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greylorn
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If you add a legitimate physics-based definition of “organic spirit” and “G-d given soul” to that pretentious melange of intellectual tripe, I’ll be impressed. Otherwise, IMO you’re FOS.
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FurtherSuntime
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Looking up exact meaning of entity, Entity must be my pick. Couldn’t a collection of particles
include a random handful, so safe bet would be entity…existence and so forth.
Frightfully we may reincarnate into ourselves.A life lived out for each moment toppling millions of lives in millions of dimensions… Ever had a… almost didn’t make it, the car swishes by, the appendectomy at 12. As the clock ticks along , the exact same clock may tick again, only the self will be a moment further to the ultimate self. As self is now a moment further than the previous self All history following along one step at a time.The present moment being a cross section revealing the lively present… life experience .
Could it be, only this time? Or is there more, more behind and in front. A determined plant which can only flower once complete. Why can’t a life be relative to the… whole same life… reliant on identical one moment ahead circumstance to progress I wonder.
All neatly shuffled in to the multiple growing you at the exact same table with the exact same shuffled deck of players A flower in a single season of many. It must be you. You are back & only a moment away as I too, am just a moment away…away from our yesterlife.
Hopefully this is baloney but it does bother me. The other possibility is the combination of mood, emotion timing all exact detail of parental involvement at conception. The personality and all other relying on genes , parental peculiarities and the complexity of detail at conception. Creating a reflection of all in occurrence. Thus the self . Self then a representative of the moment in every way. Self a success in the result of self. Self then rightfully in a position to contribute to humanity. A success in coming to being then…promoting…being.
Well its been a long day and I had a thought the other day. What about habit… The hair and nails continue to grow after passing on. The fish looks alive after the head is off, lots of bugs behave this way…Nerves…ok, but thats a habitual . So there are things in the composition of a being which reject death. A moment. But it still is a moment due to habit. The operations of the mind within the flow of time has got to take the cake on habit. The mind cannot do much else but realize itself. Perhaps the idea of habit and consciousness create the necessary magic. We then…JuMp…out our earthly body out of, the habitual reality of self thought itself.
Bingo…says God, what took you so long to figure that out Further? Not sure …Seems ok for now…tomorows another day…
include a random handful, so safe bet would be entity…existence and so forth.
Frightfully we may reincarnate into ourselves.A life lived out for each moment toppling millions of lives in millions of dimensions… Ever had a… almost didn’t make it, the car swishes by, the appendectomy at 12. As the clock ticks along , the exact same clock may tick again, only the self will be a moment further to the ultimate self. As self is now a moment further than the previous self All history following along one step at a time.The present moment being a cross section revealing the lively present… life experience .
Could it be, only this time? Or is there more, more behind and in front. A determined plant which can only flower once complete. Why can’t a life be relative to the… whole same life… reliant on identical one moment ahead circumstance to progress I wonder.
All neatly shuffled in to the multiple growing you at the exact same table with the exact same shuffled deck of players A flower in a single season of many. It must be you. You are back & only a moment away as I too, am just a moment away…away from our yesterlife.
Hopefully this is baloney but it does bother me. The other possibility is the combination of mood, emotion timing all exact detail of parental involvement at conception. The personality and all other relying on genes , parental peculiarities and the complexity of detail at conception. Creating a reflection of all in occurrence. Thus the self . Self then a representative of the moment in every way. Self a success in the result of self. Self then rightfully in a position to contribute to humanity. A success in coming to being then…promoting…being.
Well its been a long day and I had a thought the other day. What about habit… The hair and nails continue to grow after passing on. The fish looks alive after the head is off, lots of bugs behave this way…Nerves…ok, but thats a habitual . So there are things in the composition of a being which reject death. A moment. But it still is a moment due to habit. The operations of the mind within the flow of time has got to take the cake on habit. The mind cannot do much else but realize itself. Perhaps the idea of habit and consciousness create the necessary magic. We then…JuMp…out our earthly body out of, the habitual reality of self thought itself.
Bingo…says God, what took you so long to figure that out Further? Not sure …Seems ok for now…tomorows another day…
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tonyrey
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Yes what?
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tonyrey
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A warm welcome to the forum! We need some youngsters.
How do the particles possess intelligence, emotion, and free will?
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tonyrey
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I can’t remember my first wrapping but I’m delighted you believe in Design.
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tonyrey
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You’ve given us enough ideas to keep us going for a long time! What makes you believe in reincarnation? I find one body quite enough to cope with…
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tonyrey
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I don’t bother with libraries - except to borrow sheet music. There’s more than enough info online…
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tonyrey
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I agree with the distinction between body and soul but I’m not so sure about “enclosed” - unless it’s a metaphor.
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tonyrey
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The truth has a habit of never being out of date! When did particles cease to exist?
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FurtherSuntime
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Hi its been a long day…don’t really believe in reincarnation, but some of the idea behind it kinda bothers me.re possibility Although non memory in a way debunks the major idea in advance from past life.No memory so how can it not defeat its purpose…not an expert in this though & and I’m sure I don’t know even close to what it entails.altogether…Its interesting and I like exploring idea’sYou’ve given us enough ideas to keep us going for a long time! What makes you believe in reincarnation? I find one body quite enough to cope with…
Anyway…your getting very close to whats called…“The Hard Problem” Consciousness not possible from non-conscious bodily elements.(evolution)…or consciousness not a logical evolving progression… like the guys trying to build consciousness into robotics…they really don’t know where to start…best minds in the world working on it…(edit…apparently)
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tonyrey
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I’m glad to see your remark that the best minds (rather than the best brains) are working on it! There is no evidence that brains know what they’re doing…
Poor things!
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dsmantz
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Greylorn, your opinions are welcome. The pretentious, holier than thou attitude is not. No need to smart about it, okay? Good, glad we got that straightened out.
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4Horsemen
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I was defining my “self” as an entity (using the term in the OP) composed of both body and soul. I didn’t say I am a body which HAS a soul.
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minkymurph
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Right now I reckon I’m a collection of particles because my brain is scrambled :whacky:
and I’ve lost my soul.:frighten:
and I’ve lost my soul.:frighten:
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4Horsemen
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Why the “and?” Because I was elaborating on the idea of “entity.” as essential nature of the human being. However in Scriipture, “soul” often refers to the entire form of the person. Yet it can also refer to the innermost aspect of man, “that which is of greatest value in him, that by which he is most especially in God’s image” (Catechism 363), the spiritual principle in man.
As for what persists in man after death, it is the soul, most certainly since it is because of a spiritual soul that the body (made of matter, particles, neurons, etc. . . ) becomes a living human person, a single nature.
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tonyrey
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I am an entity because I am real and distinct; I am a collection of particles because science describe me as such. However I prefer to think of myself as a human being made in the image of God. Surprisingly tonyrey’s phrase, “entity and collection of particles” resonates with my view of what it means to be made in the image of God. To explain that would require a far greater explanation than this forum is designed to allow. However, such an explanation is based on the following observation:
All matter consists of atoms; atoms consist of electrons surrounding a nucleus; the nucleus is composed of neutrons and protons; and neutrons and protons are composed of quarks. However since, electrons and quarks are both considered to be “point particles”, one could argue that matter is nothing but “points of space”. The diameter of a typical atom is 50,000 times as large as the diameter of the nucleus. Obviously most of the atom, and indeed most of the universe, is “space” in which the “points of space” that form matter are imbedded. This suggests two kinds of space, the space that forms matter and the space that provides the background in which matter is formed. I argue that the duality of space is the basis for reality consisting of both a material and a spiritual component. The “space” in which matter is imbedded is the spitual component of reality.
From such a structure of duality, it is possible to devise a model that explains how we are made in the image of God, an image that is both a “spiritualized” entity and a “collection of particles”.
Yppop
I am an entity because I am real and distinct; I am a collection of particles because science describe me as such. However I prefer to think of myself as a human being made in the image of God. Surprisingly tonyrey’s phrase, “entity and collection of particles” resonates with my view of what it means to be made in the image of God. To explain that would require a far greater explanation than this forum is designed to allow. However, such an explanation is based on the following observation:
All matter consists of atoms; atoms consist of electrons surrounding a nucleus; the nucleus is composed of neutrons and protons; and neutrons and protons are composed of quarks. However since, electrons and quarks are both considered to be “point particles”, one could argue that matter is nothing but “points of space”. The diameter of a typical atom is 50,000 times as large as the diameter of the nucleus. Obviously most of the atom, and indeed most of the universe, is “space” in which the “points of space” that form matter are imbedded. This suggests two kinds of space, the space that forms matter and the space that provides the background in which matter is formed. I argue that the duality of space is the basis for reality consisting of both a material and a spiritual component. The “space” in which matter is imbedded is the spitual component of reality.
From such a structure of duality, it is possible to devise a model that explains how we are made in the image of God, an image that is both a “spiritualized” entity and a “collection of particles”.
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minkymurph
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Yeah, consequence of a well planned, metaphorically speaking, assassination attempt that almost worked. Since then I haven’t been able to find it.:nope:I’ll pray for you… .Do you know how you lost it?
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JontheMaronite
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I was asked this question and was wondering if I could get some (name removed by moderator)ut here:
If the consciousness is a “thing,” but all mental characteristics and personal identifiers are, as far as we can tell, specifically rooted in the physical structure of the brain, what is the actual appreciable difference between two consciousnesses?
If the consciousness is a “thing,” but all mental characteristics and personal identifiers are, as far as we can tell, specifically rooted in the physical structure of the brain, what is the actual appreciable difference between two consciousnesses?
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minkymurph
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I watched a documentary relating to something like this. Apparently it has not been established exactly what consciousness is. There are differing opinions on it.
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