What are the most really convincing arguments to "why is the Christian God the REAL, TRUE God"?

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I’ve seen several arguments for the existence x non existence of a God, and after weighing them, I’m convinced there is a God, or that there are Gods. I think being convinced that there IS a God is the easy part (I don’t want to focus on this part in this thread, because there are sevral threads on this topic). But, there are very few really good convincing aruments that explain why, from all the thousands of human-created (? or not!) deities, the one true God is the Christian God. Just because the cult survived up to date isn’t good enough. Nor it is the martyrdom of the Apostles. The same arguments could all be used to defend the Muslim faith, for example.

Why is not the Muslim God The One? Or perhaps, Brahma? Taoist deities? Wicca/Pagan Gods? Zoroastrian Gods? Sumerian/Babylonian deities? All of them seem eligible. Most of them are even much older than the Judeo-Christian faith, even if their belief in them is extinct. Sumerian / Babylonian deities would make a lot of sense, since they created the humans to work for them, and they found the humans to be a lot of trouble and abandoned them on their own (explains why their cult “died” to date).
 
well for one Christianity has the most historical and archaeological evidence supporting it
 
There’s only one God. There’s not a “Christian” God and a bunch of other gods. There’s just the One.

The issue is actually what can we know about God, what are the most reliable sources, besides the Source Himself, for information about God? I personally think if God is going to come and talk to us Himself, then it makes sense that this is the most reliable source.
 
There’s only one God. There’s not a “Christian” God and a bunch of other gods. There’s just the One.

The issue is actually what can we know about God, what are the most reliable sources, besides the Source Himself, for information about God? I personally think if God is going to come and talk to us Himself, then it makes sense that this is the most reliable source.
yes this is True

Jesus said he was God and would prove it by his resurrection from the dead. Over 500 people saw Jesus physically alive after he rose from the dead. There would be no Christianity if this were not true.
 
Not sure yet. So far, I simply have a leaning to one of the stories. Not sure any of it is very convincing really. I simply admit that I have a preference and soft spot for this Mother of Jesus also known as Theotokos or Mary. No evidence for it at all. No personal experiences of miracles at all. Wishful thinking that such a person existed, and cares for us… well, got me there.
 
Sumerian / Babylonian deities would make a lot of sense, since they created the humans to work for them, and they found the humans to be a lot of trouble and abandoned them on their own (explains why their cult “died” to date).
How is a GOD that NEEDS humans to work for them a logically plausible possibility? 🤷
if a GOD has a CREATIVE power, why would they NEED the HARD WORK of MEN? 🤷
 
Not sure yet. So far, I simply have a leaning to one of the stories. Not sure any of it is very convincing really. I simply admit that I have a preference and soft spot for this Mother of Jesus also known as Theotokos or Mary. No evidence for it at all. No personal experiences of miracles at all. Wishful thinking that such a person existed, and cares for us… well, got me there.
I wanna know which story! Please?
 
As I understand it, an apologist (such as C.S. Lewis) would very much focus on the person of Jesus – the Incarnation. Who was this extraordinary person and did he know what he was talking about? He seems to have known.

That is not to say that others, too, have not seemed to have known – Gandhi seems to have known something, as does the Dalai Lama. I think the enlightened Catholic would concede that the nature of God is reflected–and revealed–in the best and finest specimens of our humanity, though it is to Christ alone that they give the palm.

This also reminded me of something Gandhi wrote on the subject:

"Sense perceptions can be and often are false and deceptive, however real they may appear to us. Where there is realization outside the senses it is infallible. It is proved not by extraneous evidence but in the transformed conduct and character of those who have felt the real presence of God within. Such testimony is to be found in the experiences of an unbroken line of prophets and sages in all countries and climes. To reject this evidence is to deny oneself. "

In other words, for the empiricist, the nature of God-like people is the closest we can get to direct proof or of seeing God face to face.
 
The reason is found in the history of the Jewish people and the prophesies fortelling the coming of Christ, the Son of God and then the actual coming of Christ and the founding of His Church and the unfolding of the plan of salvation for all men and all nations. The Divinity of Christ was proven by the hundreds of miracles he worked and that the Apostles worked in His Name. The Holy Spirit appears at the Baptism of Jesus and God the Father spoke from heaven at the same time bearing witness to the Divinity of Jesus. Indeed there is only one God, but three Persons in the one God. And indeed there can only be one God.

You could get a good Catholic Bible and read about the history of salvation there. I would get the NAB Revised edition. And you can read the Catechism of the Catholic Church here: vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

Hope this helps. 👍👍
 
I’ve seen several arguments for the existence x non existence of a God, and after weighing them, I’m convinced there is a God, or that there are Gods. I think being convinced that there IS a God is the easy part (I don’t want to focus on this part in this thread, because there are sevral threads on this topic). But, there are very few really good convincing aruments that explain why, from all the thousands of human-created (? or not!) deities, the one true God is the Christian God. Just because the cult survived up to date isn’t good enough. Nor it is the martyrdom of the Apostles. The same arguments could all be used to defend the Muslim faith, for example.
Ah yes. It is the inherent weakness in Pascal’s Wager that if you choose incorrectly then there are eternal consequences. However, I don’t think that reason leaves us floating in the dark. But I’m afraid there is nothing to it but examine and decide to the best of your abilities where truth can be found.

'm too tired to think of specifics, but I believe Thomas Aquinas wrote on why the supreme being that philosophy dictates is represented by the Christian God. Similarly, you might also want to check out the works of contemporary Christian philosopher Alvin Plantinga. He argues that if Christianity is true, it can be demonstrated that we can be warranted in believing it. The same thing cannot be said of all religions. Perhaps, you might want to make this test of those religions you determine best represent the truth.

I sympathize with your problem, because I have thought that if I were not born into a Christian family, I wouldn’t know how to cross from believing in a higher being and determining which religion best reveals that being.
 
Why is not the Muslim God The One? Or perhaps, Brahma? Taoist deities? Wicca/Pagan Gods? Zoroastrian Gods? Sumerian/Babylonian deities? All of them seem eligible. Most of them are even much older than the Judeo-Christian faith, even if their belief in them is extinct. Sumerian / Babylonian deities would make a lot of sense, since they created the humans to work for them, and they found the humans to be a lot of trouble and abandoned them on their own (explains why their cult “died” to date).
I don’t think you can deduce the nature of God by yourself, as that depends primarily on revelation.

However, I think you can make a strong case for monotheism, following logic. I like Peter Kreeft’s description of God in the Cosmological argument:
Peter Kreeft:
But does the universe as a whole have a cause? Is there a first cause, an uncaused cause, a transcendent cause of the whole chain of causes? If not, then there is an infinite regress of causes, with no first link in the great cosmic chain. If so, then there is an eternal, necessary, independent, self-explanatory being with nothing above it, before it, or supporting it. It would have to explain itself as well as everything else, for if it needed something else as its explanation, its reason, its cause, then it would not be the first and uncaused cause. Such a being would have to be God, of course. If we can prove there is such a first cause, we will have proved there is a God.
By His very nature and definition, God must be singular - there cannot be other “gods.”

I’m not sure what else to say, but I chose to believe in a loving God, and tried to follow everything that logically meant.

Hope that helps & good luck
 
I’ve seen several arguments for the existence x non existence of a God, and after weighing them, I’m convinced there is a God, or that there are Gods. I think being convinced that there IS a God is the easy part (I don’t want to focus on this part in this thread, because there are sevral threads on this topic). But, there are very few really good convincing aruments that explain why, from all the thousands of human-created (? or not!) deities, the one true God is the Christian God. Just because the cult survived up to date isn’t good enough. Nor it is the martyrdom of the Apostles. The same arguments could all be used to defend the Muslim faith, for example.

Why is not the Muslim God The One? Or perhaps, Brahma? Taoist deities? Wicca/Pagan Gods? Zoroastrian Gods? Sumerian/Babylonian deities? All of them seem eligible. Most of them are even much older than the Judeo-Christian faith, even if their belief in them is extinct. Sumerian / Babylonian deities would make a lot of sense, since they created the humans to work for them, and they found the humans to be a lot of trouble and abandoned them on their own (explains why their cult “died” to date).
While I’m inclined to say there is no good reason to identify the god of natural theology with the hebraic deity (quite the opposite, id suggest), whether or not a Christian apologetic could successfully identify the god u believe in with their god depends on what yours is like.
 
Saw this post in another thread, thought it might be relevant to OP.
It reminds me of the “Great Undeniable Miracle” thesis that has been put forth in various forms throughout history. Each generation, group or individual who
advances this thesis thinks that he or they are the first ever to articulate it. In a nutshell, it says something like this: If there is a God, why doesn’t He simply perform a miracle that will be seen by everyone in the world at the same time, and be so large, so awesome, that there could not possibly be any natural explanation for it? People would have no choice but to believe. This, of course, is not possible so long as we have free will. No one is forced to believe. No matter how great the miracle, someone will come up with a scientific explanation for it. This will occur because we have free will; no one must believe, and human tendency will always find reasons not to believe. Sometimes, as in the case of our Blessed Mother, they will find reasons to believe some, but not all, aspects of the faith.
take care
 
There’s only one God. There’s not a “Christian” God and a bunch of other gods. There’s just the One.

The issue is actually what can we know about God, what are the most reliable sources, besides the Source Himself, for information about God? I personally think if God is going to come and talk to us Himself, then it makes sense that this is the most reliable source.
I have put this on several other threads. To understand it fully you will have to refer to Thomas’ Summa Theologica Book 1, Question 2, Article 3 available on NewAdvent.org.

May I offer a few comments? Some are forgetting the key to the first way. It is precisely this. Thomas says "…whatever is in motion is put in motion by another, for nothing can be in motion except it is in potentiality to that toward which it is in motion; whereas a thing moves in as much as it is in act.

This means that " …a certain potentiallity is actualized by something whose potentiality is itself actualized by something whose potentiality is itself actualized by ( something whose potentiality is actualized by, etc ) and so on…such a series can only possibly terminate in something which is not reduced to act or actualized by anything else, but which just isin act or actual and thus " unmoving "…Eventually this regress must terminate in something which here and now actualizes potentialities without itself being actualized, an unmoved mover. " ( Edward Feser, in Aquinas, pg 73)

So the Unmoved Mover ( Aristotle’s Prime Mover as interpreted by Aquinas) is Actus Purus or pure actuality having no potentiality whatsoever. Such a being, a Pure Actuality is immediately recognized by Christians as God.

Several things must be seen about such an Acutality. First, it must be outside the ontological members of the series since it is a pure actuality having no potentiality whereas the members of the series are all beings composed of actuality and potentiality.

Secondly such a series could actually be eternal since the Unmoved Mover itself is outside the series ontologically. One of our posters objected that an Unmoved Mover would not be required if the series was eternal. This answers that objection. It must be remembered that Thomas designed the proof to account for the possibility of an eternal universe. His proof shows that even if the universe is eternal an Unmoved Mover is required. What most people forget is that the Unmoved Mover is ontologically outside the series. Thomas could have made this more clear but he does explain himself in other places. However it is clear from the argument he gave if you think about it thoroughly.

Now it can be shown that all the proofs conclude in a First Something which can indeed be reduced to a Pure Actuality and thus can be identified easily as the Christian God. Thomas will go on in Book 1, Question 3 and following to analyize the nature of the Unmoved Mover, etc. or God. He will show that the First Being, God, has all the characteristics of the Christian God, including Intelligence, Will, Justice, Love, Goodness, Mercy, Personhood, etc. is Omnipotent, Omnescient, Omnipresent and, the creator, maintainer, and orderer of all that exists.

A final point. Christ came once and hardly anyone believed him. Would anyone believe him if he tried again? 👍👍
 
Hello, I’d just like to give my two cents here, and it’s actually nothing new. Philosophers have been pointing this out for a long time now. Hopefully I can do them justice. This could be long so please bear with me. 😃 By the way, many of what I say can be found in this pdf written by the erudite Stratford Caldecott: secondspring.co.uk/articles/Face%20to%20Face.pdf You might want to check this out instead 😃

I think one argument that could really convince, is that Christianity is the only religion that has a belief which “saves” it from the problem of the “One and the Many.” Let me explain. In metaphysics, there is the so called problem of the One and the Many. Basically this problem is on how to reconcile two seemingly opposite “aspects” of the universe, namely unity and difference/distinction. On the one hand, the universe has unity (the One). There is commonality among things in the universe, and things in the universe also seem to “fit” together to form a unity (which is precisely the universe). If there was nothing in common among all things then ultimately there would be no intelligibility; we wouldn’t be able to understand anything because things would be too “different” from each other for us to make any general sense of. Indeed the very fact that we are able to know the things that we know shows that there is something in common with all these knowable things, namely, that they exist.

At the same time though, even as there is unity in the universe, there is also difference or distinction (the Many). Each thing is different from each other thing; nothing is completely alike in all respects. The particularity and individuality of things show this. Although we are all humans, no one human is exactly similar to another human, not even twins. So, again, the problem of the one and the many is how exactly do you reconcile these two opposites? This issue is important not just in speculative philosophy but also in our ethical and practical lives. For example, in making an ethical decision, to whom will we give importance to? The good of the community or the good of the individual. Of course, we would want both, but it is in trying to “make both ends meet,” as it were, that things become challenging. Even the dominant, rival political economies of Capitalism and Socialism/Communism reflect the problem of the one and the many. Capitalism in general tries to value individuality and thus difference/distinction. But Socialism/Communism tries to value the good of the whole and thus unity.

Inevitably, in religion the same problem arises. Indeed it is very important to religion. Religions that tend to emphasize difference over unity might be termed “dualist.” Often the “difference” exists between God/Supreme reality and Creature. These religions basically say that between God and creation there is an absolute and unbridgeable difference. Human beings, though they may worship and even love God, ultimately cannot experience unity with Him. There will always be a separation. A contemporary example is Hindu Madhva Vedanta. You could check it out yourselves.

However, the more common religion seems to be those that emphasize unity over difference/distinction. These could be called “monist” religions. These religions basically say that between God and creation, there is no real difference. Often the difference is just an illusion created by human ignorance and his idea of “self”. In other words, the human being is actually God or the supreme reality, it’s just that he doesn’t know it yet and he needs to be “enlightened.” He needs to realize that he doesn’t really have a unique self, but actually is the supreme reality. So he has to get rid of this idea of “self” (in other words, his sense of difference or distinction) to gain salvation. The major Asian religions often fall in this category. Advaita Vedanta Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism and Taoism all have this idea of losing one’s sense of distinct self to gain salvation.

Now how about Christianity? It seems that Christianity is no different from other major religions in that it also believes in one God or supreme reality. But there is indeed a crucial difference; one which prevents it from sliding into monism or dualism, and instead allows it to transcend the problem of the One and the Many. And this is the doctrine of the Blessed Trinity. The God of Christianity is supreme unity but at the same time it is also supreme distinction because the One God is Three Persons. The problem with other religions is that they tend to prioritize either the many over the one, or more commonly, the one over the many. In a way though, they cannot be blamed because such is the outcome of natural reasoning. From a strictly logical point of view, unity and distinction cannot ultimately coexist -they are mutually exclusive. One has to prevail over the other. It is only through the doctrine of the Blessed Trinity, divinely revealed, and not discovered by human reason, that the problem of the One and the Many is transcended. So unlike the common monist religions, Christianity does not believe that salvation requires denying the individual self. When we go to Heaven, we don’t lose our individuality and realize that we were God all along. We don’t sacrifice our distinction to achieve unity with the supreme reality, because in the supreme reality itself, there is space for distinction. Neither are we dualists who believe that there will be no unity with God because He is too far off or different from us. On the contrary, human beings have the greatest potential to have unity with God precisely because God Himself has first chosen to be united with humanity through Christ’s incarnation and redemptive act. But again, the person of Christ is ultimately rooted in the reality of the Trinity, because Christ is the Second Person after all.
 
I’ve seen several arguments for the existence x non existence of a God, and after weighing them, I’m convinced there is a God, or that there are Gods. I think being convinced that there IS a God is the easy part (I don’t want to focus on this part in this thread, because there are sevral threads on this topic). But, there are very few really good convincing aruments that explain why, from all the thousands of human-created (? or not!) deities, the one true God is the Christian God. Just because the cult survived up to date isn’t good enough. Nor it is the martyrdom of the Apostles. The same arguments could all be used to defend the Muslim faith, for example.

Why is not the Muslim God The One? Or perhaps, Brahma? Taoist deities? Wicca/Pagan Gods? Zoroastrian Gods? Sumerian/Babylonian deities? All of them seem eligible. Most of them are even much older than the Judeo-Christian faith, even if their belief in them is extinct. Sumerian / Babylonian deities would make a lot of sense, since they created the humans to work for them, and they found the humans to be a lot of trouble and abandoned them on their own (explains why their cult “died” to date).
Well, I think the best evidence for why Christianity specifically is historical evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus and I would suggest familiarizing yourself with that. Here are two pop lever articles on the subject and a pop level book, which are fine introductions to the subject. When you are ready, you can go into more difficult books.

The Evidence for Jesus

Historical Evidence for the Resurrection

Lee Strobel, The Case for Christ

The evidence is far more sophisticated than simply “the apostles died for their beliefs, so it must be true.” But even about that I wanted to say something. There is a difference between willing to die in testimony to a fact than in being willing to die for an ideology. So when muslims die for their ideology (or even Christians today for theirs), this is different from the disciples dying because they claimed Jesus rose from the dead. Imagine if I claimed to see have seen a certain main break into a store, and even after torture and death I refused to recant. Wouldn’t this count as good evidence that my testimony was likely to be true?
 
Jesus is very busy now and can not be here to encourage the troops. We must step up and take a hit for the team for a couple thousand years plus until his father is satisfyed by all the suffering there is no limit to. His father needs a lot of suffering in his plan, and there seems to be no end to the need he has for it. But, don’t worry. All this suffering is going to be a part of this plan he will make good. Might take a few more centuries, but it is needed.
Offer it up.
 
While I’m inclined to say there is no good reason to identify the god of natural theology with the hebraic deity (quite the opposite, id suggest), whether or not a Christian apologetic could successfully identify the god u believe in with their god depends on what yours is like.
Perplexity:

So, WE create God.

God bless,
jd
 
Jesus is very busy now and can not be here to encourage the troops. We must step up and take a hit for the team for a couple thousand years plus until his father is satisfyed by all the suffering there is no limit to. His father needs a lot of suffering in his plan, and there seems to be no end to the need he has for it. But, don’t worry. All this suffering is going to be a part of this plan he will make good. Might take a few more centuries, but it is needed.
Offer it up.
None of this is evidence that Jesus did not rise from the dead and, if He did, then we have confirmation of the truth of Christianity, which was the OP’s question.

As to Jesus not being here to “encourage the troops” as you put it, I think there is significant encouragement to be found in his death and Resurrection from the dead. If that does not indicate hope for the morning beyond a night of suffering, then nothing does. Second, there is encouragement to be found in his continuing presence in the Eucharist.

As to your complaints about God allowing suffering, you seem under the mistaken impression that it is God’s job to create a nice little terrarium for his human pets. That was not the point of Jesus’ coming. Instead, what He really wants is that people should come into a loving relationship with Him in this life to enjoy eternal happiness in the next. As the Pope says, Jesus did not come to bring world peace, He came to bring God, that people could know Him, enter into that relationship with Him, and rise from the dead with Him. And when that happens all the suffering of the earth will appear as a small speck compared to eternity.
 
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