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I watched a documentary relating to something like this. Apparently it has not been established exactly what consciousness is. There are differing opinions on it.
Well, if we were to connect it to the animating principle, the part of us that makes us human beings and not animals, how would we differentiate between the consciousnesses/souls of two human beings? Perhaps an explanation of the wide spectrum of mental and moral character?
 
I was asked this question and was wondering if I could get some (name removed by moderator)ut here:

If the consciousness is a “thing,” but all mental characteristics and personal identifiers are, as far as we can tell, specifically rooted in the physical structure of the brain, what is the actual appreciable difference between two consciousnesses?
subjectivity, change, continuity, and selectivity

I’m not grasping the “thing” part? Consciousness cannot be a thing. You can be conscious of your body but your body is not conscious. You can be conscious of your mind but your mind is not conscious.

When you are in a state of unconsciousness are you conscious?
 
A person…an embodied spirit…a Christian fore most!
Ah the Bible…A Soul, and what is a Soul? Conscious Energy no?

Well energy can’t be destroyed only displaced…Right?

So while the particles “matter” may go in the ground. The Energy is going elsewhere for sure. 100% guarenteed.
 
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I am an entity because I am real and distinct; I am a collection of particles because science describe me as such. However I prefer to think of myself as a human being made in the image of God. Surprisingly tonyrey’s phrase, “entity and collection of particles” resonates with my view of what it means to be made in the image of God. To explain that would require a far greater explanation than this forum is designed to allow. However, such an explanation is based on the following observation:

All matter consists of atoms; atoms consist of electrons surrounding a nucleus; the nucleus is composed of neutrons and protons; and neutrons and protons are composed of quarks. However since, electrons and quarks are both considered to be “point particles”, one could argue that matter is nothing but “points of space”. The diameter of a typical atom is 50,000 times as large as the diameter of the nucleus. Obviously most of the atom, and indeed most of the universe, is “space” in which the “points of space” that form matter are imbedded. This suggests two kinds of space, the space that forms matter and the space that provides the background in which matter is formed. I argue that the duality of space is the basis for reality consisting of both a material and a spiritual component. The “space” in which matter is imbedded is the spitual component of reality.

From such a structure of duality, it is possible to devise a model that explains how we are made in the image of God, an image that is both a “spiritualized” entity and a “collection of particles”.

Yppop
On a quick break…like your thinking here, ever factor in dark energy-matter…? Perhaps a mental thought contributes or is a quantity of dark energy. plus the interesting ratio of believed dark energy in creation…hmm
 
Definatly thought provoking, have to figure in the 65% oxygen also. So whatever happened which I believe is God, happened in a area conducive to Oxygen. hum…
 
Yeah, consequence of a well planned, metaphorically speaking, assassination attempt that almost worked. Since then I haven’t been able to find it.:nope:
Then you were almost a martyr! You’ll find your soul in heaven. :heaven:
 
Well, if we were to connect it to the animating principle, the part of us that makes us human beings and not animals, how would we differentiate between the consciousnesses/souls of two human beings? Perhaps an explanation of the wide spectrum of mental and moral character?
Well, the documentary I was watching was about out of body experiences. That’s why consciousness was being discussed. At what point can we say a person looses consciousness? At what point can we say a person is dead? Is it when brain activity ceases? Is it before/after that? Is there something that still exists/leaves the body when we die?
 
Then you were almost a martyr! You’ll find your soul in heaven. :heaven:
That’s kind of you. I’ll just have to live without it in the meantime. But hey, every cloud has a silver lining. If my soul’s in heaven and I’m almost a martyr, I get to stay with my loved one’s a bit longer. 🙂
 
Well, the documentary I was watching was about out of body experiences. That’s why consciousness was being discussed. At what point can we say a person looses consciousness? At what point can we say a person is dead? Is it when brain activity ceases? Is it before/after that? Is there something that still exists/leaves the body when we die?
You can also be unconsious and function. But you won’t know anything you did. Medically speaking when the individuals vital signs are stable but unable to respond to any degree he’s unconscious. Death is no vital signs, flat-line. But here at this point the Energy has to displace. Out of body experience, people actually viewing themself from above on the operating tables, white light etc. Some see Angels some have verbal conversations.

I believe the soul and the consciousness are the energy which leaves together. I’ve seen flat-line print outs that would spead across a room and the indivdual lived.

So this wasn’t come continued brain activity for that split second between life and death. No this was death and somehow they came back. 😃 They’re miracles and most trauma surgeons have witnessed something similiar especially if they have combat military experienece.

And the mystics of the church confirm the soul moving on.

Well you see whats accomplished with just electronics, lasar, cameras, and voice recorders. There’s some gifted people out here. Sensitives are nothing new either.

Exactly what all that is beside evil being caught is beyond me. It would appear there are trapped souls.

I know right here Mark Twains house has his daughter caught several times on tape. She died at an early age during a cold winter. Could she be trapped? An innocent kid? I don’t know. I’m a bit skepical about some of it, is the end actually being evil?

God Bless, Gary
 
You can also be unconsious and function. But you won’t know anything you did. Medically speaking when the individuals vital signs are stable but unable to respond to any degree he’s unconscious. Death is no vital signs, flat-line. But here at this point the Energy has to displace. Out of body experience, people actually viewing themself from above on the operating tables, white light etc. Some see Angels some have verbal conversations.

I believe the soul and the consciousness are the energy which leaves together. I’ve seen flat-line print outs that would spead across a room and the indivdual lived.

So this wasn’t come continued brain activity for that split second between life and death. No this was death and somehow they came back. 😃 They’re miracles and most trauma surgeons have witnessed something similiar especially if they have combat military experienece.

And the mystics of the church confirm the soul moving on.

Well you see whats accomplished with just electronics, lasar, cameras, and voice recorders. There’s some gifted people out here. Sensitives are nothing new either.

Exactly what all that is beside evil being caught is beyond me. It would appear there are trapped souls.

I know right here Mark Twains house has his daughter caught several times on tape. She died at an early age during a cold winter. Could she be trapped? An innocent kid? I don’t know. I’m a bit skepical about some of it, is the end actually being evil?

God Bless, Gary
Well I have to say the documentary was all theory. You and | likely have our own views about what was happening. Interestingly, what the program did say was that people who had these out of body experiences, their lives were dramatically changed, as it would be if something like that happened, and they all experienced similar things. We can but wonder. The reality is there are many things that we simply do not know.
 
I know an ex-atheist who had an OOB experience in her early twenties when she felf lost and that there was nothing to live for. She said she was sitting on the couch when she lost any desire or will to live. Suddenly, she found herself in a particular corner of the ceiling looking down at her body slumped on the couch with eyes closed. She wondered if she could get back with her body and had the will to live. All at once, she was back somehow connected with her body. She said she still didn’t believe in God, as yet at the time, but developed a greater appreciation of life.
 
You can also be unconscious and function. But you won’t know anything you did. Medically speaking when the individuals vital signs are stable but unable to respond to any degree he’s unconscious. Death is no vital signs, flat-line. But here at this point the Energy has to displace. Out of body experience, people actually viewing themself from above on the operating tables, white light etc. Some see Angels some have verbal conversations.

I believe the soul and the consciousness are the energy which leaves together. I’ve seen flat-line print outs that would spead across a room and the indivdual lived.

So this wasn’t come continued brain activity for that split second between life and death. No this was death and somehow they came back. 😃 They’re miracles and most trauma surgeons have witnessed something similiar especially if they have combat military experienece.

And the mystics of the church confirm the soul moving on.

Well you see whats accomplished with just electronics, lasar, cameras, and voice recorders. There’s some gifted people out here. Sensitives are nothing new either.

Exactly what all that is beside evil being caught is beyond me. It would appear there are trapped souls.

I know right here Mark Twains house has his daughter caught several times on tape. She died at an early age during a cold winter. Could she be trapped? An innocent kid? I don’t know. I’m a bit skepical about some of it, is the end actually being evil?

God Bless, Gary
I’m going to put my seat belt on and toss something out. Lets see…

A human being pass’s on.
Perhaps a pull from physical life which would be the greatest of all. A force .

A force which in magnitude creates a time dilation relative to previously known consciousness including existing happenings left behind. A force so great in self motion outwards from the living experience… a mere blink of an eye in its moment… absorbs the entire supply of fuel within our sun…Yes…perhaps then

…perhaps what Further…I demand to know

. Well, we may then all pass on just fine, at roughly the same time.
A gallant parade at once, of this interesting bunch

Now we have an opportunity to give a little time, so to say …for ones who like to stick around.

Ones that are compelled. Yes compelled to be involved, determined in spirit…work un-finished.
A monk perhaps,or Saint…compelled in Spirit to resist through choice in putting a little icing on the cake.

A horrifically abused soul perhaps which longed to love surely would be compelled to find her reason. A reason for longing. An excuse in need for need. The power in choice possibly through genuiness… in conformity with all genuineness …that is…

So we have our friends about us. Watching, wondering without interfering. Hoping, yes thats it…hoping is a good, a longing…we will hope along friends and don’t think for a moment…that we cannot see you!
 
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