What are the media’s moral obligations in making society aware of extreme poverty in the world?

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:confused: So, would have them not air the Holy Father? Mass? Catechism? Prayers and inspiration? Jesus said we will always have the poor. We need more than just more photos of malnurishment. We need hope.

So, if you criticize them, what would you cut out of the programing?
I wouldn’t cut anything from programming, personally – but I’d probably be good with adding some. I (rightly) hear much about the abortion industry and opportunities for getting involved to combat it. I’d love to hear a smidge of the same kind of talk related to poverty. But that’s just me.
 
You know, I guess I got so tied up in side issues, it never occurred to me to question the main premise. Apparently the media does make us aware of poverty. Robert Sock knew of it. I did. I think most know that many people exist in total poverty, that people starve, that children are malnourished.
But are the people truly aware of the hardships, and are they truly aware that it’s a crime against humanity? That it’s a crime against humanity needs to be made as a public statement. As things stand now, people are saying to themselves: “If nobody else is that concerned with extreme poverty, then neither am I.”
 
Rarely do I say anything with this level of conviction but… No, no, no. American poverty is disturbed and disturbing. It is **not **third-world poverty. The average Congolese citizen earns less that $250 a year (while working as much and as hard as possible, that is, not while “choosing” poverty) and has an average life expectancy of 48. North Koreans, deprived of food and food sources for so long, have taken to eating dirt and bark to fill their bellies and silence hunger pangs. Here, public education is available for both sexes – definitely not in many other poverty-riddled portions of the world. No one is attempting to minimize the horrors of American poverty. But please do not make the faulty generalization that all poverty is the same.
You leave me no choice but to quit or argue. I won’t argue about it, except to say you’re wrong. There, I’ve had my say.
 
But are the people truly aware of the hardships, and are they truly aware that it’s a crime against humanity? That it’s a crime against humanity needs to be made as a public statement. As things stand now, people are saying to themselves: “If nobody else is that concerned with extreme poverty, then neither am I.”
You really think that we’re all so DUMB that decades of TV ads for Feed the Children, countless broadcasts, articles, speeches, sociology classes, etc. etc. etc. weren’t enough to make people ‘truly aware’ that people in the world are suffering? Robert, Robert. . . You seem to have the idea that on the one hand people are so ‘smart’ that they manage to get away with crimes and keep people in poverty for their own selfish ways, and they aren’t getting ‘caught’. . .and on the other, that people are so DUMB that they can see, hear, and experience information and yet not truly know what the heck is going on. . .

And certainly extreme poverty is often due to criminal misuse of resources by some due to the exploitation of others, but being poor is not ‘criminal’ (or I’d be behind bars according to the standards of many in the U.S. who have arbitrarily decided that a person “must” possess a certain monetary ‘worth’ in order to say, raise children, and that lacking such means that my children will always be lesser than those who have that ‘monetary worth’).

And exactly WHO is saying to themselves, “If nobody else is that concerned with extreme poverty, then neither am I”.? The only person we KNOW saying that is YOU. You’re assuming that ‘most people’ in the U.S. are somehow not ‘educated’ by ‘the media’ and that this is the reason that the poverty exists.

Robert, how do you suggest that we go about and remove from power those who are through the use of force, or through ‘legal elections’, or through military coups, are keeping people in extreme poverty?

Because I am not, and most Americans are not, the ones who are keeping people in extreme poverty. We are in fact working pretty darn hard to keep ourselves treading water, AND also to help others are much as we can. . .but it’s not OUR ‘greed’ which is taking food from the mouths of others. Even ‘buying cell phones from China’ (phones made by people under terrible conditions) isn’t forcing these people into poverty because of our greed. . .The leadership in these countries is doing that, and if we aren’t buying those phones, they’ll take their money and food and power etc. out of the people even so, and the people will have even LESS than they do now.

If every person in the U.S. suddenly stopped buying new cell phones and demanded that China institute fair wages etc (things which let’s face it we don’t have OURSELVES in the U.S. in many places), this would not bring the people food and shelter and plenty. If it could, most people in America, in fact, most people anywhere, would do it, because it’s not something that really puts US in poverty, and it helps others.

BUT sanctions and boycotts and criticisms don’t seem to be working, so I don’t know why people seem to think that if only somebody (like the media, or the Pope) just MADE IT PLAIN HOW 'SINFUL" this is, then suddenly the leaders and the thieves and the oppressors would just have a complete change of heart. . .
 
You leave me no choice but to quit or argue. I won’t argue about it, except to say you’re wrong. There, I’ve had my say.
Then I’m wrong alongside scholars, human rights workers, and advocates for international bodies that deal directly with third-world poverty. I’m good with that.
 
Because I am not, and most Americans are not, the ones who are keeping people in extreme poverty. We are in fact working pretty darn hard to keep ourselves treading water, AND also to help others are much as we can. . .but it’s not OUR ‘greed’ which is taking food from the mouths of others. Even ‘buying cell phones from China’ (phones made by people under terrible conditions) isn’t forcing these people into poverty because of our greed. . .The leadership in these countries is doing that, and if we aren’t buying those phones, they’ll take their money and food and power etc. out of the people even so, and the people will have even LESS than they do now.
Please learn more about the DRC and conflict minerals as there’s much misinformation here. (You might also read this.)
If every person in the U.S. suddenly stopped buying new cell phones and demanded that China institute fair wages etc (things which let’s face it we don’t have OURSELVES in the U.S. in many places), this would not bring the people food and shelter and plenty. If it could, most people in America, in fact, most people anywhere, would do it, because it’s not something that really puts US in poverty, and it helps others.
Actually, demanding conflict-free products increases the supply of them. And I assume we all know how supply and demand works – buying conflict-free grows local economies rather than the other way around.
 
But are the people truly aware of the hardships, and are they truly aware that it’s a crime against humanity? That it’s a crime against humanity needs to be made as a public statement.
If that is what your point it, I would have to say that there is no way any news program can unplug ears with fingers in them, freewill being what it is.
 
:confused: So, would have them not air the Holy Father? Mass? Catechism? Prayers and inspiration? Jesus said we will always have the poor. We need more than just more photos of malnurishment. We need hope.

So, if you criticize them, what would you cut out of the programing?
Maybe cut out the re-airing of programs, other than the daily Mass. We already have the Missionaries of the Poor (at least I think it’s still airing), but that’s not enough. Besides, it’s often re-aired time and time again. We need more programming like what the missionaries are doing in Calcutta, and showing the extreme hardships of those in extreme poverty.
 
You really think that we’re all so DUMB that decades of TV ads for Feed the Children, countless broadcasts, articles, speeches, sociology classes, etc. etc. etc. weren’t enough to make people ‘truly aware’ that people in the world are suffering? Robert, Robert. . . You seem to have the idea that on the one hand people are so ‘smart’ that they manage to get away with crimes and keep people in poverty for their own selfish ways, and they aren’t getting ‘caught’. . .and on the other, that people are so DUMB that they can see, hear, and experience information and yet not truly know what the heck is going on. . .

And certainly extreme poverty is often due to criminal misuse of resources by some due to the exploitation of others, but being poor is not ‘criminal’ (or I’d be behind bars according to the standards of many in the U.S. who have arbitrarily decided that a person “must” possess a certain monetary ‘worth’ in order to say, raise children, and that lacking such means that my children will always be lesser than those who have that ‘monetary worth’).

And exactly WHO is saying to themselves, “If nobody else is that concerned with extreme poverty, then neither am I”.? The only person we KNOW saying that is YOU. You’re assuming that ‘most people’ in the U.S. are somehow not ‘educated’ by ‘the media’ and that this is the reason that the poverty exists.

Robert, how do you suggest that we go about and remove from power those who are through the use of force, or through ‘legal elections’, or through military coups, are keeping people in extreme poverty?

Because I am not, and most Americans are not, the ones who are keeping people in extreme poverty. We are in fact working pretty darn hard to keep ourselves treading water, AND also to help others are much as we can. . .but it’s not OUR ‘greed’ which is taking food from the mouths of others. Even ‘buying cell phones from China’ (phones made by people under terrible conditions) isn’t forcing these people into poverty because of our greed. . .The leadership in these countries is doing that, and if we aren’t buying those phones, they’ll take their money and food and power etc. out of the people even so, and the people will have even LESS than they do now.

If every person in the U.S. suddenly stopped buying new cell phones and demanded that China institute fair wages etc (things which let’s face it we don’t have OURSELVES in the U.S. in many places), this would not bring the people food and shelter and plenty. If it could, most people in America, in fact, most people anywhere, would do it, because it’s not something that really puts US in poverty, and it helps others.

BUT sanctions and boycotts and criticisms don’t seem to be working, so I don’t know why people seem to think that if only somebody (like the media, or the Pope) just MADE IT PLAIN HOW 'SINFUL" this is, then suddenly the leaders and the thieves and the oppressors would just have a complete change of heart. . .
So there we have it; just maintain the status quo and go om pretending that extreme poverty does not exist! :rolleyes:

What about the extreme poverty that exists in our own backyard, here in America?
 
That’s really disturbing!!! It serves as a wake-up call to all of society. How can people sit back while such atrocities are taking place!!!
Careful Robert, someone might ask you what you are doing to help rid the world of extreme poverty.
 
Careful Robert, someone might ask you what you are doing to help rid the world of extreme poverty.
I live on a very limited fixed income; just enough to pay my bills. But I do donate what I can to feed the homeless!

I also lead of life of mostly solitude and silence, in prayerful thought, in reparation of all the pain and suffering in the world.

How about you?
 
I live on a very limited fixed income; just enough to pay my bills. But I do donate what I can to feed the homeless!

I also lead of life of mostly solitude and silence, in prayerful thought, in reparation of all the pain and suffering in the world.
But is that enough Robert? Could more be done? If not then why the tone as if others are holding back their secret weapons to ending extreme poverty? Could it be that there is no amount of money in the world that could or would wipe it out completely?
How about you?
I’m sure I don’t do enough, and I’m also sure I’m not the one who says others aren’t doing enough.
 
But is that enough Robert? Could more be done? If not then why the tone as if others are holding back their secret weapons to ending extreme poverty? Could it be that there is no amount of money in the world that could or would wipe it out completely?
Certainly more can be done, like educating people about extreme poverty, which is why I started this thread. But I do believe that it’s up to the media to inform people that extreme poverty is a crime against humanity, and must be eliminated. Poverty, I’m afraid, will always be with us (and I’m living below the poverty level), but extreme poverty can be eliminated with the outcry of the public! The industrial revolution era will go down in history as the most savagely brutal eras in all of humanity. People will one day plainly see that extreme poverty is on par with the the extermination of the Jews in Nazi Germany!
 
Whoa, whoa – what?? I didn’t state or imply that anyone who disagrees with me is “more akin to demons than Catholics.” I…can’t imagine the context in which I would make such a statement.
The point I was trying to make is that when people see the arguments of others against *particular *forms of aid to the poor as lack of willingness to do *anything *to help the poor, whatever further comments proponents of different systems make are easily dismissed.

So, Smith says that the US welfare system is not the best way to help the poor so taxes should not be increased so as to expand these programs further, and Jones says, how unChristian of you, how can you possibly say we shouldn’t help the poor–a form of argumentation I frequently see on CAF (and elsewhere), it is because of the dynamic I described.

I then used a hyperbolic way of describing it to point up the problem… a sort of rhetorical device.
It’s odd that you assume “she” is mischaracterizing others’ arguments rather than assuming there’s veracity in the descriptions she’s offered. I don’t have any interest in pointing to folks and using them as poster children for the “don’t give” perspective – but if the first place we go is a list of reasons why doing something is problematic, e waste time trying to find a perfect solution while people are dying.
If you make an assertion, you need to be able to back it up. I have necer seen on CAF what you described; I have seen what I described.

Also, people frequently think i am male because of my screen name (St Francis), even tho it is really unlikely that has anything to do with my real name 🙂 Your screen name, gracepoole, seems more like it could be a real name-- Grace Poole-- so I thought it might be more likely you were a woman. Sorry to have made this mistake and i will try to remember in the future 🙂

Annie
 
I live on a very limited fixed income; just enough to pay my bills. But I do donate what I can to feed the homeless!

I also lead of life of mostly solitude and silence, in prayerful thought, in reparation of all the pain and suffering in the world.

How about you?
Many of us have limited incomes… for example, most people probably make around the average income and have children, etc. Many of us do what we easily can, some of us make sacrifices to do a little more, bit most of us have $X and commitments, like children, Y.

You have yourself and your small income, you have time to pray! i have children, who are homeschooled, and other stuff going on–my time is continually interrupted. This is not a time in my life when I can pray a lot. Not much solitude, and silence is even more rare 🙂
 
I think what we don’t hear enough of is how our daily choices impact those living in poverty elsewhere. For example, most people are unaware that their cell phones are made from minerals that fuel a culture of rape, murder, child labor, and enslavement. Perhaps if more were aware of this, they’d make different choices when making purchases.
Mr GP, This is good information, thanks for telling us about it. WRT this issue, it’s a tough one. We ourselves try to minimize our acquisitions of things like this, bit there is only so far we can go in this society. Some things are necessary to function at what has become a normal level (try going without a cell phone :(), and built-in obsolescence means we end up spending money for a new thing which could be used for other things, among which are repairing a church or helping the poor.

I tried to find one of your other posts about how people are more inclined to give based on one single person rather than upon hearing about millions of starving children…
  1. An article was posted several weeks ago here that religious people were less likely to give if they were shown an emotional appeal than non-religious people were. Since religious people have a high rate of giving, one poster proposed that maybe religious people are simply more careful about their giving and resist giving based on emotion.
So I would say that this may be the case. Maybe the plight of a dog stranded on a boat can generate $48,000 in a few days, but over the course of a year, much more is given to many organized charities.

This may touch on the general topic as well, but additionally, I think people can easily feel overwhelmed. There are millions starving ij Africa, and I have $5: a teeny fraction of a cent per starving person. How much will that really help? Why not spend it on coffee? Of course, we Catholics know that the act of giving and sacrificing is additionally meritorious if one is in a state of grace, but few non-Catholics understand that, so they go for the coffee.

But when it comes to a single case of a single person, a regular Joe can see that $5 might make a difference, the difference between 2 or more meals or nothing.
 
Certainly more can be done, like educating people about extreme poverty
It is an “Enlightenment” idea that education will solve all problems. Quite clearly education has little to do with the matter. Very highly educated members of some cultures are unmoved by the poverty of others because their culture tells them the suffering is payback for wrongs committed in previous lives. Very highly educated members of other societies give *only *to members of their own cultures. And so on.
, which is why I started this thread. But I do believe that it’s up to the media to inform people that extreme poverty is a crime against humanity, and must be eliminated. Poverty, I’m afraid, will always be with us (and I’m living below the poverty level), but extreme poverty can be eliminated with the outcry of the public! The industrial revolution era will go down in history as the most savagely brutal eras in all of humanity. People will one day plainly see that extreme poverty is on par with the the extermination of the Jews in Nazi Germany!
Let me ask you, Robert, how much money would be needed to alleviate extreme poverty?

For example, I once thought about the *billions *of people who are not Catholic, and this seemed so sad, but also too big a problem to solve. Then I realized that, hey! There are a billion Catholics! If each Catholic prayed for the conversion of a mere 5 people, everyone could be converted! and even if only 10% of Catholics did this, it would still be only 50 people each that one would have to pray for (if my math is correct :o).

So what would it take to alleviate extreme poverty?

Maybe what you need to do is some research into how much it would take to relieve extreme poverty, starvation, in the world, and toss in a bit extra for vaccinations and the like. Then we’ll have some idea of what we are talking about undertaking.
 
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