What are UFOs and are they a threat?

[BlueKnight]

Peary you make a good analysis but you should review some of the links I posted in this thread for people to get more information to form better opinions.

John Paul the Second allegedly said when asked about the existance of aliens that, “Always remember, they are children of God as well.”

Allegedly Padre Pio apparently took the existence of aliens at face value and was surprised when others did not. Just as he took for face value that he could see and speak with his guardian angel since a small child, only later learning he was relatively unique to this phenomenon.

Also, any technology that is several hundred thousand or more years ahead of our own would seem like magic to us. Just as if you took and MRI machine to midieval times and helped cure nobility with it in that time, they would likely thank you then hang you for witchcraft.

Satan does not need ufo’s or aliens to manifest in this world, but he certainly might want to make us think that he has something to do with them if they in fact carried a message that would benefit mankind. However, I would say, that aliens are just as morally culpable as any human being, and their agenda is mysterious to us so far. From what I hear, even among the people “in the know” as in special researchers who have access or direct contact still do not know the true reasons for the recent alien abduction phenomenon.

As for the aliens speaking about things that contradict the bible, could it be simply that they have no converted to catholicism yet? Could it be that Jesus appeared on this backwater planet where the most degenerate and simple of his creation existed, today on the brink of nuclear war and destruction of all life on earth through pollution, to manifest his power in the “end times” with multiple alien species watching the ultimate reality show of self destruction, to convert them in the end when he returns in glory? Maybe those beings did not need a savior because perhapys some of them never fell to original sin as we degenerate humans have?

There are many people who say that human beings with their own agenda who have full access to the technolagies we have reverse engineered from UFOs are going to perpetrate the greatest hoax on mankind. That of an alien invasion. They apparently have already hoaxed 911 according to some to distract people from the TRUTH of alien contact as was almost disclosed by the DISCLOSURE PROJECT just before the twin towers went down. Many believe that the twin towers went down not because of plains, but because of planned demolitions. Crazy to hear, but could there be merit? To my mind, Satan does not need aliens to perpetrate evil on humanity, they have plenty of stock amongst the human race.

BK

 

[peary]

Peary you make a good analysis but you should review some of the links I posted in this thread for people to get more information to form better opinions.

I did.

John Paul the Second allegedly said when asked about the existance of aliens that, “Always remember, they are children of God as well.”

Of course they would be.

Allegedly Padre Pio apparently took the existence of aliens at face value and was surprised when others did not. Just as he took for face value that he could see and speak with his guardian angel since a small child, only later learning he was relatively unique to this phenomenon.

This is a debatable quote. There hasn’t ever been a reference cited as to where he ever said that. I’ve seen it before, but its origin is never cited.

Also, any technology that is several hundred thousand or more years ahead of our own would seem like magic to us. Just as if you took and MRI machine to midieval times and helped cure nobility with it in that time, they would likely thank you then hang you for witchcraft.

There is no evidence that ‘technology’ is other than a human endeavor. If there is an ‘unfallen’ race of beings, the likelihood of technology would not exist because it would not be necessary.

Satan does not need ufo’s or aliens to manifest in this world, but he certainly might want to make us think that he has something to do with them if they in fact carried a message that would benefit mankind. However, I would say, that aliens are just as morally culpable as any human being, and their agenda is mysterious to us so far. From what I hear, even among the people “in the know” as in special researchers who have access or direct contact still do not know the true reasons for the recent alien abduction phenomenon.

I find it hard to believe that speacial researchers have ‘access’ or direct contact with extra-terrestrial beings. But I am aware of many who are in direct contact with demons.

As for the aliens speaking about things that contradict the bible, could it be simply that they have not converted to catholicism yet? Could it be that Jesus appeared on this backwater planet where the most degenerate and simple of his creation existed, today on the brink of nuclear war and destruction of all life on earth through pollution, to manifest his power in the “end times” with multiple alien species watching the ultimate reality show of self destruction, to convert them in the end when he returns in glory? Maybe those beings did not need a savior because perhapys some of them never fell to original sin as we degenerate humans have?

This is very doubtful as their ‘religion’ across the board is that of occultism and ‘new age’, both of which are condemned by the Church, with the former condemned by the Bible itself.

There are many people who say that human beings with their own agenda who have full access to the technolagies we have reverse engineered from UFOs are going to perpetrate the greatest hoax on mankind. That of an alien invasion. They apparently have already hoaxed 911 according to some to distract people from the TRUTH of alien contact as was almost disclosed by the DISCLOSURE PROJECT just before the twin towers went down. Many believe that the twin towers went down not because of plains, but because of planned demolitions. Crazy to hear, but could there be merit? To my mind, Satan does not need aliens to perpetrate evil on humanity, they have plenty of stock amongst the human race.BK

As for 9-11, even the drive-by media got it right the first time!

 

[Kitty_Chan]

John Paul the Second allegedly said when asked about the existance of aliens that, “Always remember, they are children of God as well.”

Allegedly Padre Pio apparently took the existence of aliens at face value and was surprised when others did not. Just as he took for face value that he could see and speak with his guardian angel since a small child, only later learning he was relatively unique to this phenomenon.

To add to peary statements.

Guardian angels should not be compared to ufos in the same way. Angels look out for things of God. These aliesn do not. Thats the whole point ufos are not guardian of anything, nor are they this special race who is so advanced they can help or save us. How can they be so advanced and yet at the same time subject humans to the horrors they do??

Satan does not need ufo’s or aliens to manifest in this world, but he certainly might want to make us think that he has something to do with them if they in fact carried a message that would benefit mankind. However, I would say, that aliens are just as morally culpable as any human being, and their agenda is mysterious to us so far. .

Certainly satan doesnt need anything but he uses everything to deceive. If aliens existed they would be fellow created beings and morally cupable as you say. If they were morally correct their agenda would not be mysterious.

and also further to the alien misconception, why are we always the backwater planet? We are created by God we are His creation. If they exist and are advanced then they would be aware of HIm. (like I said before)

The thing people enjoy about aliens is that it takes away personal responsibility from us. If there is someone else then its not us.

There are many people who say that human beings with their own agenda who have full access to the technolagies we have reverse engineered from UFOs are going to perpetrate the greatest hoax on mankind. That of an alien invasion. They apparently have already hoaxed 911 according to some to distract people from the TRUTH of alien contact as was almost disclosed by the DISCLOSURE PROJECT just before the twin towers went down. Many believe that the twin towers went down not because of plains, but because of planned demolitions. Crazy to hear, but could there be merit? To my mind, Satan does not need aliens to perpetrate evil on humanity, they have plenty of stock amongst the human race.

BK

wow, who knew ?

see proof positive that satan works through aliens

 

[BlueKnight]

To add to peary statements.

Guardian angels should not be compared to ufos in the same way. Angels look out for things of God. These aliesn do not. Thats the whole point ufos are not guardian of anything, nor are they this special race who is so advanced they can help or save us. How can they be so advanced and yet at the same time subject humans to the horrors they do??

Certainly satan doesnt need anything but he uses everything to deceive. If aliens existed they would be fellow created beings and morally cupable as you say. If they were morally correct their agenda would not be mysterious.

and also further to the alien misconception, why are we always the backwater planet? We are created by God we are His creation. If they exist and are advanced then they would be aware of HIm. (like I said before)

The thing people enjoy about aliens is that it takes away personal responsibility from us. If there is someone else then its not us.

wow, who knew ?

see proof positive that satan works through aliens

Good comments and observations but I want to make some counter arguments;

1. It may be that aliens do not want to save us becasue to do so takes away from the responsibility of us saving ourselves. We don’t do the walking for our babies but help them to learn how to walk.
2. Allegedly the reason for the horrors is that their race is dying and can not re-produce. They clone themselves over and over apparently. Captured or recovered alien bodies of the type involved in abductions have no noted sexual organs. Also, they do not have digestive systems which means they can not “eat” without the assistance of technology. From what I hear they sit in a vat of fluid where they absorb nutrients through their skin and excrete waiste in the same manner. It may be a necessity that this species needs to be parrasitic on humans to survive, at least for now, but I do believe regardless that they will completely die out soon - though this is merely my opinion.
3. Their agenda needs to be mysterious if it is an agenda that is of the upmost dire significance to themselves and that the prevention of said agenda could lead to their own demise, perhaps sooner then they would prefer. But otherwise I agree. Irregardless what they do and how they do it is in fact immoral, whether or not they are able to percieve it as that is another matter. Also morality can be debatable at times depending on your perspective, culture, philosophy, maturity, education, and experience.
4. I’m really curious to see how God’s will will prevail throughout these phenmomenon and how he will use it for our betterment.

 

[Brian_C]

I’ve seen “UFOs” twice. The first one turned out to be a 737 and the second was a highly confused flock of geese. Coincidentally, I’ve also confused a flock of geese for a playground fun of ghost children.

Neither were detrimental to my faith, although I did learn to question my own judgment.

 

[BlueKnight]

Ya I understand your incredulity. It took an eye opponening experince to change my mind as well.

The government has declassified some of its own Top Secret Files on the matter by the way.

Read this book to find out more;

"The Day After Roswell, " by Col. Philip J. Corso (Ret.).

Read it and you find out enough. Its a good starting place. “IF” you have the courage to get the book and read it, I’ll be happy to give you the title of another book that will further change your thinking. Or, you can just wait until the matter is fully disclosed in a few years.



BK

 

[Metaron]

I was wondering what some forum surfers think about the UFO phenomenon? Is it benevolent? Is it evil? Is it a great deception? Any (name removed by moderator)ut is welcomed.

I don’t believe they are extraterrestrial, but supernatural. Angelic chariots? The Mer’kabah? Ophanim? After all, Ezekiel saw gyroscopic Wheels with eyes (Ophanim-- a kind of angel, also identified in Christian tradition as Thrones) flying in the sky. Also, I read that, for some reason, there are more reports of UFO’s in Israel, England, and Utah than any other areas in the world.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

It might belong here. I know a few people who feel that UFOs are apperitions from Satan sent to confuse people. I also know a person who talks about the vision in the Bible of “wheels within wheels” as being about UFOs. I guess the question may be: does your faith system have anything to say about UFOs?

That’s in Ezekiel 1 & 10 - it’s a vision of the Chariot-Throne of God, & has nothing to do w/ UFOs. ​

AFAICS, people conceptualise these heavenly things as UFOs only because they live in a culture which is interested in science & its potential applications - in this case, interplanetary travel. So non-scientific entities are treated as falling within a category to which they do not belong.

God is not a spaceman - He’s God: science has no competence in what is heavenly, so it can’t interpret heavenly things as though they were from within the created order. Scientism is what one gets if one tries to treat all realities, including those sorts upon which the sciences can’t pronounce, as amenable to scientific criteria. That’s bad science & bad theology.

 

[swariffin]

Read this book to find out more;

"The Day After Roswell, " by Col. Philip J. Corso (Ret.).

Read it and you find out enough. Its a good starting place. “IF” you have the courage to get the book and read it, I’ll be happy to give you the title of another book that will further change your thinking. Or, you can just wait until the matter is fully disclosed in a few years.



BK

Thanks BlueKnight, do you think the film “Independence Day” was inspired by this book?

 

[peary]

Thanks BlueKnight, do you think the film “Independence Day” was inspired by this book?

Roswell was a fake. I got it from the horse’s mouth.

 

[Kitty_Chan]

Good comments and observations but I want to make some counter arguments;

1. It may be that aliens do not want to save us becasue to do so takes away from the responsibility of us saving ourselves. We don’t do the walking for our babies but help them to learn how to walk.

What aliens want is irrevelant, its what we want. We want them to save us. They are a substitute Jesus. Only He can help us learn to walk.

1. Allegedly the reason for the horrors is that their race is dying and can not re-produce. They clone themselves over and over apparently. Captured or recovered alien bodies of the type involved in abductions have no noted sexual organs. Also, they do not have digestive systems which means they can not “eat” without the assistance of technology. From what I hear they sit in a vat of fluid where they absorb nutrients through their skin and excrete waiste in the same manner. It may be a necessity that this species needs to be parrasitic on humans to survive, at least for now, but I do believe regardless that they will completely die out soon - though this is merely my opinion.

So why should anyone then consider that there are other life forms out there that we should contact if they can only live in vats of their own excretment and survive by being parasitic on humans?? I agree they are parasitac on human souls, However, they will not die out soon, but rather be put out of their deceitful existance.

1. Their agenda needs to be mysterious if it is an agenda that is of the upmost dire significance to themselves and that the prevention of said agenda could lead to their own demise, perhaps sooner then they would prefer. But otherwise I agree. Irregardless what they do and how they do it is in fact immoral, whether or not they are able to percieve it as that is another matter. Also morality can be debatable at times depending on your perspective, culture, philosophy, maturity, education, and experience.

Jesus said; By their fruits you will know them. The agenda is clear.

1. I’m really curious to see how God’s will will prevail throughout these phenmomenon and how he will use it for our betterment.

Oh I figure He will do a little fly casting over at a particular lake.

As for our betterment, Gods will is that all of us understand Him. Jesus said I am the way. Only Jesus holds the keys, remember He is the I Am the first and the last.

 

[heisenburg]

i find it funny that in the Good Ole U S of A, alien abduction is sorta almost common place…

However, why is it that just across the border in Mexico… the rate is almost nil. Do Aliens think Mexicans are not as good a test subject? Why do they seem to respect national borders if this is a global event.

Also…

What about in Asia. There, once again, there is a very very low occurrence of Alien Abduction. But they do have something similar. It is an old lady that comes into their room while they sleep, immobilizes them for the sole intent to terrify them. Whats even more interesting, the Japaneses took to this very seriously and scientifically. Who is this old lady… So, they did tests and were able to conjure up the old lady in labs…

Turns out it was nothing more than sleep paralysis.

UFOology is nothing more than a modern day attempt to create a religion around things people ‘think’ it should be. Aliens may exist on other worlds, and that will do nothing but glorify god even more, but them coming here? Possible… but extremely highly unlikly

In Christ

 

[BlueKnight]

UFOs and Aliens are Science FACT.

Get this, alright! There are many beings and races out there that are fully biological. Ready for this?!?! Some of the EBEs are not actually living creatures but manufactured biological machines. You’ll understand if you read Corso’s book.

The bible has many refrences to aliens and ufos because they have been around for centuries.

Here is the real problem folks in a nut shell. The US military is fighting a secret war with the aliens and ufos. Because they violate out airspace frequantly, abduct humans against their will and perform a large variety of experiments on them, and interefere somewhat benignly with military and space equipment the military has been attacking them. I have heard reports that the military even sent a nuke to the moon to take out their base there.

The US has reverse engineered a great amount of technolagy from crashed discs, both those shot down and those recovered. They number in the dozens folks. Roswell was just one of MANY crashed discs.

Now here is the big issue really. Are aliens a threat to us? Or I should say more particulary, the tri lateral whatcha ma calls it. There are various aliens with various agendas, spiritual development, and behaviors. The ones that are messing with humanity are what we call the greys. The real ugly aliens. So the question remains, do we continue hostilities with them or do we become friends with them?

Personally because of the psychological harm they cause on humans I’d say establish firm boundaries and force them to come up front with their activities but I would not engage them beyond our world or the moon. I think the moon should belong to humans. Anything else is more fair game I suppose, but I feel that this solar system is ours, however, that might be debatable. The universe is a very big place, but apparently we are not alone, and by that I mean 100s of alien races in our galaxy alone, with reports of US services knowing or having information of 57 different species.

So get your heads out of your superstitious closets of ghosts and demons and start praying about it and thinking out of the box.

And read that book, its totally supported by a vast amount of information from numerous other sources.

Don’t be caugh napping on this one folks, its at the very least very interesting. Humans have something to teach these aliens as well, I believe these aliens just don’t know it. Well, not all humans.

BK

 

[BlueKnight]

Yes KittyChan, I agree they might not die out quite as I said but they may in fact be put out. And I don’t think it will be from man’s hands.

My source for that is myself and dreams I have had. I occasionally have dreams that though symbolic often, have prophetic components. Most of the time its about small stuff in my personal life, in particular a soul god has entrusted to my care, but on a few occassions about the greys as well.

In my dream they basically burst into flames. However, their experiments are left behind to be cared for.

BK

 

[heisenburg]

Blue…

How do you address the concerns i mentioned… Am I being closed minded for looking into this stuff and finding what I mentioned? Or is it that I am close minded because I do not come to the same conclusions you do.

As mentioned. Abductions are hardly evidence because there is no evidence. Furthermore, it is strictly an American/and a little bit European thing. Why doesn’t it occur in say Mexico, or Asia?

In Christ

 

[BlueKnight]

Sorry, I missed your post.

Actually it is far from just taking place only in the US. You have a great many events going on in South America, Brittain, Japan, Europe, Africa, and other parts of the worlds.

Also, if you are an abductee it doesn’t matter where you are, the greys can locate you beyond US boundaries.

Its not just a US thing. Sometimes it sounds that way because there is a system in place to stop full disclosure, which includes revealing what is going on in other countries.

I can speculate further but I would just go ahead and read the declassified information in Corso’s book;

“The Day After Rosell,” by Col. Philip J. Corso.

If you read this book, and you want another good source, ask me and I’ll give you others.

BK

 

[Kitty_Chan]

heisenburg

Im just going to quickly answer you, there is a Area 51 in Russia as well.

The Mexican govt just had a so called run in with their air force jets and sightings of a UFO lights etc I can get you the info if you wish. There is a mexican individual that is a ufo authority and this sighting was confirmed by their air force general or someone.

Now, having said that, I find it way more interesting that ufo occurances happen in countries that have air forces.

abductions and that sleep lady and things like it all have a thing in common, a belief of something that can enter your life and your person. As a christian exactly what should you allow to enter your life and person.??

Christ alone should have that power.

 

[heisenburg]

Thank you for your reply Blue…

With respect

Might I ask. Other than this book you mention, are there any other outside sources that can be backed up? For example, where does the number 57 species come from… This is actually completely new to me and something I had never heard of (not saying that that matters, just that I haven’t heard of it before).

Also, what are some things in todays world that i can point to and say that is the result of reverse engineering?

In Christ

 

[Kitty_Chan]

UFOs and Aliens are Science FACT.

Science does not state things are fact unless proven by repeated conclusions.

The bible has many refrences to aliens and ufos because they have been around for centuries.

THis was addressed I believe by peary.

Here is the real problem folks. The US military is fighting a secret war with the aliens and ufos. Because they violate out airspace frequantly, abduct humans against their will and perform a large variety of experiments on them, and interefere somewhat benignly with military and space equipment the military has been attacking them. I have heard reports that the military even sent a nuke to the moon to take out their base there. The US has reverse engineered a great amount of technolagy from crashed discs, both those shot down and those recovered. Roswell was just one of MANY crashed discs.

Once again, these experiments do not make any logical sense to be conducting the same tired old experiments over and over again from the 60’s. If they are so advanced why cant they figure out simple science and move onto different experiments?

At best they would be part of a phyc ops mission and by now they should have played a hand of some sort.

As for the base on the moon Im letting that slide for now.

As for the military and reverse technology. This goes back to the backwater comment made earlier. WHY are we incapable of technology, to the point we have to steal it from aliens who stew in their own juices?? We are capable of our own technology.

Now to address that point. Im sure youve notice that the ufo events do take place near area 51 type places, as I said even Russia has one. Think of why those places are there, for military experimentation on aircraft of all sorts. Military experiment of all kinds. Its military experiments, in the us russia and anywhere. Thats why things look foreign to the average joe, because there is no relative experience or understanding of what is created there because it is experimental.

Now here is the big issue really. Are aliens a threat to us? Or I should say more particulary, the tri lateral whatcha ma calls it. There are various aliens with various agendas, spiritual development, and behaviors. The ones that are messing with humanity are what we call the greys. The real ugly aliens. So the question remains, do we continue hostilities with them or do we become friends with them?
Personally because of the psychological harm they cause on humans I’d say establish firm boundaries and force them to come up front with their activities but I would not engage them beyond our world or the moon.

yes this is the main issue, I said that Christ said you will know them by their fruit. What fruit do they produce? you have said some about that, they are negative. Where does the source of negative come from? To whom do these aliens answer?

Everything in existance is answerable to Jesus. If these aliens do not bear fruit, then they are not of Jesus. Which means they are of . . . . . .

 

[peary]

UFOs and Aliens are Science FACT.

Get this, alright! There are many beings and races out there that are fully biological. Ready for this?!?! Some of the EBEs are not actually living creatures but manufactured biological machines. You’ll understand if you read Corso’s book.

There is no ‘proof’ of any of that. If you study what we already know about the cosmos, it is not conducive to life. in fact, life doesn’t exist anywhere else in our solar system because the system cannot support its existence except for our world. And Corso needs to sell his book.

The bible has many refrences to aliens and ufos because they have been around for centuries.

The bible refers to them as Satan and his demons. The bible says absolutely nothing about aliens or ufo’s.

Here is the real problem folks in a nut shell. The US military is fighting a secret war with the aliens and ufos. Because they violate out airspace frequantly, abduct humans against their will and perform a large variety of experiments on them, and interefere somewhat benignly with military and space equipment the military has been attacking them. I have heard reports that the military even sent a nuke to the moon to take out their base there.

No proof.

The US has reverse engineered a great amount of technolagy from crashed discs, both those shot down and those recovered. They number in the dozens folks. Roswell was just one of MANY crashed discs.

No proof, and I also got it from the “horse’s mouth” that Roswell is a fake. It has been really interesting to watch how things get added every few years to the original story.

Now here is the big issue really. Are aliens a threat to us? Or I should say more particulary, the tri lateral whatcha ma calls it. There are various aliens with various agendas, spiritual development, and behaviors. The ones that are messing with humanity are what we call the greys. The real ugly aliens. So the question remains, do we continue hostilities with them or do we become friends with them?

Demons and the rest of that despicable horde is what is a threat to our souls, no matter how they appear to us. As Paul says, we are fighting not the kings and princes of this world, but of the spiritual world.

So get your heads out of your superstitious closets of ghosts and demons and start praying about it and thinking out of the box.

He believes in alien biological robots but other people are superstitious to believe in demons ROFL

And read that book, its totally supported by a vast amount of information from numerous other sources.

As I said, Corso has a book to sell.

BK