What Bible do you use? Why? Recommendations?

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I mainly use the RSV-SCE, specifically the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible New Testament, but I also have the complete bible in this translation. The Ignatius is my work horse bible. I like it better than the NAB which I use sparingly because I dislike the notes. They’re awful. They do not approach the scripture with mystery or typology in mind and that understanding of the bible is the cream of the crop to me. Ignatius is so much better.
 
I find that any inclusive-language text distorts the historical and cultural nuances of the Bible. I personally use the ESV most, since I think it is more accurate than the NRSV that is used in my denomination.

I do have a question for the DRC readers. Does it have the problem of the changing meaning of words to the same degree as the KJV?
The example that comes to mind is the use of the word “prevent” in a context which we would now use the word “precede.”
 
In the last few days - thanks to having had to brush up on my French for an unrelated reason - I’ve really been developing an increasingly favourable opinion of the French Bible de Jerusalem, which is the basis for the (slightly inferior) English Jerusalem and New Jerusalem Bibles.

Of course, it has the little drawback that you need to know French to read it. But it almost matches the RSV-CE as far as orthodoxy and the quality of the notes is concerned. If you’re looking for a “moderate” Bible - once that strikes a nice balance between the “conservative” D-R and the “liberal” NJB, NRSV and NAB/RE - this is definitely it in my book.

Another good thing about this Bible is that there are more references to Church Fathers’ interpretations, to the liturgy, and to allegories / typologies in the Old Testament than in the English NJB.

So if you can speak / read French with any level of comfort (it’s my second language, not my first!), I’d warmly recommend this one.
 
I have every Catholic and ecumenical translation and periodically I read then all. The two that I use the most are the RSV-2CE (second Catholic edition from Ignatius Press) and the NABRE. I also have the Navarre Bible (hardback-10 volumes) which I use for commentary (with great and detailed book introductions).
 
It sounds like the RSV-CE is a pretty good version from what I am hearing here and from what I have read elsewhere. I’ll probably order the ignatious rsv from amazon as soon as I can come up with the cash. I am back in school now, so I am dirt poor. Amazon seems too have it at a decent price. I can’t remember off the top of my head, but I think it was around twenty dollars. I am guessing amazon is probably one of the more inexpensive sites to get a bible, but I am open to other suggestions.
 
It sounds like the RSV-CE is a pretty good version from what I am hearing here and from what I have read elsewhere. I’ll probably order the ignatious rsv from amazon as soon as I can come up with the cash. I am back in school now, so I am dirt poor. Amazon seems too have it at a decent price. I can’t remember off the top of my head, but I think it was around twenty dollars. I am guessing amazon is probably one of the more inexpensive sites to get a bible, but I am open to other suggestions.
I think I paid like $26 or so on Amazon for that bible…very happy with it!
 
It sounds like the RSV-CE is a pretty good version from what I am hearing here and from what I have read elsewhere. I’ll probably order the ignatious rsv from amazon as soon as I can come up with the cash. I am back in school now, so I am dirt poor. Amazon seems too have it at a decent price. I can’t remember off the top of my head, but I think it was around twenty dollars. I am guessing amazon is probably one of the more inexpensive sites to get a bible, but I am open to other suggestions.
If you’re looking for the RSV-CE, make sure you get the 2nd edition (RSV-2CE) published by Ignatius Press. The first edition (RSV-CE) has a few infelicitous translations.

I paid the equivalent of $16-17 for a paperback copy which I bought online two years ago, and it has served me well ever since. 👍
 
If you’re looking for the RSV-CE, make sure you get the 2nd edition (RSV-2CE) published by Ignatius Press. The first edition (RSV-CE) has a few infelicitous translations.
Could you give us some examples of infelicitous translations in the RSV-CE? I have both the CE and 2CE.
 
Could you give us some examples of infelicitous translations in the RSV-CE? I have both the CE and 2CE.
Isaiah 7:14 is the big one: it’s “young woman” in the RSV-CE, but “virgin” in the RSV-2CE.

Psalm 139:14 - often cited in pro-life debates - reads “I praise thee, for thou art fearful and wonderful…” in the RSV-CE, but “I praise thee, for I am wondrously made” in the RSV-2CE.

“Steadfast love” (Hebrew hesed) is used in the RSV-CE, while “mercy” (a better translation, given the confusion about the meaning of “love” in a modern context) is used in the RSV-2CE.

The CE also uses a lot of "thee"s and "thou"s in the Old Testament (particularly striking in the Psalms), while the 2CE uses modern, but respectful, equivalents.

However, none of these (in my opinion), except for possibly Isaiah 7:14, are “deal breakers”. I own both the RSV-CE and the RSV-2CE as well ;), and the RSV-CE is used in the English translation of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Another huge advantage of the RSV-CE is that it’s available in a large print edition. However, since the OP wanted to stick to one version, I recommended the RSV-2CE.
 
Some time ago I penciled in “Virgin” in Isaiah my RSV-CE so I guess the biggest problem is solved at the local level. 🙂

I can live with Thees and Thous since I often use them in prayer anyway (that’s how my dad and all the adults at Church prayed when I was a kid). Of course, I know it is misleading to only translate the pronoun to Thee and Thou when people are talking to God, but I can live with it.

One point in favor of RSV-CE is the fact that the RSV is used by Protestants and Orthodox and Catholics. What other Bible version can make that amazing claim? The RSV-2CE takes one step away from that.

Still, if Ignatius would produce a true pocket version of the RSV-2CE I would carry it with me everywhere and use it as my main Bible. But their “pocket” New Testament / Psalms is about the same size as the compact version of the entire RSV-CE Bible. So the compact RSV-CE goes with me everywhere and the RSV-2CE stays home along with its shelf-mate, the giant RSV-2CE entire Bible. It’s beautiful, but I always wonder why they had to make it so big! They should let Oxford or Cambridge have a shot at publishing it in a manageable size.

If you only read at your desk, or only have to carry it as far as the car, the RSV-2CE is a great choice. But for someone like me who relies on public transportation and usually reads the Bible away from home (I don’t even have decent desk space) the portability of some editions of the RSV-CE can’t be ignored.
 
Some time ago I penciled in “Virgin” in Isaiah my RSV-CE so I guess the biggest problem is solved at the local level. 🙂

I can live with Thees and Thous since I often use them in prayer anyway (that’s how my dad and all the adults at Church prayed when I was a kid). Of course, I know it is misleading to only translate the pronoun to Thee and Thou when people are talking to God, but I can live with it.

One point in favor of RSV-CE is the fact that the RSV is used by Protestants and Orthodox and Catholics. What other Bible version can make that amazing claim? The RSV-2CE takes one step away from that.
Love that “local solution”! 😃

And it’s true that the RSV is used by both Protestants and Catholics (not to forget our Orthodox brethren, though I think they also use the New King James version “officially”). Still, the RSV isn’t all that popular among Evangelical Protestants, who typically use the KJV, NKJV, NIV and more recently the ESV (which is, itself, a revision of the RSV. Whew!)

My personal fantasy Bible would be constructed along the following lines:
  1. Take the original RSV-CE as the base text.
  2. Restore all the passages from the Vulgate that are in the D-R, but not the RSV (The ending of Tobit 6 is a glaring example)
  3. Retain Hebrew words (Amen, Raca) and make the other changes recommended by Liturgiam Authenticam.
  4. Add cross-references and marginal references in the vein of the Jerusalem Bible(s).
  5. Retain “thee” and “thou” as far as the original RSV retains them, but do not try to “archaize” the text any further.
  6. Use the New Testament to translate the Old. If the NT favours a particular reading, retain it.
  7. Add orthodox notes as well as aids to historical and archaeological settings.
  8. Name the finished product the “Catholic Standard Version”, and start using it in all English-speaking countries. No more NAB or NRSV, except for private reading and study.
(Now you know why I’m not on the Pontifical Biblical Commission :p)
 
Still, the RSV isn’t all that popular among Evangelical Protestants, who typically use the KJV, NKJV, NIV and more recently the ESV (which is, itself, a revision of the RSV. Whew!)

(Now you know why I’m not on the Pontifical Biblical Commission :p)
Ah, come to think of it, for nearly fifty years an Evangelical Protestant I never used the RSV once. I didn’t start reading it until I became Catholic last year!

I’d certainly buy a copy of that fantasy Bible. Maybe you should be on the Pontifical Biblical Commission after all…

BTW if one has a Kindle or similar e-book reader then portability is not such an issue. I have the RSV-2CE on my Kindle but it lacks the “Whip and Flip” convenience of a paper Bible. In other words I can’t just whip it out and flip to the passage I have in mind. It always takes more time scrolling and clicking…
 
Ah, come to think of it, for nearly fifty years an Evangelical Protestant I never used the RSV once. I didn’t start reading it until I became Catholic last year!

I’d certainly buy a copy of that fantasy Bible. Maybe you should be on the Pontifical Biblical Commission after all…

BTW if one has a Kindle or similar e-book reader then portability is not such an issue. I have the RSV-2CE on my Kindle but it lacks the “Whip and Flip” convenience of a paper Bible. In other words I can’t just whip it out and flip to the passage I have in mind. It always takes more time scrolling and clicking…
Thanks! 👍 I doubt I’d qualify, considering that I know zero Greek, zero Hebrew, very little Latin, and very little about Bible scholarship. 😉

Agreed with you on the Kindle. There’s something about a Bible in print that can’t quite be captured by any other technology, no matter how good it is - plus, the pleasure of hunting for a reference that you think may be in Ezekiel 34 (or whatever) can’t be dismissed, at least for me!

I do hope that, in the next decade or so, the Church does come out with a statement on an official Bible version in English, rather than leaving the decision up to each country. It’s bad enough that the NAB (minus the Psalter!) is on the Vatican’s official website… :rolleyes: In my parish, we get treated to whatever “version” the celebrant happens to favour - NRSV, RSV, NJB and sometimes even the Christian Community Bible.
 
I have a pretty good collection of full length Bibles, as well as pocket sized New Testaments. The full sized Bible that I use the most is an NAB (Copyright 1987 by Thomas Nelson Inc.). I also carry a pocket sized NT with Psalms and Proverbs at all times, which I read quite a bit. It is a Gideon New KJV (Copyright 1982 by Thomas Nelson Inc.). I am pretty satisfied with these two Bibles. I also have several other Bibles/NTs, most of them KJVs (One family Bible from 1839 and another from 1952). I also have a pocket sized NASB and a full length NIV that was given to me recently (I’m not really a fan of the NIV).

I was wondering what version other people are using. What are your preferences and why? What version do you believe tends to be the most accurate? Is their any particular version you would recommend steering away from? I do enjoy comparing various versions on my own, but I would also appreciate anyone’s (name removed by moderator)ut on this issue. I am especially interested in the Douay-Rheims, the RSV (Catholic Version), and the Anglican Bible.
My priest recommended the New RSV. That’s what he uses and I like the translation much better than others I’ve used. I do reference the Hebrew/Greek a lot and find it to be very accurate.
 
From my view, it would depend on what you want from your bible reading…

If you want to learn then you would go to a study bible… there are a few excellent choices within that…

Plus there are some excellent commentaries and bible study book sets available…

**I prefer: William Barclay and his new testament bible study for the best insight of
the culture and laws of the time and places where the church began…**Amazon.com has his whole set and individual books for sale at very low prices…
many less than ten dollars…

If you want to read to be inspired… then you can go to any online bible site and have access to many different bibles, where you can read them and find one which speaks too you with the best means of your perception…

You can find that means at:

biblegateway.com/

There they have a whole list of different bibles for you to read… You pull down a menu and pick the bible you want, and then put in your book name and chapter and read…

I have lived in four different Monasteries in the past forty five years, and I have found all types of bibles being used by different Monks… Each one has a choice as to which bible they preferred.

I read the bible to be inspired to become the person I feel God is calling me to be.
I do not read the bible to attempt to study and understand God’s Truths. So my choice of a bible might not be the same as someone else…Good Luck…
Thank you, Monte, for the link to biblegateway. Re William Barclay: I read his commentary on Luke 5: 4 to 8, where Jesus tells the first disciples to cast their net; Peter grumbles they’ve been fishing all night and had caught nothing. However they do as Jesus said and caught so many fish that the boat was in danger of sinking. Barclay suggests that Jesus had x-ray eyes and could see the fish under the sea. After that I left Barclay well alone.
Like you, I read the Bible to be inspired and wanted to find a translation that was closest to the original Greek and Hebrew and free of bias. I find NIV suits me. The Lord once said, “You will praise me in Greek, Ian” which I took to be a *rema *to study Greek/Koine, which I found fairly easy. Then I decided to tackle Biblical Hebrew off my own bat and couldn’t get past page one!
 
We have a comprehensive range of Bibles, from the simple “Good News” through the “Thees and Thous” to the complex “Amplified” but I’m ashamed to say I don’t have the Jerusalem or New Jerusalem. I used to read in church but ill-health forced me to retire. I never got good vibes from the New Jerusalem, especially when I had to read my favourite Psalm 23 which has changed from “yea though I walk through the valley of death” to “even though I walk through the canyon of darkness” (?). I googled Monte’s “biblegateway” and was surprised that both the Jerusalem and the New Jerusalem are not there. But there is the J B Philips’ NT: I spotted this in a second-hand bookshop and bought it out of interest. When I checked Luke 11 for the Lord’s prayer, V1 has “One day when Jesus was praying” but Philips has “…when Jesus was KNEELING in prayer…” with a foot note, “it was common among the Jews to kneel when praying.” I put the Reverend gentleman aside.
BTW Herman Wouk in his “This is my God” (a charming book on modern Judaism in New York) he writes of his anger at the King James version of the old Testament which translates Leviticus 11.25 and labels a woman “unclean” during her period. Wouk claims the proper translation is that she “untouchable” because is at her holiest when being prepared for conception anew. I prefer the Jewish translation - its their book after all!
 
Love that “local solution”! 😃

And it’s true that the RSV is used by both Protestants and Catholics (not to forget our Orthodox brethren, though I think they also use the New King James version “officially”). Still, the RSV isn’t all that popular among Evangelical Protestants, who typically use the KJV, NKJV, NIV and more recently the ESV (which is, itself, a revision of the RSV. Whew!)

My personal fantasy Bible would be constructed along the following lines:
  1. Take the original RSV-CE as the base text.
  2. Restore all the passages from the Vulgate that are in the D-R, but not the RSV (The ending of Tobit 6 is a glaring example)
  3. Retain Hebrew words (Amen, Raca) and make the other changes recommended by Liturgiam Authenticam.
  4. Add cross-references and marginal references in the vein of the Jerusalem Bible(s).
  5. Retain “thee” and “thou” as far as the original RSV retains them, but do not try to “archaize” the text any further.
  6. Use the New Testament to translate the Old. If the NT favours a particular reading, retain it.
  7. Add orthodox notes as well as aids to historical and archaeological settings.
  8. Name the finished product the “Catholic Standard Version”, and start using it in all English-speaking countries. No more NAB or NRSV, except for private reading and study.
(Now you know why I’m not on the Pontifical Biblical Commission :p)
I’ve been working on a project similar to that, but starting with the KJV as a base text (as, as all must admit, it’s a far more beautiful translation than the DRC), and correcting from the DRC/Clementina Vulgata (and Nova Vulgata for the Deuterocanon, according to LA), from the Byzantine type-text and Rahlf’s Septuagint (so, I suppose, even after all my whining, I am using an “eclectic text” - just not a mainstream one) and modernizing the text (I’m actually doing two in parallel - one KJV-style, one Confraternity or NKJV-style - as I appreciate the additional precision given by having singular and plural second-person pronouns), but as of yet (due to lack of manpower, it being a three-man project: we still need a scholar of Hebrew to give the OT a once-over to have any shot at imprimatur) no cross-references or annotation, but I dubbed it it the “Corrected Catholic Version”. In six months, I’ve completed John, Luke-Acts, Genesis, and the first 6 chapters of Exodus (the OT from the Septuagint).

Whereas starting from the RSV-(2)CE or ESV w/ “Apocrypha”, as you mention, would probably be a more efficient way of doing it, and easier - just restore that which was removed through text-critical tinkering, and go through the NT’s quotations of the OT and use its textual basis (whether MT, LXX, or lost) for the original OT passages. Why didn’t I think of that?

There is no translation that is quite as thoroughly rotten as the NRSV, not even the NWT, IMO. The original NAB gives it a run for its money; the NABRE is a good deal better, but still not acceptable, although certain passages are rendered well. The NAB/RE both have decent New Testaments (the 1986 one); the NRSV has about the single worst NT I’ve ever read in all areas of doctrinal import (besides the NWT, the “Inclusive Bible”, and “Good as New: A Radical Retelling”, which is by far the worst, so much that I would say the latter is the word of Satan, not of God, such as Paul’s vice lists, although it’s definitely good if you’re a liberal and want to feel that your pet sins weren’t condemned by St Paul), not to mention the contorted and dishonest readings generated by the PC gender language. I believe many on the translation committee (including Bruce Metzger) nearly disowned the translation, as it was the “stylistic committee” that ended up introducing the most heinous errors, under what I have to believe was the leadership of not a Biblical scholar, but likely a pomo cultural anthropologist, sociologist, gender theorist, or English lit major.

It has the same problems in Genesis, in the Psalms, etc. as the NAB does, except magnified. The notes aren’t as bad, but that’s because there aren’t any. The translators - or whoever gave the books their final form - were definitely operating under the same politically-correct, excruciatingly skeptical higher-critical philosophy for the 70-86-91 NAB and the 89 NRSV.

The Bible should not be molded to fit society and the latest fashion or scholarly fad; society and fashion should be molded to fit the Bible. Here, the translators of the KJV and DRC and NASB understood, whereas those of the NRSV and NAB-91, and to a lesser extent, the NAB-2011, did not.
 
I’ve been working on a project similar to that, but starting with the KJV as a base text (as, as all must admit, it’s a far more beautiful translation than the DRC), and correcting from the DRC/Clementina Vulgata (and Nova Vulgata for the Deuterocanon, according to LA), from the Byzantine type-text and Rahlf’s Septuagint (so, I suppose, even after all my whining, I am using an “eclectic text” - just not a mainstream one) and modernizing the text (I’m actually doing two in parallel - one KJV-style, one Confraternity or NKJV-style - as I appreciate the additional precision given by having singular and plural second-person pronouns), but as of yet (due to lack of manpower, it being a three-man project: we still need a scholar of Hebrew to give the OT a once-over to have any shot at imprimatur) no cross-references or annotation, but I dubbed it it the “Corrected Catholic Version”. In six months, I’ve completed John, Luke-Acts, Genesis, and the first 6 chapters of Exodus (the OT from the Septuagint).

Whereas starting from the RSV-(2)CE or ESV w/ “Apocrypha”, as you mention, would probably be a more efficient way of doing it, and easier - just restore that which was removed through text-critical tinkering, and go through the NT’s quotations of the OT and use its textual basis (whether MT, LXX, or lost) for the original OT passages. Why didn’t I think of that?

There is no translation that is quite as thoroughly rotten as the NRSV, not even the NWT, IMO. The original NAB gives it a run for its money; the NABRE is a good deal better, but still not acceptable, although certain passages are rendered well. The NAB/RE both have decent New Testaments (the 1986 one); the NRSV has about the single worst NT I’ve ever read in all areas of doctrinal import (besides the NWT, the “Inclusive Bible”, and “Good as New: A Radical Retelling”, which is by far the worst, so much that I would say the latter is the word of Satan, not of God, such as Paul’s vice lists, although it’s definitely good if you’re a liberal and want to feel that your pet sins weren’t condemned by St Paul), not to mention the contorted and dishonest readings generated by the PC gender language. I believe many on the translation committee (including Bruce Metzger) nearly disowned the translation, as it was the “stylistic committee” that ended up introducing the most heinous errors, under what I have to believe was the leadership of not a Biblical scholar, but likely a pomo cultural anthropologist, sociologist, gender theorist, or English lit major.

It has the same problems in Genesis, in the Psalms, etc. as the NAB does, except magnified. The notes aren’t as bad, but that’s because there aren’t any. The translators - or whoever gave the books their final form - were definitely operating under the same politically-correct, excruciatingly skeptical higher-critical philosophy for the 70-86-91 NAB and the 89 NRSV.

The Bible should not be molded to fit society and the latest fashion or scholarly fad; society and fashion should be molded to fit the Bible. Here, the translators of the KJV and DRC and NASB understood, whereas those of the NRSV and NAB-91, and to a lesser extent, the NAB-2011, did not.
That’s a fascinating post. Thanks a lot for sharing this! 👍

And your Bible translation project certainly sounds very interesting, in an orthodox way! It’s surprising, given the resurgence of orthodoxy among Anglophone Catholics (as witnessed on this very board, not to forget more “traditional” sites like Rorate Caeli) that there’s not that much interest in a good, Vulgate-compatible English Bible, which can still maintain some common ground with orthodox Protestant versions.

What do you think about the “Catholic Public Domain Version” published by, I think, a gentleman named Ronald Conte? It has no imprimatur, but it seems to be an “updated English” version of the Douay-Rheims-Challoner Bible. However, it’s got some odd word choices - “drug users” for “sorcerers” in Revelation 22, “stigmata” for “marks of Christ” in Galatians (making it sound like St. Paul was a stigmatic, which is an interesting idea but speculative). Could it be used to help you in your project?

As for using the RSV/ESV as base text, well, I’m naturally lazy, so I look for such “shortcuts” where I can. 😃 Fully agreed with you on the KJV though, its language is a lot more poetic than the Douay.

As for the NRSV, it’s “easy reading”, but that’s about it. It’s an extremely difficult version to use for serious study or apologetics, because of its many errors. Unfortunately our parish priest is in love with it, and keeps reading from it / urging us to buy copies of it instead of the more usual RSV (which forms the basis of our missalettes.) I wonder what the translation committee was smoking when they worked on it.

The NAB-RE actually represents a comedown from the NAB in some ways. While the Psalms read better, Isaiah 7:14 is inexplicably changed to “young woman”, and the note to that very verse is dreadful, compared to the fairly innocuous one in the 1986 NAB. I’m not sure what the fine folks who gave it the Imprimatur were drinking. 😉

Another approach is to start with the Jerusalem Bible text and work from there. The advantage is that the JB simply reads better than the RSV in some places, and has excellent text formatting choices. It’s also the “text of choice” in British and Commonwealth countries if I’m not mistaken (I’m surprised India opted for the RSV, but that might just be our fascination with all things American.)

Anyway, it’s always nice to have an opinion from someone who’s better informed than I am. Thanks again!
 
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