What are some of the main differences between the Novus Ordo and Eastern Catholic Divine Litrugies?

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I would love to attend various Eastern Catholic parishes one day and to participate in the Divine Liturgy services. Are there a lot of differences? 🤷
 
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Well I have only attended 1 eastern rite church( still attending) and I absolutely LOVE it!! For me, it blends the ancientness of the oldest liturgy of Constantinople and Judiasm~! I just returned from 3 years out of the church. I was really caught up in the Jewish Roots of the faith and from my experience in the Latin Rite, couldn’t see as much of the original jewishness of our faith, however in the Eastern, you don’t simply say certain prayers, but instead the whole Liturgy is sung! Oh it is so beautiful!! and Jewish!! I hold it in such high esteem! It would be VERY difficult to see any Liturgical abuses in this rite, I can see that! Communion is under both species, the priest actually makes the bread in a very sacred part of the Pre- Liturgy that we don’t see. I do still attend the Latin rite for daily Mass and it is also wonderful but to be able to breathe with BOTH lungs is SO rich!! If you get to attend and Eastern Rite church, be prepared… its humbling!
 
saint_wannabe said:
I would love to attend various Eastern Catholic parishes one day and to participate in the Divine Liturgy services. Are there a lot of differences?
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“Novus ordo” is not an accurate moniker for the Ordinary Form of the Mass/Pauline Mass. It’s actually a pejorative term in this day and age. Many consider “novus ordo” to be a slur today. I have not heard it used in a long time by anyone other than those who have a dislike for the Ordinary Form of the Mass.
 
mom28soon said:
Hi,
Well I have only attended 1 eastern rite church( still attending) and I absolutely LOVE it!! For me, it blends the ancientness of the oldest liturgy of Constantinople and Judiasm~! I just returned from 3 years out of the church. I was really caught up in the Jewish Roots of the faith and from my experience in the Latin Rite, couldn’t see as much of the original jewishness of our faith, however in the Eastern, you don’t simply say certain prayers, but instead the whole Liturgy is sung! Oh it is so beautiful!! and Jewish!! I hold it in such high esteem! It would be VERY difficult to see any Liturgical abuses in this rite, I can see that! Communion is under both species, the priest actually makes the bread in a very sacred part of the Pre- Liturgy that we don’t see. I do still attend the Latin rite for daily Mass and it is also wonderful but to be able to breathe with BOTH lungs is SO rich!! If you get to attend and Eastern Rite church, be prepared… its humbling!
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What Judaic aspects missing from the Mass do you see in the Divine Liturgy – and which Divine Liturgy?

The entire Divine Liturgy (depending on which one of course) is not sung. The readings are chanted and parts (like the profession of faith) are spoken.

The priest does not “make” the prosphora/bread. He prepares (cuts) it.
 
saint_wannabe said:
I would love to attend various Eastern Catholic parishes one day and to participate in the Divine Liturgy services. Are there a lot of differences? 🤷
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Substantially they are the same. However, in their form as well as, to a certain extent, their liturgical ideals, they are quite different. It is not possible to speak about “Divine Liturgy” collectively except in a vague way because the Eastern liturgical traditions are quite disparate, but the Eastern liturgical atmosphere in general is a rather different experience from Roman liturgy, in either of its forms.
 
YoungTradCath said:
Substantially they are the same. However, in their form as well as, to a certain extent, their liturgical ideals, they are quite different. It is not possible to speak about “Divine Liturgy” collectively except in a vague way because the Eastern liturgical traditions are quite disparate, but the Eastern liturgical atmosphere in general is a rather different experience from Roman liturgy, in either of its forms.
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I believe Divine Liturgy is a specific reference to the Byzantine service. Most rites have their own names for them.
 
Yeah, “Divine Liturgy” is a Byzantine thing. The others have other names: Kidasse (Ethiopian/Eritrean), Badrak (Armenian), Qurbana/Qurbono (Syriac churches).
 
Horacio said:
“Novus ordo” is not an accurate moniker for the Ordinary Form of the Mass/Pauline Mass. It’s actually a pejorative term in this day and age. Many consider “novus ordo” to be a slur today. I have not heard it used in a long time by anyone other than those who have a dislike for the Ordinary Form of the Mass.
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It means “New Order”, as in “New Order of the Mass”. It didn’t begin as a pejorative, and only became one because those who prefer the Latin Mass have spit it out hatefully. Just like the word “Uniate” is considered offensive, but it is really an accurate term in how to describe the churches that signed union with Rome.

It had a reasonable beginning as a term.
 
dzheremi said:
Yeah, “Divine Liturgy” is a Byzantine thing. The others have other names: Kidasse (Ethiopian/Eritrean), Badrak (Armenian), Qurbana/Qurbono (Syriac churches).
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That’s fascinating. Thanks! 🙂
 
WetCatechumen said:
It means “New Order”, as in “New Order of the Mass”. It didn’t begin as a pejorative, and only became one because those who prefer the Latin Mass have spit it out hatefully. Just like the word “Uniate” is considered offensive, but it is really an accurate term in how to describe the churches that signed union with Rome.

It had a reasonable beginning as a term.
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“Novus Ordo” was NEVER the name of the Mass of Saint Paul VI. It was an accurate adjective back when when the Pauline Mass was actually introduced. It is not today. The analogy would be an advertisement of NEW FORDS for 1970 back in 1970. Such an advertisement made sense in 1970. Not so much today and it in no way changed the name of the Ford Motor Company.

Pope Benedict XVI coined the terms “Ordinary Form of the Mass” and “Extraordinary Form of the Mass” specifically to avoid this sort of division. When I hear “novus ordo” – particularly here it’s clear the person is being negative.
 
Horacio said:
What Judaic aspects missing from the Mass do you see in the Divine Liturgy – and which Divine Liturgy?

The entire Divine Liturgy (depending on which one of course) is not sung. The readings are chanted and parts (like the profession of faith) are spoken.

The priest does not “make” the prosphora/bread. He prepares (cuts) it.
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I’ve never heard the creed spoken. We always sing the creed.
 
Horacio said:
“Novus Ordo” was NEVER the name of the Mass of Saint Paul VI. It was an accurate adjective back when when the Pauline Mass was actually introduced. It is not today. The analogy would be an advertisement of NEW FORDS for 1970 back in 1970. Such an advertisement made sense in 1970. Not so much today and it in no way changed the name of the Ford Motor Company.

Pope Benedict XVI coined the terms “Ordinary Form of the Mass” and “Extraordinary Form of the Mass” specifically to avoid this sort of division. When I hear “novus ordo” – particularly here it’s clear the person is being negative.
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Let’s not derail this thread into a discussion of what the West calls its Eucharistic Liturgy. But I wouldn’t say that Benedict intended for EF and OF to become titles, but served as descriptions of the forms. Though even then I don’t think his use of ordinary and extraordinary even fit the typical canonical uses of the terms but that is neither here nor there.

As to the OP:

As others have said, each Eastern/Oriental Catholic Church has its own particular variant of the Mass/DivineLiturgy/Badarak/Qurbono/etc Even among the Constantinopolitan Churches there are various recensions of the Byzantine Liturgy with particular variances .

As to the resemblance to the Novus Ordo, well that depends on the degree to which that Church has, as some have coined it, suffered from neo-latinization. There are some fairly obvious examples of this: extreme abbreviation and neutering of prayers, the reversal of the orientation of the altar, the introduction of non-native music, the re-ordering of liturgical acts to mimic the current Roman use, girl-altar-boys, etc. These aren’t “Latinizations” in its truest sense since many of these practices are not even native to the Latin Rite, but rather, are insidious corruptions of the liturgical form in the West that have crept in, to varying degrees, into the Eastern Churches.
 
I honestly don’t understand the intent of these threads. They are topically asking for information about a Divine Liturgy or what have you and they are substantially just Latins (1) defending the novus ordo and (2) other Latins telling them how “pretty” the liturgy is.

The implicit base of these questions also present some kind of attending a liturgy out of liturgical novelty, putting the fact that you’re praying with the Church for mercy and receiving our Lord as a second priority.
 
RyanBlack said:
I’ve never heard the creed spoken. We always sing the creed.
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Not all Eastern Catholics do. Romanian Catholics I believe recite both the Creed and the Our Father. (One thing I have learned is that not all Eastern Catholics are Ruthenian! 🙂 )
 
Nine_Two said:
I believe Divine Liturgy is a specific reference to the Byzantine service. Most rites have their own names for them.
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Actually it’s a specific reference to the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom. 🙂
 
theistgal said:
Actually it’s a specific reference to the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom. 🙂
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Or of St. Basil, or of St. James, the three liturgies you’ll find in Byzantine Churches (the last being quite rare). 😉
The analogy would be an advertisement of NEW FORDS for 1970 back in 1970. Such an advertisement made sense in 1970.
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In fairness when you’re talking about an organization that claims to be 2,000 years old, something created in living memory is still pretty new. 🙂
 
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saint_wannabe said:
I would love to attend various Eastern Catholic parishes one day and to participate in the Divine Liturgy services. Are there a lot of differences? 🤷
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theistgal said:
Not all Eastern Catholics do. Romanian Catholics I believe recite both the Creed and the Our Father. (One thing I have learned is that not all Eastern Catholics are Ruthenian! 🙂 )
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For us Syro Malabar Catholics, the entire Holy Qurbana is sung, with the liturgical songs and hymns. There is actually a distinguished tune the Syro Malabar vicars use that is in-sync with the ancient Syriac Qurbana.
 
Horacio said:
“Novus ordo” is not an accurate moniker for the Ordinary Form of the Mass/Pauline Mass. It’s actually a pejorative term in this day and age. Many consider “novus ordo” to be a slur today. I have not heard it used in a long time by anyone other than those who have a dislike for the Ordinary Form of the Mass.
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Sorry, I did not know that. I just assumed it was called “Novus Ordo” because that’s what other Catholics have told me.
 
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