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SacredHeartBassist
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Is being frumpy sinful
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Mi_Rose
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I sure hope not. I am retired and most days frumpy is my middle name. Someone upthread said something about modest clothes looking frumpy. They can or not.
The main problem is buying clothes that are too big just to hide curves. I don’t mean they should be skintight just the right size. If the right size is too tight move on to something else.
The main problem is buying clothes that are too big just to hide curves. I don’t mean they should be skintight just the right size. If the right size is too tight move on to something else.
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Jerusha
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Moving into my higher sixties, I find that wearing pants is uncomfortable. They bind at the waist, and exacerbate back pain. I am switching to leggings. However, I maintain my modesty by wearing them with long tops. Shapeless dresses are usually too frumpy.
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Psychae
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My husband just attended an evening of recollection at our FSSP parish (super traditional & conservative) and our Parochial Vicar’s talk was about modesty. Interestingly enough, hubby said Father only mentioned the way women dress once, and then only to say that that’s not what modesty is about.
Just wanted to throw that out there.
Just wanted to throw that out there.
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tweedlealice
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Blessings,
I’m 70yo and look 50, so I’m told. Thank you Jesus. The BLESSED MOTHER has addressed our lack of dress and was unhappy.
I love wearing maxi skirts. I have tunic tops that could be worn as a dress above the knee(2”).
I haven’t done that yet. If I do, I’d have tights on legs. I wear one piece bathing suits, some w skirt effect.
The sexual revolution turned sex into a god and women into a commodity. Being a prude is making a “joke.”
We are treasures created by God. Purity in dress and Spirit is a must.
Putting our faith to the side, we were created sensual beings. There is mystery to sensuality. One can catch a guys eye clothed more than our being naked. How the clothing drapes the body and a sweet smile is all we need. When I say drape, I don’t mean tight, nearly exposing body parts.
How can we get this message out to the young? Look up WALMART PPL on your computer.
I saw a teen wearing spandex underwear as clothes.
Forgive us. Are there any good mothers out there?
Mary, Mother most pure, and Joseph, chaste guardian of the Virgin, to you I entrust the purity of my soul and body. I beg you to plead with God for me that I may never for the remainder of my life soil my soul by any sin of impurity. I earnestly wish to be pure in thought, word and deed in imitation of your own holy purity. Obtain for me a deep sense of modesty, which will be reflected in my external conduct. Protect my eyes, the windows of my soul, from anything that might dim the luster of a heart that must mirror only Christ-like purity. And when the “Bread of Angels” becomes my food in Holy Communion, seal my heart forever against the suggestions of sinful pleasures. Finally, may I be among the number of those of whom Jesus spoke, “Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God.” Amen.
Saint Anthony, great wonder-worker, intercede for us that God may grant us our request if it be for the good of our soul.
Saint Anthony, be our patron, our protector, and our advocate in life and in death.
Saint Anthony, attentive to those who invoke thee, grant us the aid of thy powerful intercession for the grace of holy purity, meekness, humility, obedience, the spirit of poverty, and perfect abandonment to the will of God.
Saint Anthony, servant of Mary, obtain for us greater devotion to the blessed Mother of God
In Jesus name. Amen
In Christ’s love
Tweedlealice
I’m 70yo and look 50, so I’m told. Thank you Jesus. The BLESSED MOTHER has addressed our lack of dress and was unhappy.
I love wearing maxi skirts. I have tunic tops that could be worn as a dress above the knee(2”).
I haven’t done that yet. If I do, I’d have tights on legs. I wear one piece bathing suits, some w skirt effect.
The sexual revolution turned sex into a god and women into a commodity. Being a prude is making a “joke.”
We are treasures created by God. Purity in dress and Spirit is a must.
Putting our faith to the side, we were created sensual beings. There is mystery to sensuality. One can catch a guys eye clothed more than our being naked. How the clothing drapes the body and a sweet smile is all we need. When I say drape, I don’t mean tight, nearly exposing body parts.
How can we get this message out to the young? Look up WALMART PPL on your computer.
I saw a teen wearing spandex underwear as clothes.
Forgive us. Are there any good mothers out there?
Mary, Mother most pure, and Joseph, chaste guardian of the Virgin, to you I entrust the purity of my soul and body. I beg you to plead with God for me that I may never for the remainder of my life soil my soul by any sin of impurity. I earnestly wish to be pure in thought, word and deed in imitation of your own holy purity. Obtain for me a deep sense of modesty, which will be reflected in my external conduct. Protect my eyes, the windows of my soul, from anything that might dim the luster of a heart that must mirror only Christ-like purity. And when the “Bread of Angels” becomes my food in Holy Communion, seal my heart forever against the suggestions of sinful pleasures. Finally, may I be among the number of those of whom Jesus spoke, “Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God.” Amen.
Saint Anthony, great wonder-worker, intercede for us that God may grant us our request if it be for the good of our soul.
Saint Anthony, be our patron, our protector, and our advocate in life and in death.
Saint Anthony, attentive to those who invoke thee, grant us the aid of thy powerful intercession for the grace of holy purity, meekness, humility, obedience, the spirit of poverty, and perfect abandonment to the will of God.
Saint Anthony, servant of Mary, obtain for us greater devotion to the blessed Mother of God
In Jesus name. Amen
In Christ’s love
Tweedlealice
Tis_Bearself
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Frumpiness is relative. Some people think anything that doesn’t show your body shape is automatically frumpy. But there have been eras of fashion in the last 100 years where the style was loose clothes that didn’t hug your body and maybe just hinted at your shape. Frumpy is in the eye of the beholder.
I’m personally not a fan of the current styles of body-hugging everything, and that’s not because I think it’s frumpy, I just think it’s ugly-looking and uncomfortable-looking as well. There have been other eras of fitted clothes, like the 40s or to some extent the 50s, where the clothes actually looked really nice. The ones today just don’t, to my eyes, partly because the whole idea of a tailor properly fitting an outfit to someone’s body has gone out the window unless you pay a large amount of money for tailoring. I have, and the results were great, but most people don’t have that kind of money to spend on clothes, and I only did it because it was expected for my work at the time. I certainly don’t bother with it now.
I’m personally not a fan of the current styles of body-hugging everything, and that’s not because I think it’s frumpy, I just think it’s ugly-looking and uncomfortable-looking as well. There have been other eras of fitted clothes, like the 40s or to some extent the 50s, where the clothes actually looked really nice. The ones today just don’t, to my eyes, partly because the whole idea of a tailor properly fitting an outfit to someone’s body has gone out the window unless you pay a large amount of money for tailoring. I have, and the results were great, but most people don’t have that kind of money to spend on clothes, and I only did it because it was expected for my work at the time. I certainly don’t bother with it now.
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alice24
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In short: the theme is overrated and a bit annoying as it seems to be the new ideological playground for so-called traditionalists .
I think a woman or man can be (not look!) modest no matter how he or she dresses. A certain fashion style makes this probably more easy or difficult, but in the end, the behaviour weights more. Trousers are in many cultures a modest attire for women. While I don’t wear mini skirts, because I simply think it’s more for teens and I prefer more business like or elegant clothing if I dress Up (on a daily Office/walk the dog basis, black shirt and slacks go for both) , I still have no problem with going to the bagna with my friends. I don’t share this naked body craze, and still no one have an overly sexual free image of me.
I think a woman or man can be (not look!) modest no matter how he or she dresses. A certain fashion style makes this probably more easy or difficult, but in the end, the behaviour weights more. Trousers are in many cultures a modest attire for women. While I don’t wear mini skirts, because I simply think it’s more for teens and I prefer more business like or elegant clothing if I dress Up (on a daily Office/walk the dog basis, black shirt and slacks go for both) , I still have no problem with going to the bagna with my friends. I don’t share this naked body craze, and still no one have an overly sexual free image of me.
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Tis_Bearself
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Your Parochial Vicar is a wise man.
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Lara
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Most women would do well to sew their own clothes, at least their blouses. Manufactured clothing can hardly be expected to fit everybody, especially if you’re overweight.
Women’s clothes are often graded up from a size 8. But that doesn’t account for the fact that if you’re a size 16 or 18, you are mostly that size because of your stomach. So you will find the upper portion of those blouses aren’t correct around your neck. Also, they only account for a size B bosom, and anybody larger has trouble.
Also, the fashion designers often want low necks to help with proportion. So for instance, a low neck balances the size of the face.
As a seamstress, I’m amazed how few people actually fit the clothes they wear. That would seem important to not looking frumpy.
Women’s clothes are often graded up from a size 8. But that doesn’t account for the fact that if you’re a size 16 or 18, you are mostly that size because of your stomach. So you will find the upper portion of those blouses aren’t correct around your neck. Also, they only account for a size B bosom, and anybody larger has trouble.
Also, the fashion designers often want low necks to help with proportion. So for instance, a low neck balances the size of the face.
As a seamstress, I’m amazed how few people actually fit the clothes they wear. That would seem important to not looking frumpy.
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SusanneT
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I don’t agree with that at all. And they did perfectly well for many centuries for women who live much harder lives than we do.
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TheLittleLady
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I wear what is almost a uniform.
Black cigarette pants, tunic tops in black, charcoal or navy. Occasionally if it is very cold I will wear a sweater (again, black or grey). I layer with pieces again in grey or black. I always wear sleeves because my arms are of a very funny shape.
Black socks, black shoes. This summer I may have a pair of black sandals made. (I only own one pair of shoes now, it would be quite a splurge for me to add a second pair).
For color I add a statement necklace, a scarf, sometimes a hat, and love to play with colored cosmetics and fun hair color.
Black cigarette pants, tunic tops in black, charcoal or navy. Occasionally if it is very cold I will wear a sweater (again, black or grey). I layer with pieces again in grey or black. I always wear sleeves because my arms are of a very funny shape.
Black socks, black shoes. This summer I may have a pair of black sandals made. (I only own one pair of shoes now, it would be quite a splurge for me to add a second pair).
For color I add a statement necklace, a scarf, sometimes a hat, and love to play with colored cosmetics and fun hair color.
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Mintaka
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Re: Fatima “fashions will be introduced”
- Didn’t get said at Fatima. Probably didn’t get said by Mary.
- Got said by St. Jacinta, according to Mother Godinho, who ran the orphanage where Jacinta was staying while being treated in a big city hospital. It wasn’t from a transcript, so it probably is a paraphrase, not a direct quote; although Mother Godinho apparently did her best to recall exact words, and wrote them down soon after talking to Jacinta. I used to think it was an unlikely thing for a kiddie to say, even in her last illness; but Lucia said that Jacinta did come up with solemn comments like that, after they all started getting serious about religion. Sometimes it was clear that she was getting things from Mary or other adults, sometimes they were her own insights and ideas, and sometimes it wasn’t clear either way. You apparently had to ask her about the third category, if you needed to find out.
- Apparently their pastor at one point did a lot of preaching about modernity, and Jacinta was getting treated in a Lisbon hospital where everybody dressed differently than they did at home. Jacinta was also very shy about getting undressed in front of doctors or nurses. It was totally different from things at home, and she was worried that she might be causing other people to have impure thoughts by being naked in front of them. (Again, something the pastor talked about to the older kids, and which younger kids had garbled ideas about. And heck, maybe she had some creepy doctors or nurses, for all we know.) So Jacinta talked a lot to Mother Godinho about her worries.
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Mintaka
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Re: Are dresses practical?
They are and they aren’t.
Basically, it’s a matter of cut and style, as well as a matter of what shoes you wear with them. If you are using sturdy material and a practical cut that fits you, almost any length of dress can be used for hard work.
But in the old days, until Victorian times, it was widely accepted for a woman to “kilt up her skirts” if she was doing work that could trip her. You often see medieval peasant women depicted in the fields with their skirts flipped up and tucked into belts, skirts pulled up high with material flopping over their belts, skirts tied in various fashions, etc.
And obviously, men did this too, in the ages when robes and kilts and other skirts were what men wore.
They are and they aren’t.
Basically, it’s a matter of cut and style, as well as a matter of what shoes you wear with them. If you are using sturdy material and a practical cut that fits you, almost any length of dress can be used for hard work.
But in the old days, until Victorian times, it was widely accepted for a woman to “kilt up her skirts” if she was doing work that could trip her. You often see medieval peasant women depicted in the fields with their skirts flipped up and tucked into belts, skirts pulled up high with material flopping over their belts, skirts tied in various fashions, etc.
And obviously, men did this too, in the ages when robes and kilts and other skirts were what men wore.
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Bruised_Reed
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Oh, for crying out loud. What do you think women should wear when we are exercising? It may be “fashion” when colors and patterns are considered, but there are some very plain yoga pants that are utilitarian at best. Really, though; what do you think we should wear?
PS: I don’t really care if you or anyone thinks I look good while working out. I’m not doing it so people can look at me.
And for what it’s worth I know that a lot of people avoid going to gyms or otherwise start an exercise program giving the reason that they are afraid that people will judge them. Are you one of those guys who yells things or moos at women when they are outside running or walking? Do you rail against brands that make activewear in plus sizes because it somehow promotes “fat acceptance”? Because it seems like you might be the type if you comment that a type of activewear might not be flattering on women. Do consider that comments like yours may discourage people who would like to get healthier from starting because they don’t want to be judged?
PS: I don’t really care if you or anyone thinks I look good while working out. I’m not doing it so people can look at me.
And for what it’s worth I know that a lot of people avoid going to gyms or otherwise start an exercise program giving the reason that they are afraid that people will judge them. Are you one of those guys who yells things or moos at women when they are outside running or walking? Do you rail against brands that make activewear in plus sizes because it somehow promotes “fat acceptance”? Because it seems like you might be the type if you comment that a type of activewear might not be flattering on women. Do consider that comments like yours may discourage people who would like to get healthier from starting because they don’t want to be judged?
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Bruised_Reed
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Those would get caught on the machines at the gym. Heck, I gave a sweater with roomy sleeves and the cuff gets caught on doorknobs. Loose clothing at the gym is a safety hazard.
Tis_Bearself
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Yeah, there’s a reason why people need to wear spandex at the gym (used to be leotards).
You don’t want your clothes getting caught in anything that has moving parts. You could seriously injure yourself.
Also, many gyms, at least in the past, had rules that your legs needed to be covered when using certain machines, so you need some pants that cover them without having any loose fabric that flops around.
You don’t want your clothes getting caught in anything that has moving parts. You could seriously injure yourself.
Also, many gyms, at least in the past, had rules that your legs needed to be covered when using certain machines, so you need some pants that cover them without having any loose fabric that flops around.
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Entwhistler
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I don’t know. But men don’t wear super tight yoga pants. Maybe just normal pants?
Super tight yoga pants are gross in my opinion on either men or women.
Super tight yoga pants are gross in my opinion on either men or women.
Tis_Bearself
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Well, if they’re being used for the purpose of doing yoga or other workouts, that’s what they’re for, not to look good (many of those yoga poses are pretty ridiculously unattractive in and of themselves).
If someone is wearing them on the street then I feel the same about them as I do about leggings - if you’re over 10 years old, you better be wearing a long shirt or tunic that hangs down over them or you’re going to look stupid.
If someone is wearing them on the street then I feel the same about them as I do about leggings - if you’re over 10 years old, you better be wearing a long shirt or tunic that hangs down over them or you’re going to look stupid.
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Bruised_Reed
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Now you are changing the goal posts a bit. You didn’t say super tight but there are times when that is appropriate. I need to wear something snug if I’m in my Pilates class or working with a personal trainer. The PT or instructor need to see my form to make needed corrections.
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