What are The Differences between a chaste Heterosexual and a chaste Homosexual?

[Radyj]

Single chaste Hetero here. Don’t put your self in compromising situations, period. You judge what those are. Flee to God at temptation, don’t go looking for a “Chaste romantic” situation I know how wonderful it can feel to enjoy the body contact of someone, we’re going to watch a movie and cuddle. Down that path lies sin. Sin can be forgiven, we have all of us sinned but should avoid it in the first place.

I pray for you, please do the same for me. The problem with sexual sin is the fact that in can be quite enjoyable, like drugs, like alcohol and once you are addicted it becomes difficult to confess the same for hetro as well as homo.

Set your self up to win. The devil doesn’t like to mention that the game is for keeps.

Prayer to Saint Joseph for Purity

O GUARDIAN of Virgins and holy Father St. Joseph, into
whose faithful keeping were entrusted Christ Jesus, Innocence
Itself, and Mary, Virgin of virgins, I pray and beseech thee by these
dear pledges, Jesus and Mary, that, being preserved from all uncleanness,
I may with spotless mind, pure heart and chaste body,
ever serve Jesus and Mary most chastely all the days of my life.
Amen.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

Not saying they would want to, Dakota. But they can’t say they don’t have an alternative to a life of single chastity!

So they can be miserable alone or they can be miserable and probably make someone else miserable

Single chaste Hetero here. Don’t put your self in compromising situations, period. You judge what those are. **Flee to God at temptation, don’t go looking for a “Chaste romantic” situation I know how wonderful it can feel to enjoy the body contact of someone, we’re going to watch a movie and cuddle. ** Down that path lies sin. Sin can be forgiven, we have all of us sinned but should avoid it in the first place.

I pray for you, please do the same for me. The problem with sexual sin is the fact that in can be quite enjoyable, like drugs, like alcohol and once you are addicted it becomes difficult to confess the same for hetro as well as homo.

Set your self up to win. The devil doesn’t like to mention that the game is for keeps.

Prayer to Saint Joseph for Purity

O GUARDIAN of Virgins and holy Father St. Joseph, into
whose faithful keeping were entrusted Christ Jesus, Innocence
Itself, and Mary, Virgin of virgins, I pray and beseech thee by these
dear pledges, Jesus and Mary, that, being preserved from all uncleanness,
I may with spotless mind, pure heart and chaste body,
ever serve Jesus and Mary most chastely all the days of my life.
Amen.

Then the Middle Ages in England must have been quite gay indeed in all the senses considering it was very common for unmarried men to share beds (it’s when we get the term bedfellow from).

 

[Jerry-Jet]

I have two questions.

Was Jesus heterosexual?

If Jesus was heterosexual should his heterosexuality be emulated by His followers?

 

[epan]

I have two questions.

Was Jesus heterosexual?

If Jesus was heterosexual should his heterosexuality be emulated by His followers?

I doubt that Jesus was concerned with sexual relations with anyone. Why would he be?

 

[Jerry-Jet]

I maintain that it is possible to be heterosexual and yet still not be concerned with having sex with anyone.

Is that true or false?

Being celibate in my opinion does not equate to aesexuality or non sexuality.

All humans in my opinion including Jesus are sexual beings whether they are concerned with having sex with anyone. Adam and Eve before the fall were fully sexual beings even though they were naked and not ashamed.

We do know that herosexuality is ORDERED and intended by God for all humans.

Homosexulaity as the Catholic church is DISORDERED.

Why shouldn’t any person try to overcome what is DISORDERED and emulate what in Christ is ORDERED?

I do not believe that God MADE people have homosexual inclinations anymore than I believe that God made us have inclination towards sin.

In my opinion sexuality is a learned behavior that is hot wired into the brain once learned as much as knowledge of the alphabet is hotwired into the brain once learned.

I do not deny that homosexuality is hotwired into the brain–what I DO SAY is that it is possible to LEARN another language.

My native tongue may be English but it is possible for me to LEARN Latin.

I say that the same thing can be said about sexuality.

It may be difficult to learn–just as Latin is for some people–but it is not impossible.

I think that saying it is OK for Same Sex Attracted people to be the way they are and that they shouldn’t TRY to learn the language of heterosexuality is a Cop out.

Homosexuality isn’t genetic like the color of one’s eyes.

It may be hotwired but it is chosen.

Homosexuals should choose heterosexuality.

Christ chose heterosexuality. Shouldn’t we choose like He did–and yes you can CHOOSE heterosexuality and still be celibate like Jesus was.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

I maintain that it is possible to be heterosexual and yet still not be concerned with having sex with anyone.

Is that true or false?

Being celibate in my opinion does not equate to aesexuality or non sexuality.

All humans in my opinion including Jesus are sexual beings whether they are concerned with having sex with anyone. Adam and Eve before the fall were fully sexual beings even though they were naked and not ashamed.

We do know that herosexuality is ORDERED and intended by God for all humans.

Homosexulaity as the Catholic church is DISORDERED.

Why shouldn’t any person try to overcome what is DISORDERED and emulate what in Christ is ORDERED?

I do not believe that God MADE people have homosexual inclinations anymore than I believe that God made us have inclination towards sin.

In my opinion sexuality is a learned behavior that is hot wired into the brain once learned as much as knowledge of the alphabet is hotwired into the brain once learned.

I do not deny that homosexuality is hotwired into the brain–what I DO SAY is that it is possible to LEARN another language.

My native tongue may be English but it is possible for me to LEARN Latin.

I say that the same thing can be said about sexuality.

It may be difficult to learn–just as Latin is for some people–but it is not impossible.

I think that saying it is OK for Same Sex Attracted people to be the way they are and that they shouldn’t TRY to learn the language of heterosexuality is a Cop out.

Homosexuality isn’t genetic like the color of one’s eyes.

It may be hotwired but it is chosen.

Homosexuals should choose heterosexuality.

Christ chose heterosexuality. Shouldn’t we choose like He did–and yes you can CHOOSE heterosexuality and still be celibate like Jesus was.

You’re aware the Church doesn’t say it is chosen right?

To use your metaphor people who try to become heterosexual have as much success as learning to speak dog, some have apparently done it successfully, but nearly all fail or succeed at faking it for a while and then give up the façade.

Eye colour can change…

 

[Radyj]

So they can be miserable alone or they can be miserable and probably make someone else miserable

Then the Middle Ages in England must have been quite gay indeed in all the senses considering it was very common for unmarried men to share beds (it’s when we get the term bedfellow from).

I said nothing about being miserable, or alone. I feel that I have been blessed with bachelorhood at an age when most of my peers are trying to figure out who gets the kids on what weekends. All I had said what avoid temptation. I do not allow myself to be alone in my residence with an attractive female because sinful situations may arise. Rather I socialize with groups of people. Yes the female is still attractive but I am much less likely to end up in a situation that might compromise my soul.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

I said nothing about being miserable, or alone. I feel that I have been blessed with bachelorhood at an age when most of my peers are trying to figure out who gets the kids on what weekends. All I had said what avoid temptation. I do not allow myself to be alone in my residence with an attractive female because sinful situations may arise. Rather I socialize with groups of people. Yes the female is still attractive but I am much less likely to end up in a situation that might compromise my soul. That being said, troll away Dakota Roberts

How am I trolling?

 

[Robertanthony]

I said nothing about being miserable, or alone. I feel that I have been blessed with bachelorhood at an age when most of my peers are trying to figure out who gets the kids on what weekends. All I had said what avoid temptation. I do not allow myself to be alone in my residence with an attractive female because sinful situations may arise. Rather I socialize with groups of people. Yes the female is still attractive but I am much less likely to end up in a situation that might compromise my soul. That being said, troll away Dakota Roberts

He’s been here for nearly 2 years, has more than 2000 posts under his belt, don’t you think if he were a troll that somebody would have found out and called him out some time ago? Now, again, pray tell, how is he trolling?

 

[Jerry-Jet]

I do not believe that learning Latin would be as difficult as learning dog or for that matter kicking a serious long held drug addiction.

Learning heterosexuality like learning Latin…Hard? Maybe. Hard as learning dog language? I think not. Ever seen the dog whisperer? He seems to know the language of dogs so even learning dog is not impossible!

As far whether or not it is chosen look at it this way…either God intended it or He allowed it.

God doesn’t intend anything that is disordered.

God doesn’t intend birth defects.

They are not chosen.

Does that mean that no attempt should be made to reverse the disordered conditions they cause?

No!

It would be wrong to attempt to reverse genetic conditions that could not be reversed.

It would be right to reverse genetic conditions that could be reversed.

EVEN if homosexuality were genetic it would be right to reverse its disordered condition if that were indeed possible.

It is possible.

The attempt to REVERSE it should be made.

Look at it this way–what is more probable scenario in which a Catholic with same sex attraction would avoid sin which is what every Catholic should try to do:

Attempt to learn heterosexuality and be chaste with the Holy Spirit’s help and with the help of the sacraments?

Or be resigned to the presupposed notion that one will forever be same sex attracted and attempt to be chaste with the Holy Spirit’s help and with the help of the sacraments?

In other swords is it easier to be chaste resigned to the presupposed notion that one is disordered and that disorder can not change?

Or is it easier to be chaste if one believes that that their disorder can be changed and that they can learn to be heterosexual?

Not to mention all the people who think or are same sex attracted and are married to the opposite sex?

Don’t they have an obligation to learn to be heterosexual for their spouses?

 

[Ben_Quincy]

Discuss the topic, not each other.

 

[Sarcelle]

I do not believe that God MADE people have homosexual inclinations anymore than I believe that God made us have inclination towards sin.

In my opinion sexuality is a learned behavior that is hot wired into the brain once learned as much as knowledge of the alphabet is hotwired into the brain once learned.

I think that saying it is OK for Same Sex Attracted people to be the way they are and that they shouldn’t TRY to learn the language of heterosexuality is a Cop out.

Homosexuality isn’t genetic like the color of one’s eyes.

It may be hotwired but it is chosen.

Homosexuals should choose heterosexuality.

Christ chose heterosexuality. Shouldn’t we choose like He did–and yes you can CHOOSE heterosexuality and still be celibate like Jesus was.

That is your opinion.

There is nothing in Church teaching that says people with SSA have to learn to be heterosexual.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

I do not believe that learning Latin would be as difficult as learning dog or for that matter kicking a serious long held drug addiction.

Learning heterosexuality like learning Latin…Hard? Maybe. Hard as learning dog language? I think not. Ever seen the dog whisperer? He seems to know the language of dogs so even learning dog is not impossible!

As far whether or not it is chosen look at it this way…either God intended it or He allowed it.

God doesn’t intend anything that is disordered.

God doesn’t intend birth defects.

They are not chosen.

Does that mean that no attempt should be made to reverse the disordered conditions they cause?

No!

It would be wrong to attempt to reverse genetic conditions that could not be reversed.

It would be right to reverse genetic conditions that could be reversed.

EVEN if homosexuality were genetic it would be right to reverse its disordered condition if that were indeed possible.

It is possible.

The attempt to REVERSE it should be made.

Look at it this way–what is more probable scenario in which a Catholic with same sex attraction would avoid sin which is what every Catholic should try to do:

Attempt to learn heterosexuality and be chaste with the Holy Spirit’s help and with the help of the sacraments?

Or be resigned to the presupposed notion that one will forever be same sex attracted and attempt to be chaste with the Holy Spirit’s help and with the help of the sacraments?

In other swords is it easier to be chaste resigned to the presupposed notion that one is disordered and that disorder can not change?

Or is it easier to be chaste if one believes that that their disorder can be changed and that they can learn to be heterosexual?

Not to mention all the people who think or are same sex attracted and are married to the opposite sex?

Don’t they have an obligation to learn to be heterosexual for their spouses?

Latin is not easy, but it isn’t very hard.

Learning dog appears possible, but is practically impossible. Have you or someone you know know well ever tried to become heterosexual from being homosexual? You really seem to underestimate the difficulty of it.

When the cost is higher than the gain it is rather unreasonable to ask people to do it.

How charming a false dichotomy.

What obligation?

That is your opinion.

There is nothing in Church teaching that says people with SSA have to learn to be heterosexual.

It doesn’t even hint at it.

 

[Jerry-Jet]

No you don’t have to learn the language of heterosexuality–you can bet the everlasting fate of your soul–heaven or hell–on the presupposition that it would be easier to avoid sexual mortal sin believing that there was nothing you could do about Same Sex Attraction–and attempting to live a chaste life while doing nothing about it

OR

you could attempt to try learn the language of heterosexuality as an aide to being able to live a chaste life–whether single or married.

If you did learn the language of heterosexuality you could of course still mortally sexually sin as a heterosexual–but something tells me that since you would be using that learned second sexual language(heterosexuality) instead of your first sexual language of homosexuality involved in same sex attraction–that you would certainly be less likely to mortally sexually sin DUE to Same Sex Attraction

AND

Since heterosexuality would be a second language for you you would have less chance of falling into mortal heterosexual sexual sin because you wouldn’t be all together there like you would be if you were using your first sexual language!

Risk Reward ratio: Heaven or hell!

Would the effort NOT be worth it?!

I think what people have to understand is that one can be heterosexual and stil be chaste or celibate.

I think what people DON’T want to get around is the FACT that homosexuality is DISORDERED. Same Sex Attraction is DISORDERED.

Is it theoretically possible to be same sex attracted yet remain chaste? Yes.

Would it be easier to be chaste if one tried to learn the language of heteroxexuality and remained chaste?

Yes! Why? Because the very USE of the second language of heterosexuality would mean that the other language–homosexuality–would not be used.

It would be easier because by using the second language–heterosexuality–one would be doing what is ORDERED and not DISORDERED and in the process would be AVOIDING a near ocasion of sin.

The reason many don’t like what I say is the FACT that in many–in their heart of hearts–they don’t want to admit the teaching of the Catholic Church that homosexuality is DISORDERED!

They want to hold on to the disordered condition of Same Sex Attraction because yes–they may not have chosen it and may not be culpable for initially learning that language–yet they want to be chaste which is good.

What I say is that by not learning a new language of heterosexuality–not trying to become ORDERED–they are trying to be chaste while LOOKING back!

If they really want to be chaste they should also try to be ORDERED!

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

No you don’t have to learn the language of heterosexuality–you can bet the everlasting fate of your soul–heaven or hell–on the presupposition that it would be easier to avoid sexual mortal sin believing that there was nothing you could do about Same Sex Attraction–and attempting to live a chaste life while doing nothing about it

OR

you could attempt to try learn the language of heterosexuality as an aide to being able to live a chaste life–whether single or married.

If you did learn the language of heterosexuality you could of course still mortally sexually sin as a heterosexual–but something tells me that since you would be using that learned second sexual language(heterosexuality) instead of your first sexual language of homosexuality involved in same sex attraction–that you would certainly be less likely to mortally sexually sin DUE to Same Sex Attraction

AND

Since heterosexuality would be a second language for you you would have less chance of falling into mortal heterosexual sexual sin because you wouldn’t be all together there like you would be if you were using your first sexual language!

Risk Reward ratio: Heaven or hell!

Would the effort NOT be worth it?!

I think what people have to understand is that one can be heterosexual and stil be chaste or celibate.

I think what people DON’T want to get around is the FACT that homosexuality is DISORDERED. Same Sex Attraction is DISORDERED.

Is it theoretically possible to be same sex attracted yet remain chaste? Yes.

Would it be easier to be chaste if one tried to learn the language of heteroxexuality and remained chaste?

Yes! Why? Because the very USE of the second language of heterosexuality would mean that the other language–homosexuality–would not be used.

It would be easier because by using the second language–heterosexuality–one would be doing what is ORDERED and not DISORDERED and in the process would be AVOIDING a near ocasion of sin.

The reason many don’t like what I say is the FACT that in many–in their heart of hearts–they don’t want to admit the teaching of the Catholic Church that homosexuality is DISORDERED!

They want to hold on to the disordered condition of Same Sex Attraction because yes–they may not have chosen it and may not be culpable for initially learning that language–yet they want to be chaste which is good.

What I say is that by not learning a new language of heterosexuality–not trying to become ORDERED–they are trying to be chaste while LOOKING back!

If they really want to be chaste they should also try to be ORDERED!

Define “heterosexuality”

Define “homosexuality”

 

[frizzgrig]

Christ chose heterosexuality. Shouldn’t we choose like He did–and yes you can CHOOSE heterosexuality and still be celibate like Jesus was.

While we should not attribute that which may cause scandal or demonstrate a lack of respect for God:

Can you (or anyone) show me a scripture passage where Jesus declared his sexual orientation?

How about an official teaching of the Church that definitively declares Jesus’ sexual orientation?

There is precious little discussion of Jesus’ private life in the Bible.

The Church has officially stated it does not believe it is a choice.

The reality is if a person does not announce to the world their SSA, there is NO outward difference between a person who has SSA and one who does not. Similarly there is no difference in the Church’s expectation on how a single person will conduct their life.