What are some of the main reasons that people are attracted to the Protestant faith?

[Milasol]

To be honest I left the Church but was never attracted to protestanism.

I went to a free evangelical church during high school and they thought they were going to convert me, however I ran off scared. I saw there was no altar and that their communion was once every four months with crackers. I had a deep sense that there was something missing. Everyone was nice and their service was fun and emotional, however I didn’t feel it was Christianity.

I remained outside the Catholic Church because it was hard to understand and because I was a coward. I was also rebelling against my mother who would tell me I would go to hell all the time. She meant well but had a rudimentary knowledge of the faith.

After 20 years I just now begun to understand it. And I’m so glad. I can’t believe how I wasted so many years of my life when all along the truth was there.

I should have listened to my parents.

 

[PRmerger]

And yet do they still accept DR as a Bible translation for Catholics?

Sure.

Any Bible you pick is going to have translation errors.

Were you operating under the misapprehension that there’s a perfect translation out there?

If so, which one?

And who told you it’s the perfect one?

 

[PRmerger]

To be honest I left the Church but was never attracted to protestanism.

I went to a free evangelical church during high school and they thought they were going to convert me, however I ran off scared. I saw there was no altar and that their communion was once every four months with crackers. I had a deep sense that there was something missing. Everyone was nice and their service was fun and emotional, however I didn’t feel it was Christianity.

I remained outside the Catholic Church because it was hard to understand and because I was a coward. I was also rebelling against my mother who would tell me I would go to hell all the time. She meant well but had a rudimentary knowledge of the faith.

After 20 years I just now begun to understand it. And I’m so glad. I can’t believe how I wasted so many years of my life when all along the truth was there.

I should have listened to my parents.

:extrahappy::dancing::bounce:

 

[Sy_Noe]

Sure.

Any Bible you pick is going to have translation errors.

Were you operating under the misapprehension that there’s a perfect translation out there?

If so, which one?

And who told you it’s the perfect one?

Not talking about any Bible. In any case you seem unable to explain if DR is in error why hasn’t it been corrected? So I shall let you off the hook and move on. .

 

[PRmerger]

Not talking about any Bible. In any case you seem unable to explain if DR is in error why hasn’t it been corrected? So I shall let you off the hook and move on. .

I suspect it’s because the publishers don’t believe it’s an error.

And if my suspicions are correct, then it’s just another example of people creating a god after one’s own image, rather than conforming to God’s.

I mean, really, wouldn’t it be nice to say that we can all divorce and re-marry?

Why is the CC being a big meanie on this?

I can’t imagine a single reason why the Church would insist that divorce and re-marriage is adultery…except that she doesn’t feel she has the authority to edit the Word of God.

 

[PRmerger]

Also, why do you think the translators of the DR went with “fornication” instead of “illicit marriage” which is supposedly the correct translation?

Why do you think the inspired writer didn’t use moicheia, which is the actual Greek word for adultery, if that’s what Jesus actually meant?

 

[wumpiesmommy]

Easy. 1, they can take comfort in hearing the lie that you can say “Jesus come into my heart” and then live however you want and go to Heaven.
2, there’s no accountability. You’re free to sin and you don’t have to tell anyone or do anything about it.
3, because the world (of which you know who runs) hates Catholics as the world hated Jesus.
4, laziness.
5, freedom to justify your own interpretations and opinions by thwarting scripture.
6, lack of devotion. Too many rules, too much authority, too demanding is the Catholic faith to many.
7, Bad publicity.

 

[PRmerger]

Matthew 19:9
9 And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery.
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He is addressing the non adulterous spouse.

Also, why do you think the translators of the DR went with “fornication” instead of “illicit marriage” which is supposedly the correct translation?

In Matthew 19:9 Jesus said “And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery.” So what if your friends divorced due to their jerks committing such immorality, your church doesn’t give you the choice to rejoice and celebrate with them?

And let’s come clean, Protestant brethren, about Matthew 19:9.

Even if it’s true that there’s a loophole to the “thou shalt not divorce and re-marry”, we all know that Matthew 19:9, and all the other verses which forbid divorce and re-marriage, are ignored by almost all Protestant pastors.

It’s a rare Protestant pastor indeed who will say, “I am sorry, but Matthew 19:9 forbids me from officiating at your wedding, because your first marriage did not end with adultery.”

In fact, none of my friends who divorced and sought re-marriage in a Protestant church were ever turned away. Even if none of them committed adultery or were cuckholded.

So it’s a rather inutile and disingenuous point to say, “We appeal to Matthew 19:9” when you* really* don’t abide by Matthew 19:9.

 

[House_Harkonnen]

Why do you think the inspired writer didn’t use moicheia, which is the actual Greek word for adultery, if that’s what Jesus actually meant?

Easy. Because pornea is all sexual perversion, not just adultery.

 

[House_Harkonnen]

I have a question for you: can you imagine any other reason why the Church would stand her ground and not change her position on divorce, despite terrific pressure from all sides to do so, except that she says, “We can’t change what Christ said?”

I mean, really, what reason would she have to be so adamantine about this? What does it get her except grief and tons of folks church shopping for a church that says what they want it to say?

I know some people say that the Church is so stuck on its anti-birth control teaching because she wants to have “lots of little Catholics being born so she won’t go out of business.”

Even though that is gaga lala nonsense, at least there’s a little bit o’ logic in that.

But I can’t fathom what nefarious reasons could be posited for the CC to stick to her guns on this.

Can you?

Don’t know. Lots of errors in denominations persist for a long time.

I do know that pornea means sexual immorality, not “unlawful marriage”.

 

[House_Harkonnen]

Because they are fallible translators.

Has this grievous error in the DR been brought to the attention of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith?

 

[House_Harkonnen]

No, HH.

Whoever. It says: whoever.

So let’s put the husband as the referent in that verse. Let’s say he sleeps with his servant.

“And I say to you that the husband shall put away his wife, except if he cheats on her, and shall marry another, committeth adultery.”

So it is giving him permission to commit adultery, and then divorce his wife.

Or we can use the wife as the referent. Let’s say she sleeps with her servant.

“And I say to you that the wife shall put away her husband, except if she cheats on him, and shall marry another, commits adultery.”

That’s just :whacky:

That’s a weird interpretation of the verse. And I think, pretty obvious that’s not what Jesus meant.

Its clear that pornea means sexual immorality, not unlawful marriage.

 

[House_Harkonnen]

I think you have a greatly impoverished understanding about the charism of infallibility, as it applies to the Word of God.

Infallibility does not prevent men who are translators–some of them are not even ordained–from error.

Can you demonstrate from a reputable Greek dictionary, that “pornea” is accurately translated as “unlawful marriage”?

 

[Milasol]

Matthew 19:9
9 And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery.
*

He is addressing the non adulterous spouse.

Also, why do you think the translators of the DR went with “fornication” instead of “illicit marriage” which is supposedly the correct translation?

because it is the same thing. illicit marriage=fornication.

Mathew 19:9 (Vulgate) dico autem vobis quia quicumque dimiserit uxorem suam nisi ob fornicationem et aliam duxerit moechatur et qui dimissam duxerit moechatur

New Revised with footnote
And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another commits adultery.”[a]

Footnotes:

Matthew 19:9 Other ancient authorities read except on the ground of unchastity, causes her to commit adultery; others add at the end of the verse and he who marries a divorced woman commits adultery

New King James Bible with footnote
And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality,[a] and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”

Footnotes:

Matthew 19:9 Or fornication

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Some would try to find feathers on a fish.

 

[House_Harkonnen]

because it is the same thing. illicit marriage=fornication.

Mathew 19:9 (Vulgate) dico autem vobis quia quicumque dimiserit uxorem suam nisi ob fornicationem et aliam duxerit moechatur et qui dimissam duxerit moechatur

New Revised with footnote
And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another commits adultery.”[a]

Footnotes:

Matthew 19:9 Other ancient authorities read except on the ground of unchastity, causes her to commit adultery; others add at the end of the verse and he who marries a divorced woman commits adultery

New King James Bible with footnote
And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality,[a] and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”

Footnotes:

Matthew 19:9 Or fornication

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Some would try to find feathers on a fish.

Illicit marriage is not the same as fornication. The RCC doesn’t even teach that.

 

[Milasol]

Illicit marriage is not the same as fornication. The RCC doesn’t even teach that.

Why does the KJV has it?

 

[Milasol]

Illicit marriage is not the same as fornication. The RCC doesn’t even teach that.

And what is the issue? Is the issue with divorce?

Thou shall not commit adultery is the issue here?

Let me add the new American standard edition also has fornication in the footnote

9 And I say to you, whoever [a]divorces his wife, except for **immorality, and marries another woman [c]commits adultery[d].”

Footnotes:

Matthew 19:9 Or sends away
Matthew 19:9 Lit fornication**

 

[House_Harkonnen]

Why does the KJV has it?

The KJV along with the DR translate pornea here as fornication, not illicit marriage. Illicit marriage is a poor translation.

 

[Milasol]

And let’s come clean, Protestant brethren, about Matthew 19:9.

Even if it’s true that there’s a loophole to the “thou shalt not divorce and re-marry”, we all know that Matthew 19:9, and all the other verses which forbid divorce and re-marriage, are ignored by almost all Protestant pastors.

It’s a rare Protestant pastor indeed who will say, “I am sorry, but Matthew 19:9 forbids me from officiating at your wedding, because your first marriage did not end with adultery.”

In fact, none of my friends who divorced and sought re-marriage in a Protestant church were ever turned away. Even if none of them committed adultery or were cuckholded.

So it’s a rather inutile and disingenuous point to say, “We appeal to Matthew 19:9” when you* really* don’t abide by Matthew 19:9.

After reading the entire exchanged you had with HH and Sy, I can only say that the patience you have is admirable.

One word, when they know every single bible they read will have a word not translated correctly
Oh it’s hilarious… even when the same KJV, NRV, the NRSVCE, etc etc all say unchastity with fornication in the footnotes.

Bottom line is that they don’t know what else to invent to attack. Sad…

 

[RebeccaJ]

If this has been asked before, feel free to direct me to a previous thread. I’ve been poking around CAF for a few months now, but I’m still newer and still exploring all the different forums and topics and have likely missed recent discussions. I was raised non-denominational Christian, but kind of fell away from church during my 20s. I didn’t stop believing in God, but I felt something was lacking in my church experiences and no longer felt like I belonged there. I’ve lately been considering the Catholic faith and have a feeling I eventually will be, but I’m in the questioning phase right now.

My question is this: Kind of specifically for those ex-Catholic CAF posters (or anyone else familiar with people’s reasons for leaving the Catholic faith) - What are some of the main reasons that people leave the Catholic faith for Protestant faith?

Having come from a Protestant upbringing, I know why I became disenchanted with Protestantism, but Protestantism obviously must have draw for some as many people leave other faiths for it. I’m curious at to what that draw typically is.

Am I just “bored” by Protestantism because it’s what I grew up in, and that’s why I’m turning to Catholicism? If I had instead grown up Catholic, would I have eventually gotten bored of Catholicism and switched to Protestantism, just because it was different? Or could my convictions toward Catholicism be genuine?

I’m not a convert from Protestantism, but I did check out the local Episcopalian church for a while, before I converted to Catholicism. I’d go to Mass some weeks and go to the Episcopalian church on others. I came to a conclusion after a few months, and didn’t continue going to the Episcopalian church.

I suppose it could have gone the other way, but I found no compelling reason to be Episcopalian rather than Catholic.