What are the main arguments against evolution?

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Hi all,

What are the biggest proofs against evolution?

I say this because I am reading more and more Traditional Catholic arguments against evolution, some of which are bit above my level of intelligence at the moment and I wanted to know in a nutshell what are main arguments against evolution in simple terms?
 
Hi all,

What are the biggest proofs against evolution?

I say this because I am reading more and more Traditional Catholic arguments against evolution, some of which are bit above my level of intelligence at the moment and I wanted to know in a nutshell what are main arguments against evolution in simple terms?
I would like to ask that this thread should stay on-topic. The question is, what are the arguments against evolution? Usually, what this will mean is that evolutionists will attack anyone who gives the answer to this question. Some of this depends on whether you want to debate or if you want the traditional Catholic arguments against evolution.

The only attacks that evolutionists should provide on this topic are points which say “no, that’s not an argument that traditional Catholics use against evolution”. That is different than saying “that is not a good argument”.

I only point this out because it gets very tiring dealing with the same arguments from evolutionists on every thread on this topic.

Why not have one thread that just gives the arguments against evolution and let it stand at that? If people want to debate, then attack these arguments elsewhere. Ok?
 
what are main arguments against evolution in simple terms?
The one real argument is that it contradicts a literal interpretation of the first chapters of Genesis. Everything else is crafted in support of this one reason.
 
One argument I have heard, but have not verified, involves the appearance of feathered creatures in the fossil record. The case has been made that these creatures appear in a “sudden” manner.

The case for evolution would require slower adaptation over a much longer period of time.

The conclusion is, these creatures were created by God.

I hope this helps.
 
Hi all,

What are the biggest proofs against evolution?

I say this because I am reading more and more Traditional Catholic arguments against evolution, some of which are bit above my level of intelligence at the moment and I wanted to know in a nutshell what are main arguments against evolution in simple terms?
The only argument I can give against evolution is that it is only a theory. There is no foundational proof that evolution is so. That is, here is the original cell that turned into a fish that tuned into an amphibian that tuned into a reptile that turned into a mamal that turned into a man. In other words, there is no way that science can prove evolution.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem
 
how about the lack of transitional creatures in the fossil record? how about the complexity of living things and their inability to survive unless all parts are functioning correctly. how does an eye evolve? each part must be present in order for it to work correctly. while there may be some sort of evolution within a species, there is no proven data that shows an evolution from one species to another.
 
That Darwinism leads to genocide as practiced by the Nazis.
 
That my faith will be destroyed if I find out that science is right and Genesis isn’t a literal telling of how God created the world.

Peace

Tim
 
The one real argument is that it contradicts a literal interpretation of the first chapters of Genesis. Everything else is crafted in support of this one reason.
Yet, the Catholic Church does not insist on a literal interpretation of Genesis.

And transitional forms are found all the time.
 
Fossil record proves nothing. All it proves is that the fossil once existed and nothing more. Fossil record does not prove evolutionary theory any more than creationism.

I personally love it when someone who has zero scientific background tells me that the proof for evolution is that “they have found loads of skulls”.

I also personally love it when an honest evolutionist/materialist admits that they have zero idea how life started and then admit that it isn’t likely to happen in a trillion trillion years. That is just that one single event when life started on its own.

I also love it when each new discovery of the complexity of cells puts evolutionary biology back one more step.

I also love it when population geneticists admit that they have no evidence of a gain in genetic information for new species. I also love it when people then try and discredit that particular person for saying it and when asked to provide that evidence can’t.

Evolution as in not just “change in biology” but as in actual creation of new species gradually by evolution has as much scientific evidence as I personally have that pigs have secret wings that allow them to fly.

Paul
 
I’m sorry, but there are really very few scientific arguements against evolution. All of the evidence seems to support it, unless one adheres to a literalistic reading of the Bible, which is not a book of science but a book of faith. But if you really want to be taken seriously in your arguements, I would suggest that you don’t use so called ‘creation science’ that is popular in Protestant circles, which won’t get taken seriously. I might recomend you read Pope John Paul II’s statements on evolution at: cin.org/jp2evolu.html.
 
Evolution, or the Theory of Natural Selection, simply says that organisms adapt to their environment over time. Some try to use this theory as a means of explaining the origin of life, something which the original theory did not do.

Evolution, as a theory to account for the diversity of life on Earth, is not in contradiction with the teachings of the Church. Evolution, as a philosophy to explain the creation of life separate from the creative action of God, contradicts Church teaching and is not verifiable by science. One can be a good Catholic and believe in the theory of evolution provided they do not hold a position that is contrary to the beliefs, doctrines and dogmas of the Church.
 
@silver reel

I am sorry you are wrong. I went to university believing in evolution. My university was Imperial College London. This college is number 1 in europe for for science and technology. When I was there I met other people who have iq’s similar to my own that is 150+ who were also against evolution for scientific reasons. Not all of them were undergraduates either.

When I graduated I no longer accepted evolution as a scientific theory. That was what caused me to come back to the Faith as it were.

One of the pre-requisites for rejecting evolution is the ability to question the modern world-view. This is the modern age. Why do we have to kill our own babies? Why is it that the modern mind seems incapable of understanding that its wrong. It is for the same reason many people think evolution is true. Intellectual and moral blindness.

Also most biologists who think there isn’t a good scientific argument against evolution are guaranteed to be very very bad mathematicians. 4 billion years isn’t even a drop in the water when we are talking about the scales of biological change the evolutionists require.

Secondly because they are biologists they often have no rigor when it comes to making a theory work. I mean historians have more rigor than them. Its ridiculous that a historian can analyse evidence more logically than a biologist.

They have got to learn to interpret evidence correctly. Every change in biology is not evidence of evolution and they will eventually get that into their thick skulls.

Dawkins is typical of those. A quick read of his “A God Delusion” tells you that Dawkins is bad at actually thinking.

Paul
 
Okay, I guess we can add “ad hominem” to the list of arguments against evolution.
 
I’m sorry, but there are really very few scientific arguements against evolution. All of the evidence seems to support it, unless one adheres to a literalistic reading of the Bible, which is not a book of science but a book of faith. But if you really want to be taken seriously in your arguements, I would suggest that you don’t use so called ‘creation science’ that is popular in Protestant circles, which won’t get taken seriously. I might recomend you read Pope John Paul II’s statements on evolution at: cin.org/jp2evolu.html.
Please tell me the constant teaching and belief of the Church.
 
My own personal beef with evolution as it is usually taught is…

Lack of real DNA evidence. Evolution states that the mechanism for transmitting changes over time is changes in DNA.

Fossil records show shapes & some other physical characteristics e.g. of “species B”, but there is no absolute way of knowing that it followed “species A” as an actual descemdent, or that it preceded “species C” as an actual ancestor. A,B, and C occur at different points in the fossil time line, but that by itself doesn’t prove heredity.

But there is no DNA for A, or B, or C (except if species C is still around - and you still need DNA from B to prove anything anyhow).
 
Hmmm. Well, for what its worth, here are my two cents:

The argument against “creationism” is that it isn’t a scientific theory. God created everything. Great. What was the mechanism, though? How did it happen? These are the things that science cares about. “A miracle occurred” is not a satisfying scientific mechanism. Scientifically satisfying mechanisms have to rely on foundations that can be put to the test. A Christian in science will recognize that other mechanisms may exist, but those are supernatural, not natural. As far as science is concerned, everything has a natural cause–that is, by a Christian way of putting it, everything obeys God’s standard natural laws–until it is demonstrated otherwise. A scientist who is Christian has to play the Devil’s Advocate until satisfied that no natural explanation exists. The creationists have not demonstrated a miracle to a level of satisfaction that is likely to appease a Devil’s Advocate.

So what about evolution? Evolutionists can cite instances of new subspecies: that is, animal populations that are genetically distinct arising from other populations with the same number of chromosomes, but with which they cannot breed for reasons of seasonality of breeding readiness, physical separation, or whatnot. These distinctions arise from the kinds of reproductive pressures Darwin talked about. Great so far. However, there aren’t any known instances of a single organism with a different number of chromosomes being able to breed successfully with others of its own kind. So how does an organism with one number of chromosomes ever arise from a previous ancestor with a different number, if the mechanism of chromosomal change is random mutation in individuals? You don’t see this happening…that is one way of saying that you don’t see the “transitional state”. There just aren’t known cases of it happening. As it sits, then, evolution is not yet totally intellectually satisfying, either. As a mechanism explaining life as we know it, evolution has its own “a miracle occurs” step, too.

The problem is that although no one can prove there is a mechanism by which one species gives rise to another with a different number of chromosomes, it can’t be proven that this rare mechanism doesn’t ever happen. It is like saying, “Nobody ever saw God plop a new species down ‘poof!’ from nothing, and yet species just start showing up in the fossil record, so therefore God doesn’t ‘poof!’ plop down a new species from nothing. There must be a natural mechanism for it.”

The Church teaches that the Bible does not speak about scientific mechanisms. As far as the Church is concerned, God could have chosen to employ either mechanism, neither mechanism, or both mechanisms.

Take, for instance, medicine. We know that God sometimes uses the natural mechanism of human understanding to facilitate healing, sometimes uses natural agents that no one at the time understands are helpful, and sometimes uses direct miraculous intervention. In any of these cases, the Church asserts, God is the agent ultimately responsible for the healing taking place.

Likewise, God is the responsible agent for all of creation. Finding that he uses one mechanism in particular or two or more different ones, as it pleases him, or even that he always uses some third mechanism no one has imagined wouldn’t change that.

So if you become a partisan for or against evolution, don’t force yourself to believe that your faith in any way depends upon it. It just doesn’t.
 
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