WHat are "Friends"

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There are a few people on here that are part of ‘Friends’ and I was simply wondering what they were…

It seems to me that from what little i know of them, and my perception could be completely wrong, is that they tend to go completely on the idea that if you ‘honestly’ read scripture you will always be guided to truth by the Holy spirit…

That though their are congregations, that the ‘elder’ really isn’t needed per say since we can all teach our selves and or we use our ‘friends’ to help us guide our way to truth…

Is this understanding correct? (if it is not, i have no problems in admitting I am wrong…)

In Christ
 
There are a few people on here that are part of ‘Friends’ and I was simply wondering what they were…

It seems to me that from what little i know of them, and my perception could be completely wrong, is that they tend to go completely on the idea that if you ‘honestly’ read scripture you will always be guided to truth by the Holy spirit…

That though their are congregations, that the ‘elder’ really isn’t needed per say since we can all teach our selves and or we use our ‘friends’ to help us guide our way to truth…

Is this understanding correct? (if it is not, i have no problems in admitting I am wrong…)

In Christ
Members of the Society of Friends–i.e. “Quakers”. There are various groups oft hese. Some of them resemble Amish in their use of ‘plain clothes’ I am told. So far as I know, none of them still practice ‘plain speech’, the use of the singular “thee” and “thou” when addressing others. This was a distinctive back in the day when folks of aristocratic background expected to be addressed by the plural “you” but felt at liberty to address their social inferiors using the words “thee” and “thou”.

Many Quakers attend unprogrammed meetings. Some have programmed services not dissimilar from those in other Protestant churches. Other than this I don’t know much about them but here’s a link:

quaker.org/

Hope this helps!
 
“Friends” are a group of Christians which arose out of 16th century England. With the advent of the printing press many began reading the Bible for the first time. George Fox was one such Seeker.

He seached the scriptures trying to make sense of what true faith in Christ meant…his experience with God brought about the Society of Friends. He testified that when all his hopes were gone and all his trust in the ministers of his day was shattered he “heard a voice which said, there is One, even Christ Jesus that can speak to thy condition…and my heart did leap for joy.”

He came to understand that outward forms do not make a Christian, but an inward spiritual change wrought by God Himself upon the human heart. He met with others who also was trying to understand the things of God. As they joined together in prayer and worship, they experienced God as an immediate Presence among them…which in their experience joined them back to those first people who were called “Christians” as they experienced the Living Presence in their midst.

Friends read in John’s gospel “up till now, I have called you servants, now I call you friends.” “You are my friends if you do whatsoever I command you.” As early Friends called on others to “quake” in the fear of God…they were called “Quakers” in derision…but it soon was adopted as a “badge of honor” among “the people called Quakers”.

Friends believe that the scriptures are a living testimony to man’s search for God and God’s response to humanity. From Philidelphia Yearly Meeting…

“We do not, however, consider scriptures, whether Hebrew or Christian or those of other religious faiths, to be the final revelation of God’s nature and will. Rather, we believe in continuing revelation. This term emphasizes our ongoing communion with the Living God, our expanding sensitivity in our relationships with one another, and our growing knowledge of the universe.”

Considering the sacraments, also from PYM…

"The absence from Friends’ worship of the outward observance of the Lord’s Supper, water baptism, and other sacraments emphasizes the reality of inward experience. Friends are aware of the power of a true, inward baptism of the Holy Spirit; in meeting for worship at its best they know direct communion with God and fellowship with one another. These experiences make the outward rites seem unnecessary and, to some Friends, a hindrance to full attainment of the spiritual experiences which are symbolized.

While fully appreciative of the help that has come through the outward forms to many generations of Christians, Friends symbolize by their very lack of symbols the essentially inward nature of the sacraments. However, just as rituals and forms may become ends in themselves and thus diminished in spiritual power, so doctrinaire repudiation of form and ritual may become an end in itself, devoid of life.

Friends affirm the sacramental nature of the whole of life when it is under the leading of the Spirit. Any moment, any relationship, any object when so touched can serve as a sacrament. Insofar as we are faithful in our testimonies, our very lives may thus serve for others as the outward and visible evidence of inward and invisible communion."

Friends have been peace makers and no Friends group has ever denied the “Peace Testimony”…

“We utterly deny all outward wars and strife, and fightings with outward weapons, for any end, or under any pretense whatsoever; this is our testimony to the whole world… The Spirit of Christ, by which we are guided, is not changeable, so as once to command us from a thing as evil, and again to move us unto it; and we certainly know, and testify to the world, that the Spirit of Christ, which leads us into all truth, will never move us to fight and war against any man with outward weapons, neither for the Kingdom of Christ nor for the Kingdoms of this world… Therefore, we cannot learn war any more.”

Regarding the Light Within…

Also from PYM…"The Light Within is the fundamental and immediate experience for Friends. It is that which guides each of us in our everyday lives and brings us together as a community of faith. It is, most importantly, our direct and unmediated experience of the Divine.

Friends have used many different terms or phrases to designate the source and inner certainty of our faith—a faith which we have gained by direct experience. The Inward Light, the Way, the Truth and the Life, the Spirit of Truth, the Divine Principle, the Christ Within, the Seed, and the Inner Light are examples of such phrases. George Fox refers in his Journal to “that Inward Light, Spirit, and Grace by which all might know their salvation” and to “that Divine Spirit which would lead them into all truth.” He wrote: “There is one, even Christ Jesus, that can speak to thy condition” and encouraged Friends “to walk cheerfully over the world, answering that of God in every one.” Many Friends interpret “that of God” as another designation for the Light Within.

For Friends, the Light Within is not the same as the conscience or moral faculty. The conscience is a human faculty, which is conditioned by education and the cultural environment; it is not, therefore, an infallible guide to moral practice. It should nevertheless be attended to, for it is one of the faculties through which the Light shines. Friends are encouraged to test the leadings of conscience by seeking clearness, through direct communion in the meeting for worship, and through the clearness process. Such testing enhances and clarifies insight so that the conscience may be purged of misconceptions and become more truly obedient to the Light Within. When conscience has been transformed by experiencing the Light, it gives more reliable direction "
 
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There are different groups of Friends…“Evangelical Friends” tend to use the pastoral system…“programmed meetings”…other Friends are part of Friend’s United Meeting and have “unprogrammed” and “programmed”…then there are those “Conservative Friends” who still wear plain clothes and use “plain language”. There is also Friend’s General Conference and it’s affiliates. All Friends, regardless of their doctrinal difference work together in umbrella organizations such as American Friends Service Committee and Friends Committee For National Legislation.

Many Friends of every persuasion, mostly older Friends, but it is coming back into use among younger Friends, use “plain language” when speaking among ourselves or in Meeting. The practice of using “thee” instead of “you” came from 16th century England when among Friends it was believe all are equal in the sight of God. It was expected one to address one’s “betters” with the more formal “you” instead of the familiar “thee”…Friends addressed everyone the same…also Friends refused to use titles such as “your honor” or “your majesty” or “your grace”, instead chose to address one another as “Friend William” or “Friend Charles”…when addressing magistrates many Friends chose to address them simply as “Judge” instead of “your honor.”

Friends also refused to take oaths as it implied a “double standard of truth”, one could only be trusted if one was under oath. So “oaths of loyalty” and “oaths in court” were discouraged among Friends.

I attend an “unprogrammed Meeting” here in the Northwest. As I’ve stated before, my experience in worship and service among Friends has answered my deepest needs and longings in a profound way…I echo the words of George Fox…“There is One, even Christ Jesus that can speak to thy condition…and my heart did leap for joy.”
 
Thanks Publisher…

It’s a lot to read through, but I appreciate the information all the same…

In Christ
 
Thanks Publisher…

It’s a lot to read through, but I appreciate the information all the same…

In Christ
I started to give a very brief overview…but it got pretty long by the time I had enough “material” to answer in any way to provide at least a better understanding…shorter it would have been “cryptic” I think.
 
Hey Publisher,

This is great. Thank you so much for posting it.

When I lived in Salt Lake City, I would often become bored with my (Mormon) ward and go find someplace else to pray on sunday morning. I went once to a friends meeting that was held near my apartment, in the avenues neighborhood. I didn’t know what to expect and was surprised by the experience. The worshipers struck me then as something similar to what I imagine buddhist monks might do in meditation. Your article brings that experience into focus.

In any case, it was very moving and even I’m surprised that I remember so much of it even now.
 
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There are different groups of Friends…“Evangelical Friends” tend to use the pastoral system…“programmed meetings”…other Friends are part of Friend’s United Meeting and have “unprogrammed” and “programmed”…then there are those “Conservative Friends” who still wear plain clothes and use “plain language”. There is also Friend’s General Conference and it’s affiliates. All Friends, regardless of their doctrinal difference work together in umbrella organizations such as American Friends Service Committee and Friends Committee For National Legislation.

Many Friends of every persuasion, mostly older Friends, but it is coming back into use among younger Friends, use “plain language” when speaking among ourselves or in Meeting. The practice of using “thee” instead of “you” came from 16th century England when among Friends it was believe all are equal in the sight of God. It was expected one to address one’s “betters” with the more formal “you” instead of the familiar “thee”…Friends addressed everyone the same…also Friends refused to use titles such as “your honor” or “your majesty” or “your grace”, instead chose to address one another as “Friend William” or “Friend Charles”…when addressing magistrates many Friends chose to address them simply as “Judge” instead of “your honor.”

Friends also refused to take oaths as it implied a “double standard of truth”, one could only be trusted if one was under oath. So “oaths of loyalty” and “oaths in court” were discouraged among Friends.

I attend an “unprogrammed Meeting” here in the Northwest. As I’ve stated before, my experience in worship and service among Friends has answered my deepest needs and longings in a profound way…I echo the words of George Fox…“There is One, even Christ Jesus that can speak to thy condition…and my heart did leap for joy.”
Hey, this is great! 🙂 I’ve been thinking about starting a thread about the Friends for a few days now. Maybe God is trying to tell me something.

I started investigating the Friends a few weeks ago and ordered a couple of books from Amazon last night. I was raised Baptist but converted to Catholicism in 1990. But I’ve come to realize that there are too many things about RC that I don’t agree with the the legalities are driving me crazy. Worship seems to get lost along the way - very big on the letter of the law, but not so much on the spirit, which I feel is the most important part.

I don’t think Jesus meant this to be so difficult. He taught us to love God, love our neighbor and our enemy, do good to those who hurt us (non-violence), take care of the poor (in spirit and in material good), live simply, take up for the oppressed, be humble, pray, forgive and ask forgiveness. IMO you don’t need a stack of texts on canon law to do this. This teachings are not ambiguous in any way that I can see. Jesus gave us simply directions and man has turned it into a debate that can fill libraries. The Spirit works in us all, not just some hierarchy.Thus, I find myself in agreement with the Friends on every issue. 👍

I’m in Los Angeles and there are quite a few meetings in the area. The one I find most appealing from their internet page is one in Pasadena. I was thinking of going Sunday but since it’s Easter I wasn’t sure if it would be the best time to start. Publisher, what do you think? :confused:
 
Hey Publisher,

This is great. Thank you so much for posting it.

When I lived in Salt Lake City, I would often become bored with my (Mormon) ward and go find someplace else to pray on sunday morning. I went once to a friends meeting that was held near my apartment, in the avenues neighborhood. I didn’t know what to expect and was surprised by the experience. The worshipers struck me then as something similar to what I imagine buddhist monks might do in meditation. Your article brings that experience into focus.

In any case, it was very moving and even I’m surprised that I remember so much of it even now.
The first time I went to an unprogrammed Friend’s Meeting, I was hooked. I had never experienced anything like it before…the Presence of God was strong in this Gathered Meeting. That was some 30 odd years ago…and there are still times I am awed at the experience in Meeting for Worship.

I had a acquaintence of mine who attended with me once…we had just “Centered Down” when he leaned over and whispered…“When does the service start?”…I whispered back…“It started 15 minutes ago.” The “light” went on through his facial expression and he smiled.

An old Friend told of a similar experience…a visitor stood and asked…“When does the service begin?” The older Friend stood and said…“When worship is concluded, the service can then begin.”
 
Hey, this is great! 🙂 I’ve been thinking about starting a thread about the Friends for a few days now. Maybe God is trying to tell me something.

I started investigating the Friends a few weeks ago and ordered a couple of books from Amazon last night. I was raised Baptist but converted to Catholicism in 1990. But I’ve come to realize that there are too many things about RC that I don’t agree with the the legalities are driving me crazy. Worship seems to get lost along the way - very big on the letter of the law, but not so much on the spirit, which I feel is the most important part.

I don’t think Jesus meant this to be so difficult. He taught us to love God, love our neighbor and our enemy, do good to those who hurt us (non-violence), take care of the poor (in spirit and in material good), live simply, take up for the oppressed, be humble, pray, forgive and ask forgiveness. IMO you don’t need a stack of texts on canon law to do this. This teachings are not ambiguous in any way that I can see. Jesus gave us simply directions and man has turned it into a debate that can fill libraries. The Spirit works in us all, not just some hierarchy.Thus, I find myself in agreement with the Friends on every issue. 👍

I’m in Los Angeles and there are quite a few meetings in the area. The one I find most appealing from their internet page is one in Pasadena. I was thinking of going Sunday but since it’s Easter I wasn’t sure if it would be the best time to start. Publisher, what do you think? :confused:
I just want to mention one thing. Friends worship takes disipline…I’ve been in Meeting where it is as dry as bones…and I have been in Meeting where one could almost “hear” the Lord’s footsteps as He moved among us…those times vocal ministry was very profound and deep.

If you are planning on attending an unprogrammed Meeting, it will not be too much different than any other First Day. Easter occurs each day…He is risen daily in our hearts…Christmas occurs each day…He is born in us daily…traditionally Friends do not specifically celebrate the liturgical year…although with the convincement of Christians from other groups, some mention of Easter may be made…or may not…it is dependant on how the Spirit moves among the Gathered Meeting.

What two books did you order? A good book on spirituality is one of my all time favorites…“A Testament of Devotion” by Thomas R. Kelly…wonderful book.

You would be “among Friends” if you chose to attend Meeting this coming First Day.
 
Hi Publisher and thanks for your quick response. These are the books I just ordered, though they represent only the the beginning of my study on the subject, so all recommendations are appreciated.

“Listening to the Light: How to Bring Quaker Simplicity and Integrity Into Our Lives”, by Jim Pym

and

“Plain Living: A Quaker Path to Simplicity”, by Catherine Whitmire

Though I was had heard of the Friends, I didn’t really know much until I got some info from the American Friends Service Committee site for a project I was working on for school (I’m getting my Master’s in secondary ed) and I discovered how much I agreed with their views. I sort of kicked it around in the back of my mind for a while, then about 2 weeks ago (actually 2 weeks ago today), I started doing internet research and I’m ready to attend my first meeting. Please feel free to offer any advice, insights, etc., you feel moved to share (PM or email), they will be much appreciated. I’m so happy to have found a Friend on this forum! If you knew how much I’ve agnozied over my problems with the RC and just thinking about starting a thread here! And today here it is. 😃

Peace
 
Richard J. Foster is an Evangelical Friend who wrote “Celebration of Disipline” and “Freedom of Simplicity”…he also wrote “Prayer”…all great books.

J. Brent Bill has two excellent books…“Holy Silence” and “Mind the Light.”…I recommend both of those too.

God moves in each of us…He can be found and served no matter which religious community we belong to.
 
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