What are some areas of evidence for Christianity?

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FiveLinden said:
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Dan_Defender:
Atheism leads to hopelessness.
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I am full of hope
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As am I.

Humans are tribal and I detect a man in need of a tribe. So long as it means me no harm, nor forces me to live under its rules, I would cry off this particular discussion and just wish them well on their road to whatever brings them contentment.
 
Hume said:
Humans are tribal and I detect a man in need of a tribe.
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Exactly likened to sheep, Humans are followers…

And those who find the Good Shepherd - Jesus Messiah of all regardless of 'belief"

Find the Pearl of Great Worth.

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Hume said:
Humans are tribal and I detect a man in need of a tribe.
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It always fascinated me that Nietzsche seemed to look down on tribalism in others while admitting that he himself was, by nature, tribal.
 
I suppose you could say that every witness , every story. every writing , changing of the global calendar, every artifact,etc was a lie or made up.
 
JosephDColeman said:
Are you hopeful because of your atheism or in spite of it? If because of it, why so?
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Well my luck of belief in god(s) just is. It certainly means that I can’t dismiss risks like global warming like some who’ve faith in God do. I guess thetis less ‘optimistic’ but only in the sense that not believing I can fly is ‘less optimistic’ the a deluded person who attempts it from a high building. I am optimistic about things like the elimination of war, famine and childhood diseases; the increasing equality of mend women and the acceptance of multiculturalism and the rights of indigenous people. In general my optimism’s increased because of concrete progress made during a time in which religion has played a lesser and lesser part in decision-making. So I guess that is because of my atheism and not in spite of it.

Personally, when comparing my theoretical optimism were I to become a Catholic I think I would be more optimistic about what I now see as random harmful events because I would think that at the least God knew about them and cared. I would not be optimistic about eternal life. For me, because of the possibility of damnation and for others for the same reason. I could see no reason to look forward to heaven knowing that loved ones, or anyone, were in hell.
 
JosephDColeman said:
It always fascinated me that Nietzsche seemed to look down on tribalism in others while admitting that he himself was, by nature, tribal.
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And Nietzsche was so wrong on that and on other accounts as well.

In the world of Christ, Jesus,
the closest He and those who like Obedient Sheep come to any sense of ‘The Tribe’
is found in The Temple of God // The Communion of Saints // The Children of God
 
JosephDColeman said:
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Hume:
Humans are tribal and I detect a man in need of a tribe.
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It always fascinated me that Nietzsche seemed to look down on tribalism in others while admitting that he himself was, by nature, tribal.
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Paradoxical isn’t synonymous with “untrue” it seems 🙂
Example; There isn’t any real evidence that there’s a god. However, people and the societies they construct seem to need one (or more; depends on the religion).

I personally think the reason we’ve never seen intelligent life other than us despited the supposedly huge odds of it (Fermi’s Paradox) is because intelligent species ultimately destroy themselves. Technology outpaces control. I think religion is a source of that possibly needed control (self-control and otherwise - don’t do this or the divine cop punishes you forever).

So good on them, as far as I’m concerned - in the context of a separation of Church and state.
 
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Hume said:
There isn’t any real evidence that there’s a god. However, people and the societies they construct seem to need one (or more; depends on the religion).
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There is evidence for God based in logic and revelation. What other kind of evidence could there be for something metaphysical? What do you mean by “real” evidence?
 
JosephDColeman said:
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Hume:
There isn’t any real evidence that there’s a god. However, people and the societies they construct seem to need one (or more; depends on the religion).
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There is evidence for God based in logic and revelation. What other kind of evidence could there be for something metaphysical? What do you mean by “real” evidence?
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The “evidence” through arguments requires concession to axioms that empiricists won’t concede to.

“Real evidence” is something that can be recreated independently. In other words, I don’t have to take your word for it. I can observe it myself.

This is unrelated to the thread and you have the last word. If that nice atheist fellow wants to convert to Catholicism, as I said above, good on him as long as he doesn’t try to force his views on me or those I love. Last word is yours as I don’t want to hijack any more than I have.
 
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Sorry I wasn’t trying to argue. It’s just fun to talk about lol. But you’re right, we shouldn’t hijack the thread.
 
WinterSunrise said:
Anything else that’s significant?
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Just remember that to truly live a full and meaningful life, we have to make certain assumptions. One could easily spend one’s whole life examining arguments. Even if you knew all of the arguments, there could one day come a proof of some kind rendering all prior arguments invalid. Also, the truth of God doesn’t rest on the quality of proofs. There could be no proof for God, and he could still exist. Proof of God really only deals with man’s knowledge, not so much the actuality of the thing being proved.

The important thing is to dive into this faith with all your heart, and be amazed at how God changes you. Knowing God isn’t exterior…it is something you will only know if you experience it.
 
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I agree with you 100%, and would add the following…

If knowing and understanding everything about God is an entrance requirement for Heaven, then not many are going to make it. Even if you have a quadruple PhD in Theology / Physics / Math /etc. there will be a point where you’ve reached your personal limit of understanding. And that limit is still way short of knowing and understanding it all. Because God is totally beyond our understanding.

To go any further, it is a matter of faith. It’s that way for everybody.
 
Hume said:
I personally think the reason we’ve never seen intelligent life other than us despited the supposedly huge odds of it (Fermi’s Paradox) is because intelligent species ultimately destroy themselves. Technology outpaces control.
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Or maybe there is no other life in the universe. Maybe we DO live in the best of all possible worlds. No evidence to the contrary yet.
 
An argument that has helped me personally is what I call the argument from utility (I don’t know if it goes by another name):

Having a faith is more “useful” than not having one.

What that usefulness entails (e.g. purpose and framework in and for life, other adherents that can support you, upholding common fabric of society, etc.) is more complicated, but that’s the basic argument.

This argument is more for holding to a faith in general rather than Christianity, and it isn’t impervious as a result of its ultimate subjectivity, but I hope it helps.
 
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I’ve seen a lot of happy atheists so it is possible.
thistle said:
Nonsense. Please provide concrete evidence for this outrageous claim.
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Temporal happiness is pretty easy to obtain so it shpuld be no surprise that one who abandons Catholicism would still be able to enjoy them to a greater extant.
 
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