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I am a youngin’, and I was wondering what the origins of two acts during the Mass were that are done by older members of the parish. First, during the Confiteor, the individuals strike their left breast with a closed hand at the words “that I have sinned through my own fault”. The second occurs during the Nicene Creed, the congregants bow their heads at the "For us men and for our salvation He came down from heaven; by the power of the Holy Spirit He was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man. " What is the origin of these acts, and are they still a part of the Liturgy or no longer taught in the Church??? Thanks and God Bless.
 
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5. Beating the Breast

Next we come to the Confiteor although unfortunately this option of the Penitential rite is not always used. During the words mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa, there is the gesture of striking the breast. This is a sign of repentance, of humility, like the parable of the Pharisee and publican in the Gospel:
But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying: “0 God, be merciful to me a sinner!” (Lk 18:13)

In the Missal of Pius V, the rubric for this gesture was very specific: “He strikes his breast three times, saying: mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.” The rubric in the Missal of Paul VI is less precise. It simply says: "striking themselves on the breast they say mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa." To make matters more confusing, in the English translation, the words are not repeated three times, but only once: "I confess to Almighty God, and to you my brothers and sisters, that I have sinned through my own fault, in my thoughts and in my words, in what I have done and in what I have failed to do…"

The gesture is still there, although both words and gesture have been much reduced. The words express our repentance verbally. Striking the breast expresses our repentance physically, in body language.

Guardini has something to say about this gesture too. He asks the question: "What is the significance of this striking the breast? All its meaning lies in its being rightly done. To brush one’s clothes with the tip of one’s fingers is not to strike the breast. We should beat upon our breasts with our closed fists. In the old picture of Saint Jerome in the desert he is kneeling on the ground and striking his breast with a stone. It is an honest blow, not an elegant gesture. To strike the breast is to beat against the gates of our inner world in order to shatter them. This is its significance."

Perhaps we should take this gesture more seriously than we ordinarily do. In monastic spirituality, there is an ancient tradition called penthos in Greek, or compunctio in Latin: a profound attitude of repentance for our sins, and not only for our own, but also for those of the whole world. St. Benedict says: "We know that our prayers will not be heard on account of many words, but because of purity of heart, compunction, and tears" (RB 20:3). In another. place, he says: During Lent, “let us guard ourselves from every vice, and dedicate ourselves to prayer with tears, to reading, to compunction of heart and to fasting” (RB 49:4).

Perhaps someone will object: those are fine sentiments for the older days, for a spirituality of centuries gone by, but it’s not suitable for today! Pius XII once said that the overriding sin of our twentieth century is a loss of the sense of sin. And Pope John Paul II quotes this saying of Pius XII in his apostolic exhortation Reconciliation and Penance.

It’s true. We as a people, and we as Catholics - have lost the sense of sin. The gesture of striking the breast, made carefully and with full awareness, can communicate to ourselves and to others more than mere words can say, that we recognize our sinfulness and publicly declare our sorrow for our sins
 
As far as bowing our heads as part of the Nicene Creed. We are still supposed to do that as part of the new norms for the GIRM. Not all parishes have adopted all aspects of the General Instructions for the Roman Missal. If your’s has not, be patient it will eventually be coming. At least one can hope.
 
This is just a thought. Since the Protestants are so varied in their Doctrines and practices I am wondering if we Catholics are now becoming different in our pratoces.

50 years ago if you attended Mass you would see 99% of the people practucing the same prayers & gestures. But now there are different gestures in most every church.

On Friday I went to the 8:00 AM Mass and they put up a projected “Our Father” on the wall - there were TWO CHANGES in the “Our Faather”. Why would any one change the “Our Father?” Then no one bowed and then they wanted to HOLD HANDS…wow! Are these Catholics the real thing or some varient?

Just a thought.
 
Exporter,

There is a lot of poor catechesis and widespread dissent today in the Church. What you point out is definitely true in many places and it saddens and frightens me.

Could you elaborate on what changes were being proposed for the “Our Father”? This sounds like something that should be reported to the Bishop immediately.
 
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slinky1882:
I am a youngin’, and I was wondering what the origins of two acts during the Mass were that are done by older members of the parish. First, during the Confiteor, the individuals strike their left breast with a closed hand at the words “that I have sinned through my own fault”. The second occurs during the Nicene Creed, the congregants bow their heads at the "For us men and for our salvation He came down from heaven; by the power of the Holy Spirit He was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man. " What is the origin of these acts, and are they still a part of the Liturgy or no longer taught in the Church??? Thanks and God Bless.
First, during the Confiteor, the individuals strike their left breast with a closed hand at the words “that I have sinned through my own fault”.

This is simply a personal act acknowledging our sinfulness. Once found in the rubrics of the liturgy prior to the Novus Ordo. It is no longer specified in the GIRM.

The second occurs during the Nicene Creed, the congregants bow their heads at the "For us men and for our salvation He came down from heaven; by the power of the Holy Spirit He was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man.

This is an action found in both the older Order of the Mass as well as the older GIRM and the current GIRM of the Novus Ordo. It is specified that ALL are to bow at this point in the Mass during these words of the Creed. During the Masses of Christmas and the Annunciation all are to Kneel at this point during the Creed.
 
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stbruno:
As far as bowing our heads as part of the Nicene Creed. We are still supposed to do that as part of the new norms for the GIRM. Not all parishes have adopted all aspects of the General Instructions for the Roman Missal. If your’s has not, be patient it will eventually be coming. At least one can hope.
The problem that I have with this is that it was never taken out. It is found in the 1970 GIRM.
 
I living in Honduras, Central America and we strike our left breast 3 times as well at the words: “por mi culpa, por mi culpa, por mi gran culpa”

This is done in all Masses which are regular normal Masses, not old school Latin.

God bless!
 
Well, during the Tridentine Mass one genuflects as opposed to a bow during the Nicene Creed. The genuflection should be brought back IMO.
 
Br. Rich SFO:
First, during the Confiteor, the individuals strike their left breast with a closed hand at the words “that I have sinned through my own fault”.
This is simply a personal act acknowledging our sinfulness. Once found in the rubrics of the liturgy prior to the Novus Ordo. It is no longer specified in the GIRM.
QUERY: During the recitation of certain formularies, for example, the <Confiteor, Agnus Dei, Domine, non sum dignus>, the accompanying gestures on the part of both priest and people are not always the same:** some strike their breast three times; others, once during such formularies. What is the lawful practice to be followed**? REPLY: In this case it is helpful to recall: 1. gestures and words usually complement each other; 2. in this matter as in others the liturgical reform has sought authenticity and simplicity, in keeping with SC art. 34: “The rites should be marked by a noble simplicity.” Whereas in the Roman Missal promulgated by authority of the Council of Trent meticulous gestures usually accompanied the words, the rubrics of the Roman Missal as reformed by authority of Vatican Council II are marked by their restraint with regard to gestures. This being said: a. The words, in the are annotated in the reformed Roman Missal with the rubric: “Thy strike their breast” ( no. 3). In the former Missal at the same place the rubric read this way: “He strikes his breast three times.” Therefore, it seems that the breast is not to be struck three times by anyone in reciting the words, whether in Latin or another language, even if the tripled formulary is said (<mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa>). One striking of the breast is enough. Clearly, also, one gesture is enough in those languages in which the words expressing fault are translated in a simpler form, for example in English, ; in French <Oui, j’ai vraiment peche’>. b. The special restraint of the reformed Roman Missal is also clear regarding the other texts mentioned, the and <Domine, non sum dignus>, expressions of repentance and humility accompanying the breaking of the bread and the call of the faithful to communion.

QUERY: Some of the acts of reverence by both the celebrant and the people have fallen into disuse, for example, the profound bow to be made in place of the former genuflection at the words announcing the mystery of the incarnation in the . Are such gestures still to be observed? REPLY: Clearly people should express their faith, devotion, and reverence not only by words but also by gestures and posture. **All the more care should be taken about this because the gestures now prescribed since the reform of the liturgy are fewer and simpler. ** Thus the Order of Mass and the GIRM assign a few instances when gestures are to accompany the words. It is enough to recall the GIRM no. 234 to recognize these various cases: “A bow of the head is made when the three divine persons are named together and at the name of Jesus, Mary, and the saint in whose honor Mass is celebrated. A bow of the body, or profound bow, is made: toward the altar if there is no tabernacle with the blessed sacrament; during the prayers, <Almighty God, cleanse and Lord God, we ask you to receive>; within the profession of faith at the words, >by the power of the Holy Spirit;> in Eucharistic Prayer I (Roman Canon) at the words, <Almighty God, we pray>.” In the case of the words in the the rubric of the Order of Mass also reads: “All bow.” It is well to remember that at the Mass of the Christmas Vigil, the Mass at Midnight, the Mass at Dawn, and the Mass during the Day, there is genuflection at the words (see MR pp. 153, 155, 156, 157); the same holds for Mass on the solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord (see MR p. 538).
  • CLARIFICATIONS AND INTERPRETATIONS OFTHE GENERAL INSTRUCTION OF THE ROMAN MISSAL APPENDIX 2 *
 
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slinky1882:
I am a youngin’, and I was wondering what the origins of two acts during the Mass were that are done by older members of the parish. First, during the Confiteor, the individuals strike their left breast with a closed hand at the words “that I have sinned through my own fault”. The second occurs during the Nicene Creed, the congregants bow their heads at the "For us men and for our salvation He came down from heaven; by the power of the Holy Spirit He was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man. " What is the origin of these acts, and are they still a part of the Liturgy or no longer taught in the Church??? Thanks and God Bless.
the beating of the breast in the confetior has been taken away but we are still supposed to bow during the Creed at the mention of the Incarnation, that instruction is in the rubrics. actually, we used to genuflect at that point, which we still do on the feast of the Annunciation, I believe.
 
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puzzleannie:
the beating of the breast in the confetior has been taken away…
Are you certain of this? I know it is not in the 2003 GIRM, but does that mean the practice is abolished? I am not so sure…
Br. Rich SFO:
Once found in the rubrics of the liturgy prior to the Novus Ordo. It is no longer specified in the GIRM.
Although written less precisely than in the 1570 Missal of Pope Pius V, the gesture was still present in the 1969 Missal of Pope Paul VI (Novus Ordo). Even Pope John Paul II wrote about the importance of striking one’s breast as a public display of sinfullness in his 1984 Apostolic Exhortation *Reconciliatio et Paenitentia. *So why is it not in the latest Missal of Pope John Paul II? I think it is omitted in the recent text because it is so well established in prior Church tradition.
 
How young are you…these things you mentioned are not exceptions…they should be the norm…but there are a lot of un-reverant and heterodoxical parishes out there that don’t do these things any more…it is so, so sad.
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slinky1882:
I am a youngin’, and I was wondering what the origins of two acts during the Mass were that are done by older members of the parish. First, during the Confiteor, the individuals strike their left breast with a closed hand at the words “that I have sinned through my own fault”. The second occurs during the Nicene Creed, the congregants bow their heads at the "For us men and for our salvation He came down from heaven; by the power of the Holy Spirit He was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man. " What is the origin of these acts, and are they still a part of the Liturgy or no longer taught in the Church??? Thanks and God Bless.
 
The whole TLM should be brought back in my opinion…not just parts…
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EddieArent:
Well, during the Tridentine Mass one genuflects as opposed to a bow during the Nicene Creed. The genuflection should be brought back IMO.
 
I am really frightened to see what has been happening in the “Church of Today”. I have noticed that sometimes all the parts of the Mass are in tact and sometimes they are not. It’s all very insidious to me. I think I will have to travel to find someone for personal confession. Seems some of the priests in my area don’t hear regularly. Can’t remember when I have heard a homily in regard to reconcilliation or personal accountability for sin for that matter! The emphasis is on “General Confession” as I overheard one priest saying “We don’t have the manpower to hear personally”. I am really beginning to look at this as a division and dangerous instead of remaining “asleep at the wheel” as I have to admit I had been for a long time. We should be vigilant and aware even of our priests and maybe especially of our priests!
 
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