What are just reasons to prevent immigration?

[Robert_Sock]

The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. nationals may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist nationals abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person’s allegiance.

It is true that no one is required by law to speak English. But if an immigrant wants to make the best of the blessings of this country…it is to his advantage to learn the language as well as the customs and laws of this land and leave his old ways behind.

But due to income and time limitation, this is probably just a viable option for the immigrant’s children.

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[Charles12]

The Church has no official teaching on the particulars of immigration, regardless of what certain American bishops appear to claim.

Just reasons to prevent immigration may include the provision of social amenities, housing, healthcare and law and order.

I would also argue that an influx of immigrants of another religion is a danger to the social fabric of society.

 

[andrewstx]

However, the other side to that is we want to keep the criminals from Mexico out.

The answer is not to throw the border wide open but to ease the burden of visa procurement for those taking refuge in our square mileage.

ICXC NIKA.

And just wait while people are murdered every day? There has to be a better answer than that.

 

[GEddie]

And just wait while people are murdered every day? There has to be a better answer than that.

So throw the border open and allow the criminals to follow their victims into the USA? That isn’t a solution.

Not every problem has a simple solution, even in North America.

ICXC NIKA

 

[Ender]

I’m trying to do some investigating on this issue to gain clarity on the Church’s position and hope someone could provide some insight.

The church does not have “positions” if by that you mean to ask what specific proposals she supports or opposes.

I’ve quotes from the Catechism, Caritas In Veritate, and Pacem In Terris, but I found the language to be rather vague…

It isn’t that they are vague it is rather that they are guidelines, not line items. She says “Feed the hungry” but she does not specify whether free school lunches are a good or bad idea. These are decisions the individual must make and people of equally good will can take opposing sides on these types of decisions.

…when it comes to debating certain specific policies I’m uncertain of how to react given what seems to me to be a lack of specifics.

The church identifies objectives we are to work for and provides guidelines about what behaviors are acceptable, but within those parameters your obligation is simply to do what you think is best. You may support or oppose amnesty, deportation, building a fence, open borders, and all the rest as you choose. It is the reason for your choice that determines the morality of you action, not the choice itself.

I think the very fact that you question whether there can be valid reasons for preventing immigration highlights the problem: why would you not assume valid reasons exist? Unfortunately a great deal of the discussion of this issue is not really a discussion of immigration but merely the uncharitable assertion that those who support enforcing our current laws are somehow in violation of church teaching on the subject, which cannot be true for the simple reason that the church has no teaching regarding specific proposals.

It is good to look into church resources to find what she has said on this issue, but it is important to understand that you will not find anything identifying certain policies that must be supported or opposed. Those decisions are entirely yours to make.

Ender

 

[andrewstx]

So throw the border open and allow the criminals to follow their victims into the USA? That isn’t a solution.

Not every problem has a simple solution, even in North America.

ICXC NIKA

I very much doubt that narcotics traffickers from Mexico want to set up shop in the USA. On one hand they would have lots of competition that is already here. And on the other hand they will not get away with murdering people with impunity as they do south of the border. By the way I am not Mexican or Mexican American myself. I think that when Mexicans come here they should learn English and assimilate and not try and turn Texas into Mexico North.

On the other hand I think it is uncharitable to just allow Mexicans in Juarez to be murdered daily.

Perhaps the could just stay in El Paso and San Diego while their papers are being processed.

 

[Thorns]

I very much doubt that narcotics traffickers from Mexico want to set up shop in the USA. On one hand they would have lots of competition that is already here. And on the other hand they will not get away with murdering people with impunity as they do south of the border. By the way I am not Mexican or Mexican American myself. I think that when Mexicans come here they should learn English and assimilate and not try and turn Texas into Mexico North.

On the other hand I think it is uncharitable to just allow Mexicans in Juarez to be murdered daily.

Perhaps the could just stay in El Paso and San Diego while their papers are being processed.

Maybe the U.S. can step in to liberate the Mexican people from their corrupt goverent like they did in Libya, tried to do in Syria and Egypt?

Oh yea, theres no oil in Mexico…

 

[raaucoin]

I would also argue that an influx of immigrants of another religion is a danger to the social fabric of society.

YEP!! Look what happened when all those Catholics came to America

 

[HappyCatholic01]

YEP!! Look what happened when all those Catholics came to America

Their mas attendance dropped, and they voted for the current President. You can support immigration policies without relying on their religion to justify it, since statistically, their faith is not inspiring their voting records, en masse.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Maybe the U.S. can step in to liberate the Mexican people from their corrupt goverent like they did in Libya, tried to do in Syria and Egypt?

Oh yea, theres no oil in Mexico…

Just to avoid misunderstanding here, there is a great deal of oil in Mexico. Mexico is one of our major foreign suppliers.

 

[Thorns]

Just to avoid misunderstanding here, there is a great deal of oil in Mexico. Mexico is one of our major foreign suppliers.

Exactly so since we already get it from them, theres no reason to go over there to “help them”

 

[andrewstx]

So throw the border open and allow the criminals to follow their victims into the USA? That isn’t a solution.

Not every problem has a simple solution, even in North America.

ICXC NIKA

No just permit the murders that happen every day in Juarez. After all it’s the charitable thing to do…right?

Methinks that just possibly your charity does not extend to Mexican nationals? I too was raised in texas and I understand that way of thinking fully. I have know individuals who felt "my parish is being over run and taken over by foreign outsiders. This reminds me greatly of the “know nothing” party. But when my ancestors came from Ireland they were treated in the exact same way.

 

[GEddie]

No just permit the murders that happen every day in Juarez. After all it’s the charitable thing to do…right?

Methinks that just possibly your charity does not extend to Mexican nationals? I too was raised in texas and I understand that way of thinking fully. I have know individuals who felt "my parish is being over run and taken over by foreign outsiders. This reminds me greatly of the “know nothing” party. But when my ancestors came from Ireland they were treated in the exact same way.

Think twice before accusing me of stuff.

I live 4 miles from the border crossing; my folks followed the conquistadors to this forgotten frontier.

The only reason the killing has stayed south of the Grande (Bravo) is that we keep the killers OUT!

If we threw the frontier open that couldn’t happen.

ICXC NIKA.

 

[andrewstx]

Think twice before accusing me of stuff.

I live 4 miles from the border crossing; my folks followed the conquistadors to this forgotten frontier.

The only reason the killing has stayed south of the Grande (Bravo) is that we keep the killers OUT!

If we threw the frontier open that couldn’t happen.

ICXC NIKA.

I appologize for all of my misreadings of and misunderstandings of yourself GEddie. And Lord knows I made a lot of them. I mistook you as being a texass redneck bigot, who absolutely hates Hispanics. Boy was I wrong. Mea Culpa!

My people were Irish Catholics who came to texas in San Patricio county, and as Irish Catholics in Baptist country we had our own prejudice to deal with.

I wish we could start all over again. With a clean slate, so much bandwith wasted over a misunderstanding :sad_yes::crying:

 

[GEddie]

I appologize for all of my misreadings of and misunderstandings of yourself GEddie. And Lord knows I made a lot of them. I mistook you as being a texass redneck bigot, who absolutely hates Hispanics. Boy was I wrong. Mea Culpa!

My people were Irish Catholics who came to texas in San Patricio county, and as Irish Catholics in Baptist country we had our own prejudice to deal with.

I wish we could start all over again. With a clean slate, so much bandwith wasted over a misunderstanding :sad_yes::crying:

All is forgiven, Chico. Nothing to forgive, really.

Just another instance of thinking one knows another human being over an asomatic medium.

ICXC NIKA.

 

[Tigg]

But we need them. They are a necessity. Who else would do their line of work? They are extremely efficient at what they do, and so I would think this offsets the increased minimum wage.
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Years ago black American citizens who lived near or below the poverty line began to decry the vast number of [Mexican] immigrants because entire segments of industry were being taken over by them such as janitorial and maid services, food services, slaughter houses, etc. Jobs that blacks typically used to hold. And teenagers who used to work at McDonalds during the summers or as part time work to help pay their college tuition could no longer find those jobs. American construction workers have been laid off their jobs and get unemployment as immigrants take their place. Is this consequence and inability to feed one’s family part of the new ”social justice?”

 

[Seamus_L]

I just lost a bid to do maintainence work on a large property to illegals. I’d say that’s a pretty good reason. Meanwhile, I have two other people who haven’t paid me yet for services, but almost every night I can switch on the TV and hear how the economy is getting better all the time.