What are the Novus Ordo latin responses?

[Juliannarose]

Sometimes in a Novus Ordo Mass there is a bit of Latin. Kyrie Eleison is one of them (can somebody give me the whole thing) and what other Latin prayers or responses are typically occasionally said at a Novus Ordo Mass (with English translation please)?

I also have heard “Sanctus, Sanctus, Sanctus” is the rest of the “Holy, Holy, Holy” prayer ever said in Latin in a Novus Ordo Mass?

 

[Bookcat]

Kyrie Eleison is Greek not Latin.

One can have I imagine all sorts of Latin in the* Ordinary Form* (not called the Novus Ordo…sort of a misnomer there) when done in English.

The Daily Roman Missal put out by MTF and Scepter et al has for example as I recall the Psalm response verses in Latin.

Of course the whole Mass can be in Latin.

 

[Juliannarose]

Ok, well, I’m always stuck whenever there is Latin or Greek responses in Mass and I have no idea what they are so I end up not saying them at all. When I ask, I’m told to look them up online.

My parish is fairly traditional and we have several responses in latin/greek. I don’t know what they are, but I heard the same ones at my other parish several states away. Any ideas what the are?

 

[Deo_Gratias42]

Are you talking about the sung parts?

The Kyrie is Greek, but it’s:

Kyrie Eleison
Kyrie Eleison
Christe Eleison
Christe Eleison
Kyrie Eleison
Kyrie Eleison

NOTE They might be doing it the EF way, which would mean it’s 9 fold, not 6 fold.

The Gloria,
Glória in excélsis Deo
et in terra pax homínibus bonae voluntátis.
Laudámus te,
benedícimus te,
adorámus te,
glorificámus te,
grátias ágimus tibi propter magnam glóriam tuam,
Dómine Deus, Rex cæléstis,
Deus Pater omnípotens.
Dómine Fili Unigénite, Iesu Christe,
Dómine Deus, Agnus Dei, Fílius Patris,
qui tollis peccáta mundi, miserére nobis;
qui tollis peccáta mundi, súscipe deprecatiónem nostram.
Qui sedes ad déxteram Patris, miserére nobis.
Quóniam tu solus Sanctus, tu solus Dóminus, tu solus Altíssimus,
Iesu Christe, cum Sancto Spíritu: in glória Dei Patris. Amen

The Sanctus
Sanctus, Sanctus, Sanctus
Dominus Deus Sabaoth.
Pleni sunt caeli et terra gloria tua.
Hosanna in excelsis.
Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini.
Hosanna in excelsis

The Agnus Dei
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccáta mundi, miserére nobis.
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccáta mundi, miserére nobis.
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccáta mundi, dona nobis pacem.

 

[Bookcat]

You could get the Missal or the Handbook of Prayers…both will have the Latin (or Greek) and the translation in English for the Ordinary form (the missal is well a missal and will have a pretty much everything…the handbook has the main parts of the Mass)

scepterpublishers.org/product/index.php?FULL=118 or at MidWest Theological Forum’s website

I imagine you could find other sources online as well…but these would be a book form you can take with you.

 

[YoungTradCath]

Latin and Greek responses

P = priest (or someone else occasionally), R = response (you)

Liturgy of the Word
P: Dominus vobiscum/Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum/Pax vobis/any of the greetings
R: Et cum spiritu tuo

P:Kyrie, eleison
R: Kyrie, eleison
P:Christe, eleison
R: Christe, eleison
P: Kyrie, eleison
R: Kyrie, eleison

Gloria here

Readings
P: Verbum Domini
R: Deo gratias

Gospel
P: Lectio Sancti Evangelii…
R: Gloria tibi, Domine
(after):
P: Verbum Domini
R: Laus tibi, Christe
…

Credo here

Some other stuff, but unlikely to be in Latin

Liturgy of the Eucharist This is the more complicated stuff
P: Orate, fratres: ut meum ac vestrum sacrifícium acceptabile fiat apud Deum Patrem omnipotentem.
R: Suscípiat Dominus sacrifícium de manibus tuis ad laudem et gloriam nominis sui, ad utilitatem quoque nostram totiusque Ecclesiæ suæ sanctæ.

…

P: Dominus vobiscum
R: Et cum spiritu tuo
P: Sursum corda
R: Habemus ad Dominum
P: Gratias agamus Domino Deo nostro.
R: Dignum et iustum est

Sanctus here

Eucharistic prayer here

P: Per ipsum, et cum ipso, et in ipso, est tibi Deo Patri omnipotenti, in unitate Spiritus Sancti, omnis honor et gloria per omnia sæcula sæculorum.
R: Amen

P: Præceptis salutaribus moniti, et divina institutione formati, audemus dicere:
R: Pater noster here
P: Lalalalalalla…
R: Quia tuum est regnum, et potestas, et gloria in sæcula
P: Lalalalala…
R: Amen

Agnus Dei here

P: Ecce Agnus Dei, ecce qui tollit peccata mundi. Beati qui ad cenam Agni vocati sunt.
R: Domine, non sum dignus, ut intres sub tectum meum, sed tantum dic verbo, et sanabitur anima mea.

P: Corpus/Sanguis Christi
R: Amen

P: Lalalallalala…

P: Benedicat vos omnipotens Deus, Pater, et Filius, et Spiritus Sanctus.
R: Amen
P: Ite, missa est/something else
R: Deo gratias

FINIS. I could have linked to something, but this was fun to type. This isn’t complete, but it is generally enough to get you through a mass. If you want to memorize the Gloria, Sanctus, Agnus Dei, they are above. I highly recommend you go buy a missal.

 

[thomas_jd]

Sometimes in a Novus Ordo Mass there is a bit of Latin. Kyrie Eleison is one of them (can somebody give me the whole thing) and what other Latin prayers or responses are typically occasionally said at a Novus Ordo Mass (with English translation please)?

I also have heard “Sanctus, Sanctus, Sanctus” is the rest of the “Holy, Holy, Holy” prayer ever said in Latin in a Novus Ordo Mass?

The complete response is often used at mass. "sanctus,sanctus,…

I have attended two masses , Ordinary form " Novus Ordo ," celebrated in latin except for the readings and the homily! Seems to be a rare occurence.

 

[OraLabora]

Are you talking about the sung parts?

The Kyrie is Greek, but it’s:

Kyrie Eleison
Kyrie Eleison
Christe Eleison
Christe Eleison
Kyrie Eleison
Kyrie Eleison

NOTE They might be doing it the EF way, which would mean it’s 9 fold, not 6 fold.

The Gloria,
Glória in excélsis Deo
et in terra pax homínibus bonae voluntátis.
Laudámus te,
benedícimus te,
adorámus te,
glorificámus te,
grátias ágimus tibi propter magnam glóriam tuam,
Dómine Deus, Rex cæléstis,
Deus Pater omnípotens.
Dómine Fili Unigénite, Iesu Christe,
Dómine Deus, Agnus Dei, Fílius Patris,
qui tollis peccáta mundi, miserére nobis;
qui tollis peccáta mundi, súscipe deprecatiónem nostram.
Qui sedes ad déxteram Patris, miserére nobis.
Quóniam tu solus Sanctus, tu solus Dóminus, tu solus Altíssimus,
Iesu Christe, cum Sancto Spíritu: in glória Dei Patris. Amen

The Sanctus
Sanctus, Sanctus, Sanctus
Dominus Deus Sabaoth.
Pleni sunt caeli et terra gloria tua.
Hosanna in excelsis.
Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini.
Hosanna in excelsis

The Agnus Dei
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccáta mundi, miserére nobis.
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccáta mundi, miserére nobis.
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccáta mundi, dona nobis pacem.

Whether the Kyrie is 9-fold or 6-fold is related to the degree of solemnity and not the form of the Mass. The Graduale Romanum for the OF has 9-fold kyries that are used on various occasions.

 

[Bookcat]

P: Præceptis salutaribus moniti, et divina institutione formati, audemus dicere:
R: Pater noster here
P: Lalalalalalla…
R: Quia tuum est regnum, et potestas, et gloria in sæcula
P: Lalalalala…
R: Amen
*

oh…oh…Elmo has been ordained a Priest?

 

[MarkThompson]

Whether the Kyrie is 9-fold or 6-fold is related to the degree of solemnity and not the form of the Mass. The Graduale Romanum for the OF has 9-fold kyries that are used on various occasions.

That is not correct. In the modern form of the Mass, the Kyrie is six-fold. However, the GIRM (¶ 52) concedes:
Each acclamation is usually pronounced twice, though it is not to be excluded that it be repeated several times, by reason of the character of the various languages, as well as of the artistry of the music or of other circumstances.
So it has nothing to do with the solemnity of the occasion, except indirectly, inasmuch as most places won’t be singing from the Graduale on un-solemn occasions.

 

[ProVobis]

Are you talking about the sung parts?

The Kyrie is Greek, but it’s:

Kyrie Eleison
Kyrie Eleison
Christe Eleison
Christe Eleison
Kyrie Eleison
Kyrie Eleison

NOTE They might be doing it the EF way, which would mean it’s 9 fold, not 6 fold.

I think it could be done the “EF way” if a classical version (such as Palestrina) is used.

 

[OraLabora]

I think it could be done the “EF way” if a classical version (such as Palestrina) is used.

Or if the 1974 Graduale Romanum or Gregorian Missal is used and the Kyrie appropriate for the occasion is selected.

 

[Fone_Bone_2001]

Sometimes in a Novus Ordo Mass there is a bit of Latin. Kyrie Eleison is one of them (can somebody give me the whole thing) and what other Latin prayers or responses are typically occasionally said at a Novus Ordo Mass (with English translation please)?

I also have heard “Sanctus, Sanctus, Sanctus” is the rest of the “Holy, Holy, Holy” prayer ever said in Latin in a Novus Ordo Mass?

Yes, it sometimes is.

As Bookcat explained, an Ordinary Form Mass might be entirely in Latin (well, except the homily, and the Kyrie which is in Greek). The Ordinary Form does not mandate the vernacular but rather *permits *it. Thus I have occasionally heard of Latin Masses in the Ordinary Form.

In fact, the official version of the Ordinary Form is in Latin. The vernacular translations of the various Mass parts are translations of this default Latin version. It was the Latin Ordinary Form that served as the base text, for instance, of this new English translation we now use.

 

[ProVobis]

Yes, it sometimes is.

As Bookcat explained, an Ordinary Form Mass might be entirely in Latin (well, except the homily, and the Kyrie which is in Greek).

And the Hebrew Sabaoth* in the Sanctus as well. These (Latin, Hebrew, Greek) represent the three languages of the inscription on the cross.

• translated as Hosts in the English, but the Latin Mass leaves it untranslated.

 

[YoungTradCath]

That is not correct. In the modern form of the Mass, the Kyrie is six-fold. However, the GIRM (¶ 52) concedes:
Each acclamation is usually pronounced twice, though it is not to be excluded that it be repeated several times, by reason of the character of the various languages, as well as of the artistry of the music or of other circumstances.
So it has nothing to do with the solemnity of the occasion, except indirectly, inasmuch as most places won’t be singing from the Graduale on un-solemn occasions.

Yep.

I think it could be done the “EF way” if a classical version (such as Palestrina) is used.

In which case no one except the choir would likely be singing it.

And the Hebrew Sabaoth* in the Sanctus as well. These (Latin, Hebrew, Greek) represent the three languages of the inscription on the cross.

• translated as Hosts in the English, but the Latin Mass leaves it untranslated.

And “hosanna,” right?

 

[Fone_Bone_2001]

And the Hebrew Sabaoth* in the Sanctus as well. These (Latin, Hebrew, Greek) represent the three languages of the inscription on the cross.

• translated as Hosts in the English, but the Latin Mass leaves it untranslated.

Oh, I never realized that! That’s awesome.

 

[YoungTradCath]

Oh, I never realized that! That’s awesome.

I watched a video last night made by a Jesuit. He said that there was a lot of argument in ICEL about whether or not “sabaoth” should be restored to the mass in the English translation, that is, leaving it in Hebrew as it was in the so-called “Latin” mass. Apparently, a compromise was made to translate it, but to translate it as “hosts,” which the priest was clear in saying is what they think it means, but aren’t actually 100% sure. I would love to hear, “Holy, holy, holy Lord God sabaoth…” Alas, it just might happen eventually! Missale Romanum v2.4, anyone?

 

[drforjc]

I watched a video last night made by a Jesuit. He said that there was a lot of argument in ICEL about whether or not “sabaoth” should be restored to the mass in the English translation, that is, leaving it in Hebrew as it was in the so-called “Latin” mass. Apparently, a compromise was made to translate it, but to translate it as “hosts,” which the priest was clear in saying is what they think it means, but aren’t actually 100% sure. I would love to hear, “Holy, holy, holy Lord God sabaoth…” Alas, it just might happen eventually! Missale Romanum v2.4, anyone?

When I used to be a Missouri Synod Lutheran that was almost exactly what we sang…

 

[OraLabora]

That is not correct. In the modern form of the Mass, the Kyrie is six-fold. However, the GIRM (¶ 52) concedes:
Each acclamation is usually pronounced twice, though it is not to be excluded that it be repeated several times, by reason of the character of the various languages, as well as of the artistry of the music or of other circumstances.
So it has nothing to do with the solemnity of the occasion, except indirectly, inasmuch as most places won’t be singing from the Graduale on un-solemn occasions.

Key words being “usually” and “artistry of the music”. The 1974 Graduale Romanum remains the official chant book for the OF, and if one follows it faithfully, “the artistry of the music” means the 9-fold Kyries are for major solemnities, for example solemnities of the BVM.

Moreover in the EF the main Kyrie for Sundays per annum is Kyrie XI which is 6-fold.

So I stand by my assertion that the repetitions in the Kyrie are not related to the form of the Mass but the class of feast or day, in both forms, as any perusal of the Liber Usualis (EF) or Graduale Romanum would show.

Sorry for being so nitpicky but I am sensitive to folks claiming an official dilution of the OF where it doesn’t exist, and just because the reality differs from what is allowed does not mean it’s universal or disallowed. While rare in parishes it does happen (our schola for instance) and it happens in the several communities still using the GR which would include most of the Benedictines of the Solesmes congregation. And they are the reference when it comes to Gregorian chant as the Vatican has delegated to Solesmes the task of preserving Gregorian chant.

 

[ProVobis]

And “hosanna,” right?

The sounds of “hosanna” and “amen” and “alleluia” would be difficult to discard in any language.