What are the Most Misunderstood Bible Verse(s)

[stardog]

Haha Jon.

That Peter is the rock (because of his confession of faith) is the most natural reading of the passage.

Let’s look at both scenarios:
If the Lord was referring to Peter’s confession of faith as being the “rock” … then so be it. We are all in agreement with what Peter had to say to our Lord.
If, on the other hand, Jesus was referring to Peter as the “Rock”, what other scriptures can we turn to justify the “passing on” , so to speak, of this “Rock” status to another human being following Peter’s death ? Could it be that the Lord was basing his reference to Peter as the “Rock” by referring to Peter’s ministry, and Peter’s teachings, and the Gospel as preached by Peter (especially after the crucifixion) as being the foundation of the Church?

 

[zz912]

Let’s look at both scenarios:
If the Lord was referring to Peter’s confession of faith as being the “rock” … then so be it. We are all in agreement with what Peter had to say to our Lord.
If, on the other hand, Jesus was referring to Peter as the “Rock”, what other scriptures can we turn to justify the “passing on” , so to speak, of this “Rock” status to another human being following Peter’s death ? Could it be that the Lord was basing his reference to Peter as the “Rock” by referring to Peter’s ministry, and Peter’s teachings, and the Gospel as preached by Peter (especially after the crucifixion) as being the foundation of the Church?

Just off the top of my head:

Jesus gives the keys of the kingdom to Peter individually.
Jesus prays specifically for Peter.
Jesus pays the fee for Peter (miracle of the coin in the fish’s mouth)
Jesus tells Peter to feed, tend, feed His sheep.
Jesus tells Peter to strengthen his brethren.
The office of Apostle lives on after the Apostle (when they replace Judas)
Paul orders Timothy to ordain men to the priesthood/bishop who will have authority to teach/correct/rebuke/ordain other men. (i.e. authority from Paul continues on)

 

[QuickCat]

He was writing to Christians, Body of Christ ground.

Since it is the present tense being used, it is not a future event. There is not indication that it is to be accomplished at the judgement rather it indicates that it is a present happening.

Sealed how? Believing what? You can’t just take a few versus out of context to understand what it means to Believe. You have only** part** of what you should Believe. Jesus also said to be Baptized(sealed), to Remember Him in the Euchrist, by eating and drinking His Body and Blood, To care for the least among us (Matthew 25:35-46)

I think it is in the perfect tense. ?] Doesn’t matter, the authority was given to the apostles in anticipation of their role in the coming earthly kingdom. Our Lord Jesus Christ spent His last 40 days on earth confirming this kingdom to them [Acts 1:3]. They understood it to be the earthly kingdom for Israel by their question in Acts 1:6. We see a foretaste of this authority being used in early Acts. Peter actually offered this kingdom to Israel in Acts 3:19-21.

Sealed? The Holy Spirit is the seal! Believing the gospel that Paul gives in 1 Cor.15:1-4.
Water baptism is never given as a seal, it is a cleaning for Israel to become a kingdom of priests in the coming earthly kingdom. See Ex 19:5,6 cf 1 Peter 2:9.

Hope this helps.
QC

 

[adrift]

I think it is in the perfect tense. ?]

No it is present tense. It does matter. Jesus is referring to the now not some distant time.

Doesn’t matter, the authority was given to the apostles in anticipation of their role in the coming earthly kingdom.

They were given authority to forgive sins. You believe than that this earthly kingdom will still have sinners? In the coming earthly kingdom, people will still sin? What do you mean by earthly kingdom? Oh please give me documentation.

Our Lord Jesus Christ spent His last 40 days on earth confirming this kingdom to them [Acts 1:3]. They understood it to be the earthly kingdom for Israel by their question in Acts 1:6.

They were still clinging to the idea that the messiah would be a political leader. That Jesus would restore self-rule to the country. When this didn’t happen, they wondered if it would take place then. The idea of an earthly kingdom was their misunderstanding. Just as they misunderstood that Jesus would return soon.

We see a foretaste of this authority being used in early Acts. Peter actually offered this kingdom to Israel in Acts 3:19-21.

from the NAB

an apocalyptic designation of the messianic age, fitting in with the christology of ⇒ Acts 3:20 that associates the messiahship of Jesus with his future coming.

Sealed? The Holy Spirit is the seal! Believing the gospel that Paul gives in 1 Cor.15:1-4.
Water baptism is never given as a seal, it is a cleaning for Israel to become a kingdom of priests in the coming earthly kingdom. See Ex 19:5,6 cf 1 Peter 2:9.

Hope this helps.
QC

1 Peter 15:21
Again from the NAB

Sealed: by God, in baptism; cf ⇒ Eph 4:30; ⇒ 2 Cor 1:22.

Again I will say, you can’t take a few lines of scripture out of context. You must take everything as a whole.

I guess that is why so many scriptures are misunderstood.

 

[PJM]

=Porknpie;10281435]After reading and reflecting on the sola scriptura thread comments and the frequent disagreement on scripture interpretation, I starting wondering what Catholics and catholics (non-Catholics) thought were the most mis-understood bible verses? While the number of responses could likely fill a book on its own, a few suggestions per post would be interesting to read…and discuss.

:coffeeread:
(Dunkin Donnuts today minus the donut)

Too Easy

John 2:5 HANDS DOWN! "5] His mother saith to the waiters: Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye

Whatever God says; Do it!

 

[JustaServant]

Too Easy

John 2:5 HANDS DOWN! "5] His mother saith to the waiters: Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye

Whatever God says; Do it!

Ever hear the one about the guy who looked at the Bible like a magic book? He just opened it, put his finger on the verse, and that was his verse for the day.
So he came to that verse “Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye”, so he go curious as to what that was. He closed the Bible, opened again, put his finger on the verse that said Judus “went out and hanged himself”!! So he thought, that can’t be right, so did it again and put his finger on the verse that said “what you do, do quickly”.
Old Baptist pulpit joke.

 

[fred_conty]

The most misunderstood verse is Luke 22;44:

“his sweat became as drops of blood running down upon the ground” (Rheims)
“his sweat fell to the ground like great drops of blood” (Jerusalem 66)
“his sweat became like drops of blood falling on the ground” (NAB)
“his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground” (NIV)

It dosen’t say “sweat drops of blood”

It says “like or as drops of blood”.

So it means he DID NOT sweat blood.

Just a thought.

 

[PRmerger]

The most misunderstood verse is Luke 22;44:

“his sweat became as drops of blood running down upon the ground” (Rheims)
“his sweat fell to the ground like great drops of blood” (Jerusalem 66)
“his sweat became like drops of blood falling on the ground” (NAB)
“his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground” (NIV)

It dosen’t say “sweat drops of blood”

It says “like or as drops of blood”.

So it means he DID NOT sweat blood.

Just a thought.

Interesting!

 

[Kelfa28]

I didn’t read the entire thread…it’s pretty big…so forgive me if this was been mentioned.

But I do think the first chapter of Genesis is very misunderstood.

Did God create the Universe in six 24 hour days? Did those days represent 1000 years each or more?
Is it a literal or figurative passage?

 

[JonNC]

I didn’t read the entire thread…it’s pretty big…so forgive me if this was been mentioned.

But I do think the first chapter of Genesis is very misunderstood.

Did God create the Universe in six 24 hour days? Did those days represent 1000 years each or more?
Is it a literal or figurative passage?

I think the greater importance is that He created it, to His glory and our benefit.

Jon

 

[Arizona_Samson]

After reading and reflecting on the sola scriptura thread comments and the frequent disagreement on scripture interpretation, I starting wondering what Catholics and catholics (non-Catholics) thought were the most mis-understood bible verses?

In my opinion it’s the following two by a long shot:

And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. ~ Matt 16:18

and,

****“The one who hears you hears Me, and the one who rejects you rejects Me, and the one who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me.” ****~ Luke 10:16

 

[Arizona_Samson]

I think the greater importance is that He created it, to His glory and our benefit.

Jon

 

[MartinJordan]

Gal 2 : 11-14?

Several non-Catholics I know use this to demonstrate that Peter fails as the “so called,Pope” thus the opinion that he is a proper leader goes out the window.

My own answer is why doesn’t Paul lambast Peter by calling him Simon? However Paul calls him Cephas twice as he explains why scolded him.Thus Paul accepts “Simon” as the Rock or pre-eminence to the rest of the Apostles ie In Honor of Peter’s Office.

Just thinking

MJ

 

[Kelfa28]

I think the greater importance is that He created it, to His glory and our benefit.

Jon

Well…yeah…I know that.

That’s my usual argument when I hear people get into creationism as it pertains to Genesis.

I hear this argument fairly often, though.

 

[QuickCat]

No it is present tense. It does matter. Jesus is referring to the now not some distant time.

They were given authority to forgive sins. You believe than that this earthly kingdom will still have sinners? In the coming earthly kingdom, people will still sin? What do you mean by earthly kingdom? Oh please give me documentation.
God promised the people of Israel a Land, a King, and a Kingdom. Their nation was to eventually become a nation of priests to bring salvation to the Gentiles nations. In the Old Testament, it was no mystery that Israel would someday spread the Word of God to all nations. But, it was prophesied to be after the Messiah had come and set up His kingdom centered in Jerusalem.

• Genesis 12:7 – Land
• Genesis 17:19; 26:3-4; 28:13-14 – Covenant – Israel
• Isaiah 9:6-7 – King (Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, etc.)
• Isaiah 59:20 – Redeemer of Israel (Psalm 130:8; Zechariah 13:1)
• Exodus 19:5,6 – Israel’s role in the future kingdom (1 Peter 2:9)
• Zechariah 8:3, 7-8 , 13, 20-23 – Jerusalem, re-gathering, blessing
• Isaiah 61:5-6 – Gentiles will grow the crops for Israel
• Micah 4:1-2 – Last days, many nations (Isaiah 2:2)

They were still clinging to the idea that the messiah would be a political leader. That Jesus would restore self-rule to the country. When this didn’t happen, they wondered if it would take place then. The idea of an earthly kingdom was their misunderstanding. Just as they misunderstood that Jesus would return soon.

They didn’t misunderstand at all. Our Lord Jesus Christ had just spent 40 days teaching them about this earthly kingdom. We are told that “He opened their understanding of the Scriptures” [Luke 24:49.

from the NAB

1 Peter 15:21 Has Israel in view. Remember that Peter was an apostle to the circumcision [Gal. 2:9].
Again from the NAB

Again I will say, you can’t take a few lines of scripture out of context. You must take everything as a whole.

I guess that is why so many scriptures are misunderstood.

I have not taken Scriptures "out of context.: “On the contrary” [as our apostle Paul would say] I have been very careful to quote them in context.
QC

 

[Porknpie]

Arizona, you very well may be right…along with John 6.

In my opinion it’s the following two by a long shot:

And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. ~ Matt 16:18

Interesting though what St. Augustine says…bishops with apostolic succession…from the See of St Peter.

“Number the bishops from the See of Peter itself. And in that order of Fathers see who has succeeded whom. That is the rock against which the gates of hell do not prevail” Augustine, Psalm against the Party of Donatus, 18 (A.D. 393).

****“The one who hears you hears Me, and the one who rejects you rejects Me, and the one who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me.” ****~ Luke 10:16

Big question here on what the word “you” means. And the word “hears”. Today, there are a lot of “ones” hearing a lot of “you’s” saying and teaching different things on faith and morals.

St Augustine would say go to the one with the See of Peter to hear the Truth. He too, like Christ in Matthew 16 refers to one rock…singular.

 

[adrift]

I have not taken Scriptures "out of context.: “On the contrary” [as our apostle Paul would say] I have been very careful to quote them in context.
QC

What you are speaking to is the return of Jesus. It will not be the Apostles forgiving sins. None of what you quoted speaks to that premise. Jesus is the judge John 5:26-27 Matthew 24:31. As you have already mentioned, the Apostles will participate but exactly how has not been revealed. To apply the power to forgive sins here is taking it out of context. As I have pointed out, Jesus was speaking in the present tense not a future tense.

They didn’t misunderstand at all. Our Lord Jesus Christ had just spent 40 days teaching them about this earthly kingdom. We are told that “He opened their understanding of the Scriptures”

Matthew 28 17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him; but some doubted.

 

[PJM]

=JustaServant;10311461]Ever hear the one about the guy who looked at the Bible like a magic book? He just opened it, put his finger on the verse, and that was his verse for the day.
So he came to that verse “Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye”, so he go curious as to what that was. He closed the Bible, opened again, put his finger on the verse that said Judus “went out and hanged himself”!! So he thought, that can’t be right, so did it again and put his finger on the verse that said “what you do, do quickly”.
Old Baptist pulpit joke.

LOVED IT shame on me:blush:

THANKS,
pat

 

[Meshakhad]

The Sixth Commandment. It is not “Thou Shalt Not Kill” but “Thou Shalt Not Murder”. The absolute pacifist interpretation makes no sense when you consider the numerous provisions for capital punishment in Mosaic Law, as well as commandments regarding the conduct of war.

 

[adf417]

The Sixth Commandment. It is not “Thou Shalt Not Kill” but “Thou Shalt Not Murder”. The absolute pacifist interpretation makes no sense when you consider the numerous provisions for capital punishment in Mosaic Law, as well as commandments regarding the conduct of war.

Interesting!!!