What are UFOs and are they a threat?

[Metaron]

I don’t believe they are extraterrestrial, but supernatural. Angelic chariots? The Mer’kabah? Ophanim? After all, Ezekiel saw gyroscopic Wheels with eyes (Ophanim-- a kind of angel, also identified in Christian tradition as Thrones) flying in the sky. Also, I read that, for some reason, there are more reports of UFO’s in Israel, England, and Utah than any other areas in the world.

I AM NOT saying that the visions of Ezekiel or other notable places in the Bible are extraterrestial. I AM saying that the modern-day visions of UFOs may not be extraterrestial, but supernatural (Angelic chariots, flying fortresses, the Mer’kabah, the Ophanim, Seraphim, and Cherubim.) Some of the malevolent or evil ones may be fallen or demonic.

 

[Kitty_Chan]

Metaron

exactly

 

[BlueKnight]

I think that we have to agree to disagree. I’m not here to argue my point and prove I’m right. Believe what you want to believe. If you need to be in Denial and hold onto a shaky interpretation of yous spirituality and apply it to aliens then by all means to so if that is what makes you be at ease. I by no means demean you for this as I understand the horrible reality of aliens better then most, and it is only with years of self healing and a firm spirituality based in the sacraments and the rosary that I am now integrated in the way God intended.

If you want links to other UFO resources then just do a post search on “Ufos and aliens” or my handle and you’ll find a multitude of links that I have set up for people to learn more.

I form my opinions based on personal experience, reading over 3,000 pages of material and watching over 30 hours of documentaries on the subject and countles hours meditating and praying over them to further refine that knowledge.

What I come out with has taken years, and its not the kind of knowledge you get from just reading, it comes from preparing yourself to face the reality and get as close to the truth as you can. It is too easy to give into fear and hatred. But luckily there are other ways to see.

There is frankly enough proof. Overwhelming proof. And for those people who say they are demonic or from Satan, clearly do not have enough understanding of Satan or demons nor the UFO/alien phenomenon and would better serve their own humility by staying silent on that subject. Its natural to blurt out answers without real work or research out of fear, anxiety, hate, or whatever. People who read these posts can come up with their own conclusions.

That being said, I want to be specific. Actions to carry consequences. Evil acts build on further evil acts which invites evil entities which makes for more evil. But sometimes its not really clear who is the victim and who is the evil one. Sometimes it is. Because there are in fact multiple alien species, not all of them are evil and not all of them are good. Most are in fact a combo. Some are subject to evil and serve evil purposes or ends the have sad ends. Sometimes they are victims of their predecessors. But, some of the species are actually quite nice and friendly. Nothing to suspect them of much of anything. So, to say “aliens” are demons you then say, all aliens are evil. And if they are all evil then you probably should meet them with agression all the time. Sometimes you don’t defeat your opponent by destroying him, but by making him your friend, by converting him. Consider that in a marriage, one parter may be a holy saint, like Saint Rita, while the husband is a murderer. They are still dependant on each other but it is through patience and love that the evil spouse is converted and becomes a saint. You do not know what made some of the alien species a fallen species. Many of them are just decsendants of other beings who made mistake that never got corrected that led them to their fate. They are trapped, victims, caught in a cycle. I can not honestly say with what I know now that they are evil or demonic. But I will say that doesn’t meant that the harm they do do on humans does open humans up to demonic attack because any attack on the psychology of an individual that weakens that individuals mental reserve can lead them to be open to demonic attack as well. Especially on children who are mostly defenseless. Some of the activities that these grey do are sinful. Causing intercourse that is unsolicited and immoral leading to further degradation to the soul, and a decrease in the individuals ability to trust, be at peace, and connect with people, further agravating the opportunities for attack by the demonic. However, this still does not make the greys demonic necessarily. I used to think they were demonic. I’m not totally sure because they are existing in the material universe, so I look upon them more as perverse then demonic. A Nazi can be really kind, funny, thoughtful to his fellow Nazi’s and his own children even, but if your not a Nazi then your just food or a resource.

You are what you do. I believe that the greys have put too much emphasis on technolagy and not enough on the spirit body connection. They therefore have large heads and little bodies. They are unable to connect to spiritual realities fully because they only connect to the intelectual. They have lost much, and thus they need to replace those losses by stealing from others. This patter can not sustain itself. However, they are still made in the image of God. And because of that, we must try to see the beautiful in them and the aspect of the divine in them. To demonize them is to act as God, the judge, and then to condemn them.

As for where I got the number 57 watch this;

youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

 

[peary]

I think that we have to agree to disagree. I’m not here to argue my point and prove I’m right. Believe what you want to believe. If you need to be in Denial and hold onto a shaky interpretation of yous spirituality and apply it to aliens then by all means to so if that is what makes you be at ease. I by no means demean you for this as I understand the horrible reality of aliens better then most, and it is only with years of self healing and a firm spirituality based in the sacraments and the rosary that I am now integrated in the way God intended.

Sounds like you got it all figured out!

If you want links to other UFO resources then just do a post search on “Ufos and aliens” or my handle and you’ll find a multitude of links that I have set up for people to learn more.

Been there. Done that.

I form my opinions based on personal experience, reading over 3,000 pages of material and watching over 30 hours of documentaries on the subject and countles hours meditating and praying over them to further refine that knowledge.

**So have many many other people - even me. And I come to a diametrically opposing position than you do. **

What I come out with has taken years, and its not the kind of knowledge you get from just reading, it comes from preparing yourself to face the reality and get as close to the truth as you can. It is too easy to give into fear and hatred. But luckily there are other ways to see.

Face reality??

There is frankly enough proof. Overwhelming proof.

There is no overwhelming substantial proof. There never has been. LOL

And for those people who say they are demonic or from Satan, clearly do not have enough understanding of Satan or demons nor the UFO/alien phenomenon and would better serve their own humility by staying silent on that subject.

The Bible says otherwise.

Its natural to blurt out answers without real work or research out of fear, anxiety, hate, or whatever. People who read these posts can come up with their own conclusions.

I know. You can’t fix stupid, can you?

That being said, I want to be specific. Actions to carry consequences. Evil acts build on further evil acts which invites evil entities which makes for more evil. But sometimes its not really clear who is the victim and who is the evil one. Sometimes it is. Because there are in fact multiple alien species, not all of them are evil and not all of them are good. Most are in fact a combo. Some are subject to evil and serve evil purposes or ends the have sad ends. Sometimes they are victims of their predecessors. But, some of the species are actually quite nice and friendly. Nothing to suspect them of much of anything. So, to say “aliens” are demons you then say, all aliens are evil. And if they are all evil then you probably should meet them with agression all the time. Sometimes you don’t defeat your opponent by destroying him, but by making him your friend, by converting him.

**It’s called “deception.” **

As for where I got the number 57 watch this;

youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

**And there’s also a steak sauce by that name. **

 

[Kitty_Chan]

I Its natural to blurt out answers without real work or research out of fear, anxiety, hate, or whatever. People who read these posts can come up with their own conclusions.

I dont think you are reading our comments very carefully to come to these conclusions, blurting?? no real research or answers? I know about the Area 51 in Russia you didnt mention it. Dont assume what people know, they may know more than you think.

I believe that the greys have put too much emphasis on technolagy and not enough on the spirit body connection. They therefore have large heads and little bodies. They are unable to connect to spiritual realities fully because they only connect to the intelectual. They have lost much, and thus they need to replace those losses by stealing from others. This patter can not sustain itself. However, they are still made in the image of God. And because of that, we must try to see the beautiful in them and the aspect of the divine in them. To demonize them is to act as God, the judge, and then to condemn them.

If the greys exist as aliens then indeed they were created by God and their little knees will bow to Him as well. Currentely they are not kind to their neighbours. Are they ignoring God and His commands of them? Did God leave them without anyway to discover the truth of Him, I think not.

We are not demonizing them, only discerning them to be what they are. God would have had to mess up bad to leave out part of His creation and sorry God doesnt make those kinds of errors. If these were part of the family of God, He would have mentioned it.

Have you asked yourself yet what fruit they bear?

Have you considered why they do not call on the Name of Jesus to help them in their deficiencies? I wonder if someone prayed or called on Jesus to help them if they would enjoy it??

 

[BlueKnight]

I apolagize if I offended you. I didn’t direct my comment to any one person in particular, but to a general response I was reading.

Sure I’ve asked that question and I’ve discerned as best as I am able.

But, I do it this way. I put a human persona behind the alien phenomenon and I ask myself why would a human or human group behave this way, I don’t demonize them.

I’m making suttle distinctions to be as specific and precise as possible.

Let me give you an example. Lets say your a physician who is treating a drug user who is emotionally abusing their children. Do you take the approach that because the fruits of this person’s life is destruction and damage, that you assign them the designation of “demon” or do you say what they really are a very very lost and sick person who needs help?

I also agree with you that a technologically advanced society should have an equally advanced spiritual approach. But, its difficult to judge things when your information is limited but with what we do know, I agree 100% that their is significant cause for concern. And I do believe the demonic may have something to do with the phenomenon as well, but again I’m not 100% sure.

For me to fully understand I’d have to interview a live alien myself to understand it psychology, spiritual bent, drives, integrity, personality, and motives. Since I don’t have that opportunity, I do look at the fruits. And yes, the fruits are not pretty.

BK

 

[Kitty_Chan]

no problem it can be a touchy topic, I understand, I can get the shakes just typing about it, I actually have to leave the topic alone at times.

Ok now its talking, I understand that you wish to have empathy for these and treat them as fellow creatures. Its comendable to consider their salvation.

I dont know if I could consider them in the same catagory as as drug user or a person emotionaly or physically even abusing their children. A drug user abuses themselves, the other abuses those they supposedly love.

These greys abuse those they dont know, they would be more in line with rapists or serial killers although they also stalk victims they know but usually its not.

And in these cases it is individuals not races or groups who behave in this way. The greys if they are have done so since the 50’s at least, so it is generational or at least a lifetimes “work”.

Also, they have not changed their looks (from descriptions) in 50 odd yrs. Nor have they changed their ways or approach. If they were in it for the science they had to have had some conclusions by now.

Anyway, thoughts for now, I gotta go to Costco be back if you like.

 

[lhagan]

I was wondering what some forum surfers think about the UFO phenomenon? Is it benevolent? Is it evil? Is it a great deception? Any (name removed by moderator)ut is welcomed.

A UFO is technology the government has yet to reveal.
There was one by the towers on 9/11, by the way.

 

[Kitty_Chan]

A UFO is technology the government has yet to reveal.
There was one by the towers on 9/11, by the way.

Then what did the terrorists go through all the trouble for? Just let the ufos do it? stupid terrorists.

ps what about the pentagon and the other sites, guess the ufos were there too.

 

[lhagan]

Then what did the terrorists go through all the trouble for? Just let the ufos do it? stupid terrorists.

ps what about the pentagon and the other sites, guess the ufos were there too.

The Terrors were a front. A mask over what really happened. But this is a UFO forum, not a conspiracy/truth forum.

 

[Kitty_Chan]

The Terrors were a front. A mask over what really happened. But this is a UFO forum, not a conspiracy/truth forum.

So how did the ufos get the terrorists to do what they wanted. For instance they flew the planes into the towers
why didnt the ufos just blow up the towers themselves
A alien invasion of a different kind. That would have made headlines

Its amazing not a soul noticed. Even me watching real time the second plane hit the towers, I didnt see the ufo directing them.

 

[BlueKnight]

Ihagan, you should try to present some evidence for what you say. Do you have links? And by the way, if that was a UFO conspiracy, it was not a UFO but an ARV (Alien Reproduction Vehicle). You might want to explain that. Don’t forget to find the links that show the disclosure project press conference that went on just before the Towers went down…

 

[Jennifer123]

Have you considered why they do not call on the Name of Jesus to help them in their deficiencies? I wonder if someone prayed or called on Jesus to help them if they would enjoy it??

Interesting discussion!

This is what intrigues me about this subject, I’d like to know how many abductees consider themselves practicing Christians. The little I’ve heard of the abduction experience, that those who appealed to Jesus Christ were immediately left alone. Seems to me many more abductees were of little religious experience or active new-ager types.

Is that innaccurate?

 

[lhagan]

So how did the ufos get the terrorists to do what they wanted. For instance they flew the planes into the towers
why didnt the ufos just blow up the towers themselves
A alien invasion of a different kind. That would have made headlines

Its amazing not a soul noticed. Even me watching real time the second plane hit the towers, I didnt see the ufo directing them.

I never said there was at the same time of the attack. I see now I said “on 9/11”, I apologize for my mistake in wording that sentence. I was very tired yesterday. The footage I seen said it was taken the day before. Google it.

More twisting of my words and demanding sources. That’s all i see from catholics for debates.–
Both any body’s laziness for not siting sources and your laziness for not googling it doesn’t debunk anything.
Separating UFO and unrevealed technology to make me sound crazy is a nice trick. I also never said the UFO had anything to do with the attack. I was simply stating the fact that it was sighted.

 

[lhagan]

Ihagan, you should try to present some evidence for what you say. Do you have links? And by the way, if that was a UFO conspiracy, it was not a UFO but an ARV (Alien Reproduction Vehicle). You might want to explain that. Don’t forget to find the links that show the disclosure project press conference that went on just before the Towers went down…

Your fingers are just as capable as mine are to use Google.
I don’t believe in UFO conspiracies, therefore there can not be a ARV.
In my opinion UFOs are simply man made planes. Made with technology that has yet to be revealed.

 

[Kitty_Chan]

Interesting discussion!

This is what intrigues me about this subject, I’d like to know how many abductees consider themselves practicing Christians. The little I’ve heard of the abduction experience, that those who appealed to Jesus Christ were immediately left alone. Seems to me many more abductees were of little religious experience or active new-ager types.

Is that innaccurate?

You got it also to add they are looking for answers. And yes those that call on Jesus are left alone immediately. But it can be a bit of a process.

 

[snowfly]

I was wondering what some forum surfers think about the UFO phenomenon? Is it benevolent? Is it evil? Is it a great deception? Any (name removed by moderator)ut is welcomed.

What are UFOs ?

Unidentified Flying Objects.

Is it evil ?

Could be.

Are they a threat ?

When I Identify one I’ll let you know.

 

[Kitty_Chan]

I never said there was at the same time of the attack. I see now I said “on 9/11”, I apologize for my mistake in wording that sentence. I was very tired yesterday. The footage I seen said it was taken the day before. Google it.

I accept you apology, I hope you can understand my response based on the information I had.

So what does it have anything to do with the attack if they were indeed there the day before. Thats like saying I was in a intersection and the next day there was a accident.

just curious

More twisting of my words and demanding sources. That’s all i see from catholics for debates.–
Both any body’s laziness for not siting sources and your laziness for not googling it doesn’t debunk anything.
Separating UFO and unrevealed technology to make me sound crazy is a nice trick. I also never said the UFO had anything to do with the attack. I was simply stating the fact that it was sighted.

btw no one attacked you, we merely stated you back your claims. If you cant stand accountable for what you say then dont say it, which is a bible verse btw.

State where and when its sighted so all can see the same evidence. But like I said first explain what it being there the day before had anything to do with anything.

 

[Kitty_Chan]

In my opinion UFOs are simply man made planes. Made with technology that has yet to be revealed.

If I may comment on your comment to Blue Knight.

Do explain, your on a roll there, being man made.

But are you going to suggest it was the american military.

if so same question I asked before, about the day before.

and that is another thread, you are correct there.

 

[lhagan]

I accept you apology, I hope you can understand my response based on the information I had.

So what does it have anything to do with the attack if they were indeed there the day before. Thats like saying I was in a intersection and the next day there was a accident.

just curious

[quot]More twisting of my words and demanding sources. That’s all i see from catholics for debates.–
Both any body’s laziness for not siting sources and your laziness for not googling it doesn’t debunk anything.
Separating UFO and unrevealed technology to make me sound crazy is a nice trick. I also never said the UFO had anything to do with the attack. I was simply stating the fact that it was sighted.

btw no one attacked you, we merely stated you back your claims. If you cant stand accountable for what you say then dont say it, which is a bible verse btw.

State where and when its sighted so all can see the same evidence. But like I said first explain what it being there the day before had anything to do with anything.



I just meant it as a place holder in time. Not that it was connected.

You stated me back part of my claims. If I read “on 9/11” I wouldn’t automatically think they meant during the attacks.
And, you dropped “unrevealed technology” from my claim.

Which bible verse? Who isn’t siting their sources now? Kidding but, you get my point about siting sources.