What are examples of Sacred Tradition?

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What would be examples of Sacred Tradition NOT written down (explicit) in Scripture?
 
rcwitness said:
What would be examples of Sacred Tradition NOT written down (explicit) in Scripture?
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The Trinity. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are mentioned in Scripture, but the idea of God being triune is not explicitly stated.

Most of the Marian Dogmas.
 
Jesus descent into “Limbo” after his death on the Cross. It is alluded to in scripture, but is mostly from Tradition and the Apostles Creed.🙂
 
The form of the Mass is from Sacred Tradition. The Bible only tells us of the one meal that Jesus shared with his Apostles yet the way we carry it on, and the fact that we do at all, is a product of Sacred Tradition.
 
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What would be examples of Sacred Tradition NOT written down (explicit) in Scripture?
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The canon.

Aside from this, there’s the interpretation of Scripture. For example, St. Peter’s confession of faith in Matthew 16, coupled with Our Lord’s subsequent blessings. It is an aspect of Sacred Tradition that the full actualization of that passage is the Papacy.

Put another way: Dogmas tell us some of what belongs in Sacred Tradition, and they are likewise infallible interpretations of Scripture.

But the key is this: one cannot simply read Scripture and determine for himself the valid dogmas. In fact, the hermeneutic of reading Scripture with the Mind of the Church is another aspect of Sacred Tradition. Can one see this hemeneutic in Scripture? Yes, but not explicitly so.
 
The assumption of the Blessed Virgin and its place on the 15th of August.
 
I don’t think you can understand “Sacred Tradition” apart from the Magisterium, since the Magisterium is the agent for traditions to be identifed as “Sacred Tradition”. To put it another way, the Magisterium is the agent that has excluded the great majority of traditions from becoming “Sacred Tradition”.

Anyway, besides the earlier posters, I would say Sacred Tradition not only includes which books are in the canon, but the creation of the New Testament itself. It may seem obvious in hindsight, but there was nothing in the Old Testament that called for creation of a “New Testament”. We don’t have information that Christ called for a New Testament either.

In the early Church, there were writings circulating.

1). Some said the writings should be gathered into a “New Testament”, and that the older Hebrew writings should no longer be considered scripture.

2). Other Christians said **only **the Hebrew writings should be considered scripture, not these new “gospels” or “letters” etc.

3).A third group said the Hebrew writings should still be considered scripture, except sometimes superceded by New Testament, which should be considered scripture also.

None of these positions can be proven from scripture.

The Magisterium chose the third option, essentially adding a “New Testament” to Sacred Tradition. The Magisterium also, to some extent, created (identified) a Christian Old Testament. In a way this was a partly new creation, since it is read by Christians mostly different than by Jews. So the partly “new” Old Testament, as Scripture-for- Christians, became part of Christian Tradition, too. The Jews did not, and do not, recognize any group of writings as an “Old Testament”.

All this happened before the Magisterium decided on the canon. Then the canon became part of Christian tradition also.
 
  1. the consecrated bread and wine are the Body and Blood of Christ
  2. 73 books in the Bible and some of the additions to some of those
  3. Mary was a virgin before, during, and after the birth of Jesus
  4. the interpretation of scripture under the magisterium of the Church
  5. purgatory, which in varying forms is accepted by Judaism and Islam
  6. the authority of the pope and the bishops
  7. the sacraments
 
psalm90 said:
  1. the consecrated bread and wine are the Body and Blood of Christ
  2. 73 books in the Bible and some of the additions to some of those
  3. Mary was a virgin before, during, and after the birth of Jesus
  4. the interpretation of scripture under the magisterium of the Church
  5. purgatory, which in varying forms is accepted by Judaism and Islam
  6. the authority of the pope and the bishops
  7. the sacraments
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I would definitely 100% dispute that with number 1 - transubstantiation is biblical 100% and several of the others are also biblical
 
camkutz said:
I would definitely 100% dispute that with number 1 - transubstantiation is biblical 100% and several of the others are also biblical
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Well, are any Sacred Traditions not Biblical? Probably only a few have very little to no biblical support. Prayer to Saints, and Mary’s Assumption come to mind.
 
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I would definitely 100% dispute that with number 1 - transubstantiation is biblical 100% and several of the others are also biblical
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Thank you. I listed them as part of Sacred Tradition, because there are some people, like a lot of Protestants who dispute transubstantiation. It is Catholic Tradition to interpret the Biblical verses the way it does – First Class Sacred Tradition. It is generally Protestant “tradition” (which they seldom admit to having) which does not accept transubstantiation.

Catholics “hand this down” – Tradition.
Protestantants “don’t” hand this down – their interpretation and tradition.
 
camkutz said:
I would definitely 100% dispute that with number 1 - transubstantiation is biblical 100% and several of the others are also biblical
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Actually, nowhere does it say that the bread and wine changes into body/blood of Christ.

It is an interpretation of Christ’s words “This is my body” as well as other scriptures.

The interpretation of scripture, that comes from Christ and the Apostles, is part of Sacred Tradition.

Another beautiful example: The Septuagint was used by Christ and the Apostles.

Question: Was the messiah to be born of a virgin or a young woman? If you said “virgin” that’s the Septuagint translation. If you said “young woman” then you got the original Hebrew. 300 out of 360 OT quotes were from that Septuagint translation. This aided in the canon mentioned earlier which is also part of Sacred Tradition.
 
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What would be examples of Sacred Tradition NOT written down (explicit) in Scripture?
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Well, it’s tricky, because we can argue over what is or is not “in Scripture.” Scripture and Tradition, as Dei Verbum says, flow into and out of each other. There isn’t a clear boundary between them.

Prayer for the dead is certainly an example of a practice that is not clearly found in the NT (though of course it is in II Maccabees), but is clearly found in the very early Church, so that it’s quite reasonable to suppose that NT-era Christians did it (as Paul’s prayer for Onesiphorus may suggest). Infant baptism is another possibility. The sacrificial view of the priesthood and Eucharist is another.

Edwin
 
Contarini said:
Well, it’s tricky, because we can argue over what is or is not “in Scripture.” Scripture and Tradition, as Dei Verbum says, flow into and out of each other. There isn’t a clear boundary between them.

Prayer for the dead is certainly an example of a practice that is not clearly found in the NT (though of course it is in II Maccabees), but is clearly found in the very early Church, so that it’s quite reasonable to suppose that NT-era Christians did it (as Paul’s prayer for Onesiphorus may suggest). Infant baptism is another possibility. The sacrificial view of the priesthood and Eucharist is another.

Edwin
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Good points. Though I didn’t say, prayer for the dead, but prayer to the Saints. I occasionally ask for intercession, but my understanding of “devotion to the Saints” is more that we learn of their lives and try to emulate what they did and stood for. Not so much giving them praise.

But I agree that Sacred Traditions are more the things which relate to what can be found in Scripture. Such as how we practice and apply what we see in Scripture. And because it’s not as concrete as the Written Word, we rely on the Magisterium to Confirm them.
 
rcwitness said:
What would be examples of Sacred Tradition NOT written down (explicit) in Scripture?
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Leadership by ONE Man

Noah, Abram, Moses, David, Jacob, the Prophets, Jesus and his selection of Peter

The use of “priest” in the forgiveness of sins

Exodus 28:1
Take unto thee also Aaron thy brother with his sons, from among the children of Israel, that they may minister to me in the priest’ s office: Aaron, Nadab, and Abiu, Eleazar, and Ithamar.

Leviticus 5:16
And he shall make good the damage itself which he hath done, and shall add the fifth part besides, delivering it to the priest, who shall pray for him, offering the ram, and it shall be forgiven him.

John.20 Verses 19 to 23

[19] On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.” [20] When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. [21] Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” [22] And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. [23] If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.

Holy Day’s:

Passover. the Feast of Lights, the Day of Atonement ect.

Christmas, Easter, The Assumption and so on

Baptism

Genesis 17:11
And you shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin, that it may be for a sign of the covenant between me and you.

John.3: 5
[5] Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”

God Bless you

Patrick
 
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