What are the issues that Catholics and all other Christians agree on?

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What are the issues that Catholics and all other Christians agree on?
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There has to be a minimum number of things that we both (Catholics and Protestants) absolutely, 100% agree on, what are they?

What is the list of non-disputable issues?

I would like to see a list, to remind me to first approach my Protestant friends as my brothers in sisters in Christ, and then discuss our differences.
 
**(50) things I think we all can agree on:
  1. One God, the Father, the Almighty: (God the Father, God the Son Jesus and God the Holy Spirit)
  2. God is the God of Moses and Abraham of both the Old and New Testaments
  3. We believe in the Old and New Testaments
  4. God is forever and eternal (Alpha and Omega)
  5. God is the creator of heaven and earth and all things
  6. God has created all life
  7. Everything is by God’s will
  8. God is perfect
  9. God is loving
  10. God is just
  11. God is merciful
  12. God is all power and might
  13. God is all knowledge
  14. God is (Omni present) everywhere
  15. Our Lord, Jesus Christ, is the only Son of God
  16. Jesus was Eternally begotten of the Father
  17. **For our salvation **
  18. He was conceived by the Holy Spirit
  19. He was born of the Virgin Mary
  20. The Magi came to worship the baby Jesus
  21. Joseph took Mary and Jesus and fled to Egypt
  22. They returned from Egypt
  23. They came to Galilee
  24. Jesus was found in the temple preaching
  25. He was a Nazarene
  26. John the Baptist “prepared the way of our Lord”
  27. John the Baptist, Baptized Jesus
  28. Jesus went into the desert for (40) days and nights, where He was tempted by the Devil
  29. Jesus begins His ministries, HE calls His first deciples
  30. Jesus healed many, preformed miracles and raised men from the dead
  31. Jesus ministers to crowds
  32. Jesus walks on water
  33. He entered Jerusalem
  34. He was Crucified under Pontius Pilate
  35. He was arrested and suffered for us and our sins
  36. He died on the Cross (Crucified) for or us and our sins
  37. He was buried
  38. He rose from the dead on the 3rd Day (Resurrection)
  39. He fulfilled scriptures
  40. He ascended into heaven
  41. He is seated at the right hand of the Father (God)
  42. He will come again in to judge the living and the dead
  43. His kingdom will have no end.
  44. God is to be worshiped and glorified
  45. He has spoken through the Prophets
    47.Jesus created His Church
  46. Christians must be baptized
  47. We look forward to the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come
    **
 
Here in another That all Christians and Catholic share in common, The Beatitudes,

Mathew 5:1-12
5 1 Seeing the crowds, he went up on the mountain, and when he sat down his disciples came to him. 2 And he opened his mouth and taught them, saying:
3 "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 "Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
5 "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
6 "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
7 "Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.
8 "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
9 "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 "Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so men persecuted the prophets who were before you. (Matthew (RSV) 5)
 
Actually, the Nicene Creed (with or without the filioque, with a capitla or small C on the word “catholic”) is common to nearly all Christians. Though the Baptists refuse to adhere to any creed, I think they also would agree with it.

JWs and Mormons probably wouldn’t, but I don’t consider them Christians because of how they view Jesus. I don’t know about non-Trinitarians.

Also, Psalm 23, all the Psalms actually.
 
The difference amongst 50 other things is first and most important that Protestants DO NOT believe in the Real Presence of our Lord Jesus Christ in the Eucharist. That’s enough for me, even though Jesus said it several times in the Bible “DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME”, they simply don’t get it. He didn’t say “DO THIS AS A SYMBOL OF ME”.
 
Righteousone said:
The difference amongst 50 other things is first and most important that Protestants DO NOT believe in the Real Presence of our Lord Jesus Christ in the Eucharist. That’s enough for me, even though Jesus said it several times in the Bible “DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME”, they simply don’t get it. He didn’t say “DO THIS AS A SYMBOL OF ME”.
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Actually, I think “do this in remembrance of me” is much more akin to “do this as a symbol of me” than “do this to actually consume me”…
However, the verses in John dealing with this clarify that it was not just symbolic.
 
HannahLisa said:
Actually, I think “do this in remembrance of me” is much more akin to “do this as a symbol of me” than “do this to actually consume me”…
However, the verses in John dealing with this clarify that it was not just symbolic.
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I can go on with what Jesus says about His Body and Blood, but my Bible is downstairs and I’m too lazy to get up.😃
 
Righteousone said:
I can go on with what Jesus says about His Body and Blood, but my Bible is downstairs and I’m too lazy to get up.😃
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I know some version of it from the Communion service, which tends to be pretty universal… 😉

“This is my body, which is broken for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” And after supper he took the cup; and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink this, all of you; for this is the cup of my blood/my blood of the New Covenant, which is shed for you and for many for the forgiveness of sins. Do this, as oft as ye shall drink it, in remembrance of me.”

(I’m too lazy to look it up as well. 😛 )

I believe in the Real Presence, but I tend to think this part is more symbolic language than other places where Jesus mentions his Body and Blood.
 
HannahLisa said:
I know some version of it from the Communion service, which tends to be pretty universal… 😉

“This is my body, which is broken for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” And after supper he took the cup; and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink this, all of you; for this is the cup of my blood/my blood of the New Covenant, which is shed for you and for many for the forgiveness of sins. Do this, as oft as ye shall drink it, in remembrance of me.”

(I’m too lazy to look it up as well. 😛 )

I believe in the Real Presence, but I tend to think this part is more symbolic language than other places where Jesus mentions his Body and Blood.
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Do this as oft as ye shall drink it?? What Bible is this?
 
Furthermore, the Catholic priest is the only one who has the authority to change the Body and Blood into Jesus Christ…no one else can do this.
 
additional thing: Mother Mary is the most blessed woman. Am I right to say that all Christians see her as the most blessed one?
 
That we should:
…have no other gods
…not take the Lord’s name in vain
…remember the sabbath
…honor our parents
…not kill
…not commit adultery
…not steal
…not bear false witness
…not covet our neighbor’s house
…not covet our neighbor’s spouse

… help the least of God’s children
 
Righteousone said:
The difference amongst 50 other things is first and most important that Protestants DO NOT believe in the Real Presence of our Lord Jesus Christ in the Eucharist. That’s enough for me, even though Jesus said it several times in the Bible “DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME”, they simply don’t get it. He didn’t say “DO THIS AS A SYMBOL OF ME”.
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I have actually met a “Bible Alone” - “Born Again” who now “believes” in the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist (what ever that means; he hasn’t converted to Catholicism), because I showed it to him in his own Bible.

I think 'Protestant" Christians are all over the map when it comes to this belief and all other Christian beliefs.

In most cases, other than a handful of Bible verses, and a few Christian “sound-bites” that might catch their ear, they don’t really know what they believe, how could they?

That is why, non-Catholic Christianity makes absolutely no sense…It is somewhat schizophrenic by its own nature.
 
Jimmy_B said:
There has to be a minimum number of things that we both (Catholics and Protestants) absolutely, 100% agree on, what are they?

What is the list of non-disputable issues?

I would like to see a list, to remind me to first approach my Protestant friends as my brothers in sisters in Christ, and then discuss our differences.
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Jimmy B,
It might also help non-Catholics approach our Catholic Brothers and Sisters in Christ in the same spirit. Thanks for the thread.
Try this:

That we are not justified by works alone. Whatever we believe the role of works to be, we must have faith in order to be justified.
 
Jimmy_B said:
(50) things I think we all can agree on:

We believe in the Old and New Testaments
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Which versions? Anglican, Catholic and Protestant Bibles include different books as canonical in the Hebrew Scriptures.

For much of the rest of it, it would depend on how literally you interpret these things as historical fact (as we understand that term today) as to how many denominations and individuals within those denominations agreed with you.
 
Righteousone said:
Do this as oft as ye shall drink it?? What Bible is this?
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King James
I Corinthians 11:
23For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

24And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

Douay Rheims
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus, the same night in which he was betrayed, took bread. 24 And giving thanks, broke, and said: Take ye, and eat: this is my body, which shall be delivered for you: this do for the commemoration of me. 25 In like manner also the chalice, after he had supped, saying: This chalice is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of me.
 
Hey all, well Jimmy here is a protestant who has always thought when Jesus said do this in rememberance of Me, that it was His Body and Blood I was looking at. So thats my deal in a nutshell.

I wonder often why its such a confusion for everyone. Even if it was supposed to be a symbol, well symbols are powerful. Like Ive said, let me burn a US Flag and see how many people take it personally. The flag represents the people, its “hurt” so are they.

On the other side, what wrong with seeing it as our Lord and Saviours actual Body and Blood. We* see *that and remember His sacrifice for us. Why is that so wrong? Are people afraid of the reality of what happened?

The only theory I can figure in the whole thing is authority. Only Catholic priests can perform this. Therefore the rest are but symbols. But symbols are powerful as the thing itself. And so it circles.

I know this is one of those key issues that divide. Really, what is one doing when they take communion? They see Christ. When you partake of Eucharist? They see Christ.

Does it make a difference how you see Him? Thats the question. And if it does make a difference, then WHY does it make a difference.

🙂
 
Righteousone said:
Do this as oft as ye shall drink it?? What Bible is this?
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I don’t know for sure. The quote actually comes from the Episcopalian Rite I Holy Communion service, because that is the church I attended for years and the service I have memorized. I know it comes from the Bible and I’m pretty sure that if you look at another translation the meaning will be the same. (I believe a couple posts up someone found the actual Bible version.)

Also, I obviously don’t believe that a Catholic priest is the only one with the “authority” to change the “Body and Blood into Jesus Christ.” If I believed that, I would be Catholic.

fbl9 – Psalm 23 is a favorite among Christians, I’ve found, more so than perhaps any other psalm. That is why I stated that in such a way.
 
🙂 hi HannahLisa thank you. of course you knew if one was able to attened the Mass there is a different psalm for each Mass outside of the church seasons.
 
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