What Bibles are considered Catholic translations

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What is the difference between the Knox Bible and the Douay-Rheims Bible? Is the Knox Bible in the same type of language as the Douay-Rheims Bible? Where can you get a Knox Bible because I can’t seem to find one?
 
paul11b said:
What is the difference between the Knox Bible and the Douay-Rheims Bible? Is the Knox Bible in the same type of language as the Douay-Rheims Bible? Where can you get a Knox Bible because I can’t seem to find one?
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Baronius Press is planning to print it, but that will only happen after they’ve recovered from the time and expense that’s gone into their Latin English Breviary.

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I use Douay-Rheims w/ side-by-side Latin for personal study. I also use, on my phone, for comparative studies: the Orthodox Jewish Bible, NIV, RSV, Greek (have concordance from Dad’s personal library), Arabic ( took a course in college and can identify letters/words to look up meaning in Arabic), Latin Vulgate, etc.

Interesting comparison regarding the OJB, which actually helps clear up some of the Son of the Morning Star and Morning Star controversy which is very hard to counter with “new” translations:
How art thou fallen from Shomayim, **O Heilel Ben Shachar **(Bright One of the Dawn, Day Star, Lucifer)! How art thou cast down to the earth, thou, which hast laid low the Goyim! (Yeshayah 14:12 OJB)
Note: Heilel Ben Shachar- Heilel son of Shachar- Not Shachar!
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"I, Yehoshua sent My malach (angel) to give solemn eidus (testimony) to you of these things, for the Kehillot.** I am the Shoresh (root) and the offspring of Dovid, the Kokhav HaShachar. **(Hisgalus 22:16 OJB)

Kokhav HaShachar- Bright and Morning Star.

Self evident of what is being said.
Proverbs 8:22-23 D-R Bible
22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his ways, before he made anything from the beginning. 23 I was set up from eternity, and of old, before the earth was made.
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Beautiful, to the point, strong doctrine.

The Message translation:
22-23 "God sovereignly made me—the first, the basic—
before he did anything else.
I was brought into being a long time ago,
well before Earth got its start.
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Really, now. So Jesus was created instead of begotten?
I’ve seen more truth coming out of a cow’s rear end.

Comparative study is absolutely necessary to rectify what is being said vs doctrine and tradition.
 
paul11b said:
What is the difference between the Knox Bible and the Douay-Rheims Bible? Is the Knox Bible in the same type of language as the Douay-Rheims Bible? Where can you get a Knox Bible because I can’t seem to find one?
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You can get it used on Amazon, sometimes cheap (below $10 for mine), and they have the New Testament new, for about $20. It’s not written in the old English of the DRC, but is much more modern. As I’ve mentioned in this thread, it’s a dynamic equivalent rendering, so it’s not good for in-depth study, but it’s excellent for reading through books, and it’s very faithful and true, if not word-for-word accurate. It carries across the sense well and is written in a decently high register of English English.
 
Khalid said:
No, it’s not. It might be called the New American Bible, but it’s been so heavily revised by the Vatican in order to bring it in to compliance with the faith that it’s no more of an NAB than an RSV is. The NAB you can buy in book form has been rejected by the Vatican for liturgical use (although for some reason they still use it on their website, but not in their publications, for which they use the Catholic RSV, a much better and more widely-respected translation): why should we be stuck with a Bible that is unacceptable for liturgical use in our private devotions?

The SNRNAB can not be purchased in Bible form, but only as a lectionary. The “NAB” (I call it the “Second New Revised New American Bible”) used in Mass readings corrects nearly all of the problems, except for bad English, present in the NAB translation itself.
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I was not aware of the rejection of the NAB. During my Pre-Cana class, we were given the “Catholic Couples Bible” - NAB…
Was it wrong of them to give this bible to us? Is this version (Catholic Couples Bible) of the NAB acceptable or not-acceptable by the Vatican??
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A_G said:
I was not aware of the rejection of the NAB. During my Pre-Cana class, we were given the “Catholic Couples Bible” - NAB…
Was it wrong of them to give this bible to us? Is this version (Catholic Couples Bible) of the NAB acceptable or not-acceptable by the Vatican??
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The NAB is still accepted for personal devotional use, but they wanted to improve upon the translation for use in the liturgy. Go back and read my post #7.
 
I have to thank this thread for pushing me to act. I attend the TLM and yet read the NAB, makes no sense so yesterday I ordered a Douay-Rheims Bible. I think the translation in this Bible will be far more compatible with the scripture in my 1962 Missal by Baronius Press.
 
I believe that this is a complete list of English translations that carry Imprimaturs. Someone correct me if I left one out

**Vulgate Translations **
  1. Douay-Rheims (1610)
  2. Douay-Rheims Challoner Revision (1752)
  3. Ronald Knox Translation of the Vulgate (1936)
Original Source Translations
4) Spencer New Testament (1941)
5) Kleist-Lilly New Testament (1956)
6) Revised Standard Version - Catholic Edition (1966)
7) Jerusalem Bible (1966)
9) Confraternity Version (1969) (Note:New Testament completed in 1941)
10) New American Bible (1970) (Note: New Testament revised 1986, Psalms revised 1991)
11) The Catholic Living Bible (1971)
12) The Good News Bible (1976)
13) New Jerusalem Bible (1985)
14) Christian Community Bible (1988)
15) New Revised Standard Version - Catholic Edition (1991)
16) Today’s English Version - Catholic Edition (1992)
17) Revised Standard Version - 2nd Catholic Edition (2006) (Note: Carries original RSV-CE Imprimatur)
18) New American Bible Revised Edition (2011)

There are also two popular annotated Bibles that contain the entire Apocrypha, not just the Deuterocanonical Books. Both use the NRSV translation. Though not entirely Catholic they are the: New Oxford Annotated Bible and the HarperCollins Study Bible.

I tend to use the RSV-2CE Study New Testament for study and the RSV-2CE for personal reading. However I also own and use for caparison the following versions:
  • Douay-Rheims Challoner Revision
  • Kleist-Lilly New Testament
  • Revised Standard Version - Catholic Edition
  • Confraternity Version
  • New American Bible (I have both a 1970 and a 1991)
  • The Catholic Living Bible
  • New Jerusalem Bible
  • New Revised Standard Version (I have the two annotated versions listed above not the NRSV-CE)
  • Revised Standard Version - 2nd Catholic Edition (I have both the study and regular text versions)
  • New American Bible Revised Edition
 
A_G said:
I was not aware of the rejection of the NAB. During my Pre-Cana class, we were given the “Catholic Couples Bible” - NAB…
Was it wrong of them to give this bible to us? Is this version (Catholic Couples Bible) of the NAB acceptable or not-acceptable by the Vatican??
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It’s considered acceptable for personal use but unacceptable for liturgy. My reasoning goes (without even taking in to consideration the contents of the Bible), why should we use a Bible that is rejected for the liturgy? It’s obviously defective, or it would be permissible for all uses.
 
Bob_Aliano said:
I have to thank this thread for pushing me to act. I attend the TLM and yet read the NAB, makes no sense so yesterday I ordered a Douay-Rheims Bible. I think the translation in this Bible will be far more compatible with the scripture in my 1962 Missal by Baronius Press.
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It sure will. Congratulations. Read some of the Old Testament and be amazed by the prophecy and typology that shows up in places you never knew.
 
paul11b said:
What is the difference between the Knox Bible and the Douay-Rheims Bible? Is the Knox Bible in the same type of language as the Douay-Rheims Bible? Where can you get a Knox Bible because I can’t seem to find one?
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The Ronald Knox translation is looser than the D/R translation. He retained Thee and Thou although the rest of the English is mid-twentieth century.

Isaiah 7:13-14 “Sign you ask none, but sign the Lord will give you. Maid shall be brought to bed of a son, that shall be called Emmanuel.”

Genesis 3:15 “And I will establish a feud between thee and the woman, between thy offspring and hers; she is to crush thy head, while thou dost lie in wait at her heels.”

Luke 1:28 “Into her presence the angel came, and said, Hail, thou who art full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women.”

Not always a felicitous turn of phrase. It may appeal to those who find the D/R English too antiquated. Ronald Knox especially shines in St. Paul’s Epistles where his English is clear and very understandable. 🙂
 
AmbroseSJ said:
Not always a felicitous turn of phrase. It may appeal to those who find the D/R English too antiquated. Ronald Knox especially shines in St. Paul’s Epistles where his English is clear and very understandable. 🙂
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I don’t understand why people have trouble understanding D-R and KJV, etc. They’re written at a 12th grade level. Is it the education system? Lack of familiarity with the style of language?

Modern translations, particular travesties like “The Message”, etc remind me more of my children’s Bible I had growing up. Very sparse, lacking any real theological meat to dig into. Literary Juicebox with a Lunchable on the side, almost.

Perhaps Zoolander was on to something with his Center For Children Who Can’t Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too?
 
This sounds like something more suited in Sacred Scripture.

Anyhow, it depends on how broad your interpretation of ‘Catholic’ is, because there are such editions as the NRSV Catholic Edition, which is essentially a Catholic remix of a normally-Protestant NRSV. The common ones intentionally written for Catholics are New American Bible (in the United States), New Jerusalem Bible (outside the United States) and Douay-Rheims (mostly Trad). Take your pick.

But if you’re feeling ready to tackle the best of them all, try the Vulgate. 😃
 
I don’t know. The one-volume hardcover edition is so massive it’s impossible to use anyways. It’s quarto size or maybe larger, about 14 inches by 11 inches by 4 inches thick (1968 pages on good, non-transparent paper), and about 8-9 pounds in weight.

The two-volume edition is much easier to handle, and much cheaper. You can get each for about $15 in very good condition used from Amazon (as I got mine), for a total of $30, cheaper than many study Bibles, with about four or five times as many notes, and 150 pages worth of Bible dictionary and history of Scripture in the back, printed on very fine paper in a large font (12pt) for the Biblical text (which is found nowhere else in DRC Bibles, not even in “large print” editions).

I checked Amazon, and the NT is going for $75 now (it was $14 two or three weeks ago), and the OT for $25 (it was $10). Wait until after Christmas, as the prices change all of the time on Amazon. Put the items in your cart, and all you have to do is go and refresh your cart (hit F5), and it will update the prices.
 
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