What are the top ten arguments for abortion?

[Personanongrata]

You have just inadvertently stepped into another one of the common reasons given for abortion- that is that since rich women can always get them it is discriminatory if poor women don’t have an equal right to kill their child. . Believe it or not this was an argument postulated frequently prior to Roe been imposed on the country.

. If, by the way, your supposition that the reason Planned Parenthood has clinics in poor areas is only because rich women can afford abortions of private clinics,why do we see a disproportionate number of African-Americans getting abortions-, accounting for 40% of the abortions in this country even though they only make up 12% of the population? Sure seems like they’re being targeted

If a woman has enough money and or insurance along with a doctor in an affluent part of the world, she can walk into her doctors office, get a “D&C” and walk out. Affluent women get “D&C’s” all the time. That’s one of the reasons why I don’t believe all the stats that get thrown around. They are no way near accurate. And that’s not fair to all involved.

 

[Jaypeeto4]

When you see the pro-aborts at one of their rallies
screaming their ridiculous chants, it is really sickening.
One cannot have too many operational brain-cells if
the best apologetic for abortion you can come up
with is
“Keep your Rosaries off my Ovaries !!”

Disgusting.

 

[perro_sarnoso]

You know, it isn’t very useful to be nasty about a question like this. Politics of division won’t stop abortion. That should be enough to make people really want to understand the pro-choice position. Not only can you not refute a position you don’t understand, you can’t address real issues and truths that may be contained in those arguments.

sw85 gave a good list, so I won’t repeat what he said. But I’ll add:

1. some people don’t feel that the fact of “being human” alone is that important. They would argue that something else, like self-consciousness, or feeling pain, is important. So such people might be willing to allow abortions before the period when the fetus attains those characteristics.
2. Some people feel that abortion is basically bad, but can be allowed when it is an issue of choosing between grievous harm to the mother or the death of the child. They might also feel that in the end, only the mother can make the final decision - is this important enough? Will she risk her life? Practically speaking, it can be difficult to develop a medical or legal mechanism to deal with this. So such a person might think that the law cannot be used easily to regulate abortion, although moral principles ought to guide the mother in making the decision.
3. Some people feel that abortions really represent other kinds of social failures, and that rather than making abortion illegal, we should address those failures. Such a person might feel that if a mother chooses abortion because of poverty, for example, we need to address poverty; refusing the abortion alone is just another kick in the teeth. People who tend to think relationally find this a compelling argument especially when those who are pro-life don’t seem to support social justice measures of any kind that would attack the underlying issue. They come to the conclusion that there motives are not really what they claim.

I guess if we dissect and scrutinize deeply enough we can find a few reasons that will aquiesce our consciences sufficiently to the point of logic and reason - to ultimate justification.

Unfortunately the isolated and obscure [exceptions to the rule] are not the main (99.9%) of the reasons why women (and the supportive men) seek abortion.

Life begins at conception:

After the Anunciation, Mary went to the mountainous region of Judea to visit Elizabeth who was 6 months pregnant with John the Baptist. This trip would’ve taken a few days by caravan which was the mode of safe travel in those days.
Mary must’ve been (at the most) 1 week pregnant…upon Mary’s arrival and greeting to Elizabeth - she and the child (John) were both filled with the Holy Spirit. It was because of the Child Jesus in Mary’s womb.

All we have to do is look to the 7 deadly sins to see why someone would want to commit murder of the unborn innocents.

 

[chakimcai]

When you see the pro-aborts at one of their rallies
screaming their ridiculous chants, it is really sickening.
One cannot have too many operational brain-cells if
the best apologetic for abortion you can come up
with is
“Keep your Rosaries off my Ovaries !!”

Disgusting.

This is my first post, but I’ve been lurking on and off for years.

What do they think the rosaries will do, anyway, make their ovaries turn black, shrivel up, disintegrate??

maggie

 

[ForGood]

Because I was 17 and my mom told me to.

 

[Young_Thinker]

Because I was 17 and my mom told me to.

Oh, I am so sorry.

 

[Big_Dummy]

:clapping: Inspired!

by whom? ah NOT.

I thought that was the poorest anser giving.

 

[Big_Dummy]

Thanks to those who tried to give a serious answer. The purpose of this thread is to idenitifly their best arguments and respond intelligently with them.

 

[Bluegoat]

Thanks to those who tried to give a serious answer. The purpose of this thread is to idenitifly their best arguments and respond intelligently with them.

You might find this book interesting.

The author, Frederica Matthewes-Green, is one of the best modern writers on abortion, as she is really interested in why women have abortions, and how it effects them, and she takes the pro-choice arguments seriously. She also isn’t scared to criticize elements of the pro-life position that are detrimental to the cause.

If you google her name and abortion she has lots of good articles online. She’s an Orthodox Christian.

 

[Corki]

The top ten rasons are:

1. Satan
2. Racism
3. Greed
4. Fear
5. Coercion
6. Anger
7. Embarassment
8. Politics
   9 .Ignorance
9. Pride

I would move “coersion” higher up the list, however. Even Guttmacher (the research arm of PP) say that upwards of a third of the women having abortions performed in the US were forced or coerced by a boyfriend, husband or family member.

 

[estesbob]

I would move “coersion” higher up the list, however. Even Guttmacher (the research arm of PP) say that upwards of a third of the women having abortions performed in the US were forced or coerced by a boyfriend, husband or family member.

I did not put them in any particular order however it should be noted that Satan is behind every abortion in one way or another.

 

[Big_Dummy]

You might find this book interesting.

The author, Frederica Matthewes-Green, is one of the best modern writers on abortion, as she is really interested in why women have abortions, and how it effects them, and she takes the pro-choice arguments seriously. She also isn’t scared to criticize elements of the pro-life position that are detrimental to the cause.

If you google her name and abortion she has lots of good articles online. She’s an Orthodox Christian.

Thanks, off to the library

 

[estesbob]

Thanks, off to the library

While you’re at it look for Gemraine Grisez’s book "Abortion, Then and Now " written right before Roe V Wade was imposed and is a very reasoned look at the bankruptcy of the arguments promoting abortion

 

[Aihwa]

Planned Parenthood was founded by Margaret Sanger, a speaker for the woman’s division of the KKK. She argued that it was necessary to curtail undesirable races. Even today, all Planned Parenthoods are in minority neighborhoods.

God Bless

Got your tinfoil hat firmly in place? Good. Have a history lesson.

In 1926, Sanger gave a lecture on birth control to the women’s auxiliary of the Ku Klux Klan in Silver Lake, New Jersey.[13] She described it as “one of the weirdest experiences I had in lecturing,” and added that she had to use only “the most elementary terms, as though I were trying to make children understand.”[13] Sanger’s talk was well-received by the group and as a result “a dozen invitations to similar groups were proffered.”

So, she’s not KKK. She gave a speech to the Woman’s Auxiliary to the KKK. That would be housewives, because women couldn’t actually be in the KKK back in those days.

Sanger was a proponent of negative eugenics, a social philosophy which claims that human hereditary traits can be improved through social intervention. Sanger’s eugenic policies ran to an exclusionary immigration policy, free access to birth control methods and full family-planning autonomy for the able-minded, and compulsory segregation or sterilization for the profoundly retarded. She expressly denounced euthanasia as a eugenics tool.

In A Plan for Peace (1932), for example, Sanger proposed a congressional department to:

Keep the doors of immigration closed to the entrance of certain aliens whose condition is known to be detrimental to the stamina of the race, such as **feebleminded, idiots, morons, insane, syphilitic, epileptic, criminal, professional prostitutes**, and others in this class barred by the immigration laws of 1924.[22]

Racism? Only racist against stupidity.

As for Family Planning clinics only being in poor area’s… Want to know a secret? There’s one family planning clinic in my hometown. Guess where? our sprawling middle class suburbs. Next to no less than two churches. Guess who uses them? ^___^ local christian women too poor to afford proper sexual health thanks to lack of health insurance.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger#cite_note-wkkk-12

ib4 wikipedia is not a source, check the citations on the bottom.

 

[JaneGrey]

Got your tinfoil hat firmly in place? Good. Have a history lesson.

So, she’s not KKK. She gave a speech to the Woman’s Auxiliary to the KKK. That would be housewives, because women couldn’t actually be in the KKK back in those days.

Racism? Only racist against stupidity.

As for Family Planning clinics only being in poor area’s… Want to know a secret? There’s one family planning clinic in my hometown. Guess where? our sprawling middle class suburbs. Next to no less than two churches. Guess who uses them? ^___^ local christian women too poor to afford proper sexual health thanks to lack of health insurance.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger#cite_note-wkkk-12

ib4 wikipedia is not a source, check the citations on the bottom.

Correct me if I m wrong but did you just call elipleptics and the disabled stupid?

 

[JaneGrey]

Got your tinfoil hat firmly in place? Good. Have a history lesson.

So, she’s not KKK. She gave a speech to the Woman’s Auxiliary to the KKK. That would be housewives, because women couldn’t actually be in the KKK back in those days.

Racism? Only racist against stupidity.

As for Family Planning clinics only being in poor area’s… Want to know a secret? There’s one family planning clinic in my hometown. Guess where? our sprawling middle class suburbs. Next to no less than two churches. Guess who uses them? ^___^ local christian women too poor to afford proper sexual health thanks to lack of health insurance.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger#cite_note-wkkk-12

ib4 wikipedia is not a source, check the citations on the bottom.

Correct me if I m wrong but did you just call elipleptics and the disabled stupid? I have never thought that the movement for abortion was pro-white in any way, but what you are suggesting is a whole different ball game.

 

[Aihwa]

Correct me if I m wrong but did you just call elipleptics and the disabled stupid? I have never thought that the movement for abortion was pro-white in any way, but what you are suggesting is a whole different ball game.

From a purely observational standpoint, it makes sense. However, most people find pure logic distasteful, so please don’t start attributing viewpoints to me without proper evidence to back it up.

 

[JaneGrey]

From a purely observational standpoint, it makes sense. However, most people find pure logic distasteful, so please don’t start attributing viewpoints to me without proper evidence to back it up.

I asked you if you had a certain viewpoint, I didnt attribute it to you as I gave you a chance to explain yourself.

 

[exoflare]

What do they think…

They don’t.