue? … or is it that you want a ‘mixed rite’ wedding?

I believe that mixing rites is forbidden. It would be just as wrong (presumably) to mix a Syro-Malabar rite with the Coptic rite. It just isn’t supposed to be done (at least not these days, if ever). So my guess is you might be able to have a Byzantine-rite wedding in that parish church edifice, with a priest whom holds proper faculties to serve that rite. The Latin rite pastor could concelebrate (vested in his own rite), but the rubrics would then follow the Ruthenian recension, he would be ‘assisting’ so to say.

Of course, I am only guessing.

There is an important element that goes beyond simple crossing or mixing of rites here. In the UGCC the priest marries the couple to one other, and in the Latin rite the marriage is witnessed by the priest as they marry each other.
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My guess is that the ceremony would be RC since that’s the rite of the building and parish. The BC priest would be the guest, and if he was bi ritual, could concelebrate. I don’t know how it works if he’s not bi ritual…just sits in a pew, like any old guest?
 
Jen929 said:
My guess is that the ceremony would be RC since that’s the rite of the building and parish. The BC priest would be the guest, and if he was bi ritual, could concelebrate. I don’t know how it works if he’s not bi ritual…just sits in a pew, like any old guest?
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I have been to MANY Byzantine weddings held in Roman Churches. Any Catholic priest of any Rite can “concelebrate” at a wedding. I have been to RC weddings where Orthodox priests took part as well. It would be VERY RUDE to put a priest in a pew with the rest of the congregation.
 
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