Yes…you are absolutely correct. Just as in the thread about the 3 days of darkness vision of St John Bosco. I do happen to believe in the apparitions of Fatima. From what I’m gathering the Holy Orthodox Church does not completely discredit these…but questions their validity. That’s fine with me. Private revelations are not bound on anybody. I do not believe visions of imminent gloom and doom and extra biblical visions as St John Bosco.
Yes…but in apparitions like Fatima…Mary has lead people to her Son. I guess it comes down to the fruits they bear. The Medjugorie apparitions are clearly not of heaven and that’s why priests are forbidden to have parish pilgrimages there.
That’s why submission to rightful authority (Your priest and most importantly, your Bishop) and spiritual direction is so important. We can never trust ourselves and our judgement in this regard because the Devil always inspires spiritual pride to make us believe that we have been highly and especially favoured and so embrace the super-natural phenomenon (or trap) blindly.
I agree with much of what you’ve said. However the CC shares equally in the schism between the Orthodox and Catholic Churches.
We don’t know if they are authentic or not. There is no “official” position of the Church yet on these apparitions. There are clergy on both sides, approving and disapproving.
The priest who defended these apparitions has left the Church and is now married. The local bishop was condemned by apparition for interergaing him on accusations that were made against him dealing with the subject. He denied them at the time. The apparition also condemned the local bishop for requiring obediance to him. The Virgin Mary always had endorsed unequivacibly obediance. This apparition has encouraged the opposite. Satanic.
Really? My understanding of the matter is that every time the Bishops order them (the visionaries) not to continue the activities there, they are answered with defiance and disobedience. That alone tells me a whole lot. When St. Teresa of Avila began experiencing the prayer of infused contemplation in her methods of prayer, her spiritual director forbade her to engage in those types of prayers any more- Till a whole year had passed. She obeyed- perfectly. St. Padre Pio was ordered not to expose his stigmata until everything had been verified by Church authorities. He endured gruelling probings which bordered on persecution for the longest time- Again, perfect obedience.
I just saw a documentary investigation of a catholic convent like situation in the
Marybeloved…you are correct. It’s fruits have been division.
H…has the Orthodox approved any Marian apparitions? Pre and post schism (Just curious).
Remember the promise of Christ…the gates of hell shall not prevail…that is why we have the Church…where the See of Peter is…that will stand headstong to the deception.
AFAIK they don’t do those things.
No. The apparitions tell of giving themselves to her Immaculate heart, not Jesus. The RCC I used to go to had very big paintings of the 1917 Portugal event, which means the RCC takes these as fact.But in Marian apparitions Mary always points people toward her Son. In any case those are private revelations and not bound on anybody to believe…Catholic or not.
ALL in Christ are to discern the signs of the times and look up for our redemption draws neigh…That’s why were warned about being deceived and running here and there…
