What angels do we know by name?

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porthos11 said:
It still doesn’t answer the question as where we even got that name.

Lucifer means “light-bearer”, and the Church uses the word to refer to Jesus Christ himself. Where then did we ever get this name as a name for the devil?
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He wasn’t a “devil” until he rebelled against the Lord. (although some people still do associate the name Lucifer with evil).

I’m not sure I understand what you are asking.

Elizium23’s post above is excellent. I certainly recognize the parallels in the scripture mentioned.
(Isaiah 14:12-15)
 
Thanks for all the information on Angels. My CCD kids love it when I tell them the stories of our faith. A few weeks ago we were learning about the meanings of words and I told them that Lucifer meant light bearer. Then I told them the story…the look on their faces was priceless.😉
 
thistle said:
Not in the Catholic Church which does not recognise Uriel as an angel or archangel.
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This is untrue and completely dismissive of the tradition of 22 of the 23 particular churches in the Catholic Communion. (Or would that be 23 of the 24 Catholic Churches, now that the Pope has given sui juris status to the Eritrean Catholic Church, which celebrates St. Uriel on July 11?)
 
babochka said:
This is untrue and completely dismissive of the tradition of 22 of the 23 particular churches in the Catholic Communion. (Or would that be 23 of the 24 Catholic Churches, now that the Pope has given sui juris status to the Eritrean Catholic Church, which celebrates St. Uriel on July 11?)
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Okay. Let me be more specific. The Latin Church, which comprises by far the majority of the Catholic Church, does not recognise Uriel as an archangel or even an angel.
 
pianistclare said:
Lucifer was his name before he fell and took some angels with him for refusing to serve Jesus. His name changed as he changed from an angel of incredible beauty, intelligence and light to Satan.
Throughout Sacred Scripture, we find mention of Satan, the devil. The word Satan comes from the Hebrew word , meaning to oppose, to harass someone; so Satan would be the tempter, the one to make up trip and fall, the one to turn us from God. The word devil is derived from the Greek , meaning an accuser, a slanderer. Other synonyms for Satan in Sacred Scripture are the Evil One, Beelzebub, the Accuser, the Tempter, the Great Dragon and the Ancient Serpent. Even Lord of the Flies.

We believe that in the beginning, God created Satan as a good angel: (Lucifer) the Lateran Council IV (1215) stated, “The devil and the other demons were indeed created naturally good by God, but they became evil by their own doing.” These angels irrevocably chose through their free will to rebel against God and not to serve Him. For this rebellion, they were cast into hell. Sacred Scripture attests to this belief. Our Lord, speaking of the final judgment, said, “Then (the Son of Man) will say to those on His left, ‘Out of My sight, you condemned, into that everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels’” (Mt 25:41).

here’s another article:
tanbooks.com/doct/angels.htm
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This is so confusing, so many different perspectives. I’ve heard plenty of people “in the know” claim that Satan and Lucifer are two separate spirits and I’ve heard that they are the same. Malachi Martin, prolific author, adviser to two Popes, and exorcist of 30 years stated on a radio show that it is clear to him that they are two separate demons.

And yes, it was the fall of Lucifer which gave St Michael the name which we know him by. Lucifer said, “I will not serve, I will be like God.” To which the angel replied, “who is like unto God?” Translated to ancient Hebrew? Not sure of the language, that phrase comes out to Mikha’el (mee-cai-el), which is what we in turn used to get Michael.
 
Blessedwithfive said:
Thanks for all the information on Angels. My CCD kids love it when I tell them the stories of our faith. A few weeks ago we were learning about the meanings of words and I told them that Lucifer meant light bearer. Then I told them the story…the look on their faces was priceless.😉
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That is great! Children grasp deep things better than we think. I am grateful that my pastor did that for us Catechism classes in the church of my youth. He presented many deep things to us young children that helped me understand the foundation of the faith.
 
thistle said:
Okay. Let me be more specific. The Latin Church, which comprises by far the majority of the Catholic Church, does not recognise Uriel as an archangel or even an angel.
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But you’re still wrong. 😛

Would you say that the Latin Church does not recognize St. Maron or St. Charbel of the Maronites? Or Blessed Theodore Romzha or St. Theodore Tyro? Or more controversially, St. Gregory Palamas?

The Latin Church accepts and recognizes the entire liturgy, calendar and theological tradition of the other churches. Sort of like the full faith and credit clause of the US Constitution.

While the Latin church does not celebrate Uriel in any official way, the Latin Church does recognize and accept his existence,by name, in its acceptance of the liturgical calendars of other traditions.
 
Dorothy said:
He wasn’t a “devil” until he rebelled against the Lord. (although some people still do associate the name Lucifer with evil).

I’m not sure I understand what you are asking.

Elizium23’s post above is excellent. I certainly recognize the parallels in the scripture mentioned.
(Isaiah 14:12-15)
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I am not questioning the fact that Satan is a fallen angel. This is clearly supported.

What I am asking is this: “Where is it stated that Satan was named ‘Lucifer’ before his fall?”

Even if the Lord’s statement about Satan falling like lightning as a parallel to Isaiah 14:12 (a parallel which is tenuous at best), it still does not support the common belief that ‘Lucifer’ was once the devil’s name.

I’m just asking about the name, not the fact of the devil’s fall itself.
 
Dorothy said:
He wasn’t a “devil” until he rebelled against the Lord. (although some people still do associate the name Lucifer with evil).

I’m not sure I understand what you are asking.

Elizium23’s post above is excellent. I certainly recognize the parallels in the scripture mentioned.
(Isaiah 14:12-15)
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I think Porthos’ point is that nowhere in Scripture does it explicitly say “Lucifer = Satan” or “Satan was called Lucifer before his fall”.

Isaiah 14:12 is the only place in Scripture that uses the word for Lucifer (though most modern translations translate the word as “Day Star” or “Morning Star”). Though even there, the reference is viewed by most Scripture scholars as a satirical reference to the king of Babylon, not a reference to Satan.

It’s mainly starting with the writings of the Early Church Fathers where we see Lucifer used as a name for Satan prior to his fall. It’s not biblical in the same sense as we get the names for Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael.
 
Joe_5859 said:
I think Porthos’ point is that nowhere in Scripture does it explicitly say “Lucifer = Satan” or “Satan was called Lucifer before his fall”.

Isaiah 14:12 is the only place in Scripture that uses the word for Lucifer (though most modern translations translate the word as “Day Star” or “Morning Star”). Though even there, the reference is viewed by most Scripture scholars as a satirical reference to the king of Babylon, not a reference to Satan.

It’s mainly starting with the writings of the Early Church Fathers where we see Lucifer used as a name for Satan prior to his fall. It’s not biblical in the same sense as we get the names for Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael.
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Okay Porthos and Joe 5859, I understand what you are saying. The angel that fell was not named in Scripture as Lucifer.
 
Michael is mentioned in Jude 9:
When Michael the archangel, disputing with the devil, contended about the body of Moses, he durst not bring against him the judgment of railing speech, but said: The Lord command thee.

And this is just my own thing with no official approval, but I felt the name Lucifer was inspired by Luke 10.18:
And He said to them: I saw Satan like lightning falling from heaven.
Guess the fact that He was talking about a “light”-based thing connected it in my mind with Lucifer.
 
babochka said:
But you’re still wrong. 😛

Would you say that the Latin Church does not recognize St. Maron or St. Charbel of the Maronites? Or Blessed Theodore Romzha or St. Theodore Tyro? Or more controversially, St. Gregory Palamas?

The Latin Church accepts and recognizes the entire liturgy, calendar and theological tradition of the other churches. Sort of like the full faith and credit clause of the US Constitution.

While the Latin church does not celebrate Uriel in any official way, the Latin Church does recognize and accept his existence,by name, in its acceptance of the liturgical calendars of other traditions.
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The Latin Church does not recognise Uriel as an archangel or angel and Uriel is not in its liturgical calendar.
 
St_Redemption said:
And yes, it was the fall of Lucifer which gave St Michael the name which we know him by. Lucifer said, “I will not serve, I will be like God.” To which the angel replied, “who is like unto God?” Translated to ancient Hebrew? Not sure of the language, that phrase comes out to Mikha’el (mee-cai-el), which is what we in turn used to get Michael.
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Where does this information come from? Why does the Church not teach it?
 
thistle said:
Okay. Let me be more specific. The Latin Church, which comprises by far the majority of the Catholic Church, does not recognise Uriel as an archangel or even an angel.
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Even more specifically, it has suppressed the public cultus of Uriel.

The Latin Church made no actual statement regarding Uriel other than the public veneration of Uriel was not permitted and that it has no canonical knowledge of the name of the Angel of the Passover.

But the Church DOES recognized that the Angel of the Passover is truly an angel.
 
St_Redemption said:
My wife just asked me this question and I could only name two, St Michael and Gabriel. What are some of the others which are mentioned Biblically or through Church teaching/doctrine?
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I think there’s a bit of tradition from the Eastern Churches mixed in as well. There are a total of 7 [named] Archangels:

Sunday: St. Michael, Prince of the Heavenly Hosts
Monday: St. Gabriel, Special Messenger of God
Tuesday: St. Raphael, Healer and Guide for Christian Pilgrims
Wednesday: St. Uriel, Archangel of Justice
Thursday: St. Sealtiel, Archangel of Worship and Contemplation
Friday: St. Jhudiel, Bearer of God’s Merciful Love
Saturday: St. Barachiel, Guardian and Provider of the Children of God
 
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