What are you doing to get unity?

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John Paul II was “virtually obsessed with trying to achieve unity with the Orthodox.”
I live with four Roman Catholic men of my age. Our friends nicknamed us the monastery. I am the only non RC in the house. Often we are up till the wee hours of the morning talking about the difference in perspectives. The friendship is great. The most common greeting in the hous is a tounge in cheek “whats up heratic.”
What are you doing to find unity?
If we all have sacraments Orthodox and Catholic, then none of us can truly be heratics. If we are not heratics we should have communion. Aftrer all that is what Christ prayed for.
I am not looking to start a who is right and who is wrong thread here. I want to know is anyone else like JPII, or is that just a charism he got after elevation to the See of Peter?
 
We Traditional Latin Catholics don’t want unity at the expense of Truth.
 
Celebrating Mass with proper dispostions, reverence, and sacrifice (personal). Liturgy makes history.

Oh, yeah, I almost forgot. Don’t contracept and you’ll see changes. 2008 is 40 years after Humane Vitae, hopefully this wicked generation (1968-2008) will pass and we enter into the third millenia with this poison removed.
 
I am friends with a number of Orthodox, Eastern Catholics, and Roman Catholics. I try to always provide points of unity and dispel misunderstandings to the best of my ability. I am far from perfect, but I do what I can.

I participate in and coordinate joint service projects focused on feeding the poor, clothing the naked, and the pro-life movement. I also participate in and coordinate joint para-liturgical and seasonal activities between Eastern Catholics and Eastern Orthodox. A number of Orthodox would not participate in prayer led by a Catholic, and a few weren’t OK with having a prayer service Catholics were invited to attend. The second group isn’t very unity-minded, but we’ve been able to work through the issues with the first group.

We don’t have a lot of support still so presence has been spotty. Right now, it is in a downturn because the local Orthodox have several vocal people in the second group, but we continue to pray and do what we can. It is mostly on a person-to-person basis, but that’s better than nothing.
 
surgei said:
If we all have sacraments Orthodox and Catholic, then none of us can truly be heratics. If we are not heratics we should have communion.
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Small point to be made, but heresy does not preclude sacraments having grace or being valid. Not that I am advancing the notion of one or the other being in heresy.
surgei said:
Aftrer all that is what Christ prayed for.I am not looking to start a who is right and who is wrong thread here. I want to know is anyone else like JPII, or is that just a charism he got after elevation to the See of Peter?
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No, you will find there are a number of bishops, priests, deacons and laymen working for unity. As a rule, the first effort must be prayer, the second charity, and the third frank and honest discussion with a view to making a real effort to understanding each other and getting to the hearts of the problem.
 
surgei said:
If we all have sacraments Orthodox and Catholic, then none of us can truly be heratics. If we are not heratics we should have communion. Aftrer all that is what Christ prayed for.
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Um you do realize the Catholic Church allows Orthodox to receive communion with her, but the Orthodox Church refuses to communicate Catholics. The Catholic Church recognizes Orthodox sacraments including Baptism and Holy Orders, the Orthodox Church does not recognize Catholic sacraments. Maybe you should post your rant on an Orthodox forum?
 
During my morning offering, I pray for unity among Christians. I deeply desire union with my Eastern Christian brethren. :crossrc::byzsoc:
 
puzzleannie said:
Um you do realize the Catholic Church allows Orthodox to receive communion with her, but the Orthodox Church refuses to communicate Catholics. The Catholic Church recognizes Orthodox sacraments including Baptism and Holy Orders, the Orthodox Church does not recognize Catholic sacraments. Maybe you should post your rant on an Orthodox forum?
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Roman Catholic sacraments are recognized by the Orthodox.
I have never been recieved for comunion at a Roman Catholic Church.
My best friend is a Naval Officer and we often go to the house of his chaplin for mass. Father has never offered me comunion or confession. As there are only three of us there I don’t think he just “missed me in the crowd.”
This wasn’t a rant. It was a question from the heart.
 
East_and_West said:
We Traditional Latin Catholics don’t want unity at the expense of Truth.
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amen brother,at the 4th of July celebration back in 2002…our town lost some 21 young men …I spoke from the bandstand on great deeds…one was a Jewish sailor who tried to do his best saving a french sea captain in the northatlantic re; 1942…I worked this story in to off set the anti-semitism that grew after 9-11…I also am working with a scout leader ,who is Jewish and another who is protestant on a big event coming up next year that will draw thousands, I delivered a presentation to our local senior center the other day on co-incidences or … (of course the dots are my guardian angel) I have found thru a long life that living by example is the only way to soften the smear against holy mother church and maybe bring some ‘unity’ back in…God is always talking to us all we have to do is give the Guy an ear once in a while…
 
Surgei, the Orthodox church does not allow you to receive in a Catholic Church and the Catholic priest was probably being mindful of that. The Catholic Church allows Catholics to receive in the Orthodox Church, and has stated Orthodox have valid sacraments, but out of respect for the Orthodox, Catholics do not receive in an Orthodox Church, since the Orthodox do not want us to.

Surgei, I think I can see your sincerity in your posts and we can join our prayers together for unity among both the Eastern Orthodox and the Catholic Churches. I sit in an Eastern Orthodox church a few times a week and I do not receive, but offer it to God in hopes of a reconciliation someday.

Glad
 
Through continuous prayers and patience, not to mention reconcilation and dialogue. I believe the in the future, the Eastern Orthodox Church and Catholic Church will be one. This will happen and I pray I will live in that age…
 
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surgei:
What are you doing to find unity?
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Prayer, for the most part.

Also concrete dialogue at times. Taking special care to avoid “a false irenicism, in which the purity of Catholic doctrine suffers loss and its genuine and certain meaning is clouded.” (Unitatis Redintegratio), which unfortunately is all too common in many ecumenical endeavors now a day.
 
Praying for the most part. Apart from that their isn’t much one can do. I also pray for Orthodox Christians wherever they may be persecuted by Islam.
 
puzzleannie said:
Um you do realize the Catholic Church allows Orthodox to receive communion with her, but the Orthodox Church refuses to communicate Catholics. The Catholic Church recognizes Orthodox sacraments including Baptism and Holy Orders, the Orthodox Church does not recognize Catholic sacraments. Maybe you should post your rant on an Orthodox forum?
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In order to receive the Eucharist, one should be in agreement with the celebrating Church (true unity–that is how the Orthodox churches are united). Therefore, it would be wrong for Catholics to receive in an Orthodox church. That is why Orthodox refuse to give it.

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius:cool:
 
Seamus_L said:
Praying for the most part. Apart from that their isn’t much one can do. I also pray for Orthodox Christians wherever they may be persecuted by Islam.
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The last part is awsome but it is not only Islam that persecutes the Orthodox. In Russia 80,000,000 died for their Orthodox faith over the last century due to communism. Christians are dieing around the world even to this day. May the blood of the martyrs find soil prepared in the hearts of the martyr makers.
 
GladCatholic said:
Surgei, the Orthodox church does not allow you to receive in a Catholic Church and the Catholic priest was probably being mindful of that.
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I agree with Glad. The priest is being respectful of your faith and his own rubrics by not approaching you.

“Catholic ministers may licitly administer the sacraments of penance, Eucharist and anointing of the sick to members of the oriental churches which do not have full Communion with the Catholic Church, if they ask on their own for the sacraments and are properly disposed. This holds also for members of other churches, which in the judgment of the Apostolic See are in the same condition as the oriental churches as far as these sacraments are concerned” (CIC 844 § 3).
 
puzzleannie said:
Um you do realize the Catholic Church allows Orthodox to receive communion with her, but the Orthodox Church refuses to communicate Catholics. The Catholic Church recognizes Orthodox sacraments including Baptism and Holy Orders, the Orthodox Church does not recognize Catholic sacraments. Maybe you should post your rant on an Orthodox forum?
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Annie,

You uncharitably mischaracterize a sincere query as a rant - I think you’d do well to read and understand the point being made before being presumptuous in response.

Many years,

Neil
 
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