What CAN and CANNOT Satan do?

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I’ve never gotten a straight answer on this. 😛
All I know for sure is that Satan cannot force anyone’s will, so “The devil made me do it” is never an excuse for anything. Can someone enlighten me?
 
MarcusAndreas said:
I’ve never gotten a straight answer on this. 😛
All I know for sure is that Satan cannot force anyone’s will, so “The devil made me do it” is never an excuse for anything. Can someone enlighten me?
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What about if a person is literally possessed? The Church teaches that it can happen, and still does exorcisms.

I am curious 🍿
 
A person who is truly possessed is innocent of whatever their body is forced to do during that time. The person’s will is not actually affected, just displaced from control of the body.
 
exoflare said:
A person who is truly possessed is innocent of whatever their body is forced to do during that time. The person’s will is not actually affected, just displaced from control of the body.
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Wasn’t Judas possessed? I am pretty sure you can only be possessed if you are in the state of mortal sin because you have already turned your back on God and are thus susceptible to the power of the devil. So, basically if you are possessed you are already in trouble and although culpability might be less of a person who is possessed, it is their fault in the first place. Kind of like getting drunk and then getting in an accident? It was the beer that made me do it, so I am not held accountable. Wrong, you allowed yourself to get drunk.

I am not certain but, I think that is close to how it works.
 
MarcusAndreas said:
I’ve never gotten a straight answer on this. 😛
All I know for sure is that Satan cannot force anyone’s will, so “The devil made me do it” is never an excuse for anything. Can someone enlighten me?
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I can tell you for sure that the devil can preach a better sermon than anyone. Let me explain. In the beginning when God created the Angels, He gave them knowledge of Himself that surpasses all the Saints in heaven and earth. That is why the devil can pretend to be like Jesus or Mary because he has all that knowledge given to him from the beginning, more knowledge than all the saints put together. In that knowledge the Angels knew if they since once they will be immediately punished. The design of an Angel is such that 1 sin will condemn them. With this knowledge almost 1/3 of them sinned anyway! That is how Satan came into existence and also the rest of the bad Angels. Their sin received an eternal punishment that can never be reversed. God though uses the bad or evil angels for His Purpose by giving them permission to tempt Mankind. Temptation therefore is good. Because God allows it. However the devil and his angels cannot go beyond what God is allowing them. For instance if the devil was given 100% freedom we on earth will be dead in seconds. They are powerful but because God limits their power they can only exercise the permission to tempt us. The way the devil normally tempts us is through our thoughts. If we pay no attention to those thoughts we can defeat the devil right away at the source. However if the temptations are too strong for you to handle, the best way to defeat him is to tell another what he is up to. By telling another your temptations frustrates the devil and eventually he gives up and goes somewhere else. The devil is in fact a coward. All the evil spirits are cowards. Stand up to them and they tremble. Fall under their power and you become their slave. The only power the devil has is the power you give him. He has no power over you if you resist all his attempts to make you sin. St.Augustine wrote, " If you are afraid of the devil, he is a giant to you. If you despise him, he is only a dwarf to you. " The evil spirits are given permission from God to tempt us. Though in exceptional cases they may have permission to do more as in the case of Job in the OT, the Saints of the Church and people whom God has chosen to defeat him. The devil may want more permission as he did when Jesus proclaimed to Peter that the devil has asked to sift you as wheat. The devil wants more. Towards the Saints we can see the devil having more permission than usual. In cases of possesion we must understand that the devil is not permitted to enter a man. The worst case of possession is when the devil puts a thought in your head and you will carry it out without resistance. Judas and Hitler are examples of this type. The devil does not enter them. But it is his thoughts that they carry out. The other type of possessions are the ones you see in the Gospels when these people do not know what hit them. An exorcism is what they need. The devils do not enter them since they are not allowed to. Possesion in this case is more like a blanket covering them. When the devil blankets you then you may not be responsible for your actions. We see one in the Gospels who has 2000 devils but these devils blanket him. Take a blanket and put it over yourself. Now take 2000 blankets and put them over yourself and you get a picture what that poor man is going through. Yet these types of possesions mean the person is not responsible for their actions, while the first type involving Hitler and Judas, they are responsible for their actions. Yes it is true the devil cannot force himself upon anyone. Yet he can easily trouble those who do not know the Faith. If you are faithful and pray and attend to the sacraments, the devil cannot touch you. Those who do not pray and do not attend to the sacraments become easy prey to the devil and may need exorcisms to help them overcome the devils. The best exorcism is prayer and the sacraments. The devil trembles at those who are faithful to God. Be like St.Teresa of Avila when she grew to a state and said to the devils, " come on and see what you can do to me. I am not afraid of you. I see you hiding." The devils can be such cowards and are easily defeated when you have Jesus. Satan is definitely not like the one you see in the movies. No he is not that at all. At the Second Coming God will order the devils and Satan to reveal themselves. All of them will show their shameful faces as the Church will now condemn them to the everlasting fire! Remember Satan has no power except that which you give him. God Bless!
 
UponTheAltar said:
I am pretty sure you can only be possessed if you are in the state of mortal sin because you have already turned your back on God and are thus susceptible to the power of the devil. So, basically if you are possessed you are already in trouble and although culpability might be less of a person who is possessed, it is their fault in the first place. Kind of like getting drunk and then getting in an accident? It was the beer that made me do it, so I am not held accountable. Wrong, you allowed yourself to get drunk.

I am not certain but, I think that is close to how it works.
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Hi,

I’m sorry but this is not correct. People in a state of grace can be subjected to posession and / or other types of demonic influence. Otherwise how could you ever break free? The devil would simply need to posess everyone when they are in a state of mortal sin to take away their free will and… voilà, instant hell for everyone! You always retain the free will to return to God and repent, even when under posession by the devil. There always are respites during which you can freely act.

Father Amorth (a Catholic Exorcist) states that for an exorcism to work the person subject of the possession/influence must want to be liberated, you cannot exorcise someone who’d rather remain posessed. This would not be possible if after being in a stete of mortal sin they were possessed and all free will removed from them.

What can Satan do? well, I’d say pretty much anything if God allows it. many saints were physically beaten (Padre Pio for example). We must remember that we are never tempted or subject to temptation that is abouve our strengh to resist. God does not allow this, otherwise we could do nothing but succumb to Satan, and everyone would end up in hell. You always retain free will which would be absent if you were subject to a temptation that you cannot resist. Of course in the rare case of full demonic possession you are not responsible of your actions and sins when you are not in control. This I gather is a very very rare occurrence.

I don’t subscribe to the ideas of DavidKays; I don’t believe that either Judas or Hitler were possessed, they simply chose evil : “The worst case of possession is when the devil puts a thought in your head and you will carry it out without resistance”

This would not be a sin because you are forced to carry out something, you are not choosing to do it yourself. Satan can put ideas in your head, but you must choose to follow them, you are never forced and can always resist. otherwise we’d all be in hell, all that satan would need to to is put in our heads the irresistible idea of suicide, as DavidKays correctly said: “For instance if the devil was given 100% freedom we on earth will be dead in seconds.”

“If you are faithful and pray and attend to the sacraments, the devil cannot touch you.” again please explain then why saints were physically beaten if the devil could not touch them. The devil cannot change their faith, that’s for sure (unless they willingly let him), but he certainly can touch them. He can seriously tempt them. He even tempted Jesus himself, knowing who he was. I’d wager that the holier the person the stronger the temptation by the devil to make the person fall.

I’d like for a moderator to intervene with official teachings, as I currently am without my Cathechism and I see posts with correct teachings mixed with errors which are very dangerous if taken as correct without checking the facts, mine included (even though I never deliberately state something wrong I am still prone to mistakes!).

If you are interested in Satan and possession I can reccomed books by Father Amorth, he recounts many cases he has followed through the years. Some people, even though they go to daily mass, and lead exemplary lives are still under the devil’s influence after many years of exorcisms. This is probably a gift of God. Had they not been subject to this influence would they lead such religious lives? In many cases whold families and communities have changd lives to help a loved one to get free from the devil, a prime example of how God can turn a bad thing into a good one!

In the end remember that as DavidKays said; the sacraments and prayer (the rosary is especially powerful) are your best bet to stay away from satan.

Fred
 
Lost_one said:
Hi,

Father Amorth (a Catholic Exorcist) states that for an exorcism to work the person subject of the possession/influence must want to be liberated, you cannot exorcise someone who’d rather remain posessed. This would not be possible if after being in a stete of mortal sin they were possessed and all free will removed from them.

What can Satan do? well, I’d say pretty much anything if God allows it. many saints were physically beaten (Padre Pio for example). We must remember that we are never tempted or subject to temptation that is abouve our strengh to resist. God does not allow this, otherwise we could do nothing but succumb to Satan, and everyone would end up in hell. You always retain free will which would be absent if you were subject to a temptation that you cannot resist. Of course in the rare case of full demonic possession you are not responsible of your actions and sins when you are not in control. This I gather is a very very rare occurrence.

I don’t subscribe to the ideas of DavidKays; I don’t believe that either Judas or Hitler were possessed, they simply chose evil : “The worst case of possession is when the devil puts a thought in your head and you will carry it out without resistance”

This would not be a sin because you are forced to carry out something, you are not choosing to do it yourself. Satan can put ideas in your head, but you must choose to follow them, you are never forced and can always resist. otherwise we’d all be in hell, all that satan would need to to is put in our heads the irresistible idea of suicide, as DavidKays correctly said: “For instance if the devil was given 100% freedom we on earth will be dead in seconds.”

“If you are faithful and pray and attend to the sacraments, the devil cannot touch you.” again please explain then why saints were physically beaten if the devil could not touch them. The devil cannot change their faith, that’s for sure (unless they willingly let him), but he certainly can touch them. He can seriously tempt them. He even tempted Jesus himself, knowing who he was. I’d wager that the holier the person the stronger the temptation by the devil to make the person fall.

I’d like for a moderator to intervene with official teachings, as I currently am without my Cathechism and I see posts with correct teachings mixed with errors which are very dangerous if taken as correct without checking the facts, mine included (even though I never deliberately state something wrong I am still prone to mistakes!).

If you are interested in Satan and possession I can reccomed books by Father Amorth, he recounts many cases he has followed through the years. Some people, even though they go to daily mass, and lead exemplary lives are still under the devil’s influence after many years of exorcisms. This is probably a gift of God. Had they not been subject to this influence would they lead such religious lives? In many cases whold families and communities have changd lives to help a loved one to get free from the devil, a prime example of how God can turn a bad thing into a good one!

In the end remember that as DavidKays said; the sacraments and prayer (the rosary is especially powerful) are your best bet to stay away from satan.

Fred
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Fred you must understand my words better. When I said about Hitlet and Judas please understand correctly my meaning. In these cases it was easy for the devil for him to carry out his plans. That is the meaning when I said there were possess. I do not mean possession in the same way you take it as it is. I sometimes use words differently then what they really mean. I was using it more in a mystical way. I apologized for any misunderstandings for I sometimes do not use words to their real effect. Try not to analised too much and see beyond to their mystical teachings. This is the approach I take when teaching. Can’t you understand what I was saying even about Judas for example. The scriptures say that the devil entered Judas. Look it up. This is correct. The interpretation of this is that whatever the devil has thought of now Judas will carry it out. The thought entered his mind and Judas shows no resistence and now will carry it out. That is what I meant when I said those words earlier. I use mysical language and therefore try to see my words in this manner. It is the same for Hitler. The temptations for instance to carry our his deeds to kill the jews fort instance. This thought enter his mind. Each person Judas or Hitler had the free will to not to acknowledge these thoughts. But my arguements earlier showed that they freely gave in to those thoughts. That is why I used the word " possession " in this matter. I use it to teach at my Church but I use it teach in a mystical way not like the way that is done in the West. When I said the devil cannot touch you again I am using mystical language to express myself. You are a Catholic are you not? Catholics find it hard to understand mystical language. I am Easrtern Orthodox and the Eastern Way has been in large part done in many times when teaching to others using the mystical language you see me using. The devil cannot touch you means he cannot force you to sin. Sure he can beat you up and so on. But he the devil does not produce sin in you. You get the beatings but you have resisted well his attempts for you to sin. That is what I meant when I said the devil cannot touch you. I did not mean the physical sense like the way you interlpreted it but I mean in the spiritual sense where he cannot make you sin. Why would you need a moderator for? Just ask me and I will try to explain in your language what you need to know. I have read this priest as well and I hope I did not put you off too much when I used my mystical approach. I apologize but please ask me the questions because I sense you are Catholic and the mystical way may be foreign to you. God Bless!
 
DavidKays said:
Fred you must understand my words better. When I said about Hitlet and Judas please understand correctly my meaning. In these cases it was easy for the devil for him to carry out his plans. That is the meaning when I said there were possess. I do not mean possession in the same way you take it as it is. I sometimes use words differently then what they really mean. I was using it more in a mystical way. I apologized for any misunderstandings for I sometimes do not use words to their real effect. Try not to analised too much and see beyond to their mystical teachings. This is the approach I take when teaching. Can’t you understand what I was saying even about Judas for example. The scriptures say that the devil entered Judas. Look it up. This is correct. The interpretation of this is that whatever the devil has thought of now Judas will carry it out. The thought entered his mind and Judas shows no resistence and now will carry it out. That is what I meant when I said those words earlier. I use mysical language and therefore try to see my words in this manner. It is the same for Hitler. The temptations for instance to carry our his deeds to kill the jews fort instance. This thought enter his mind. Each person Judas or Hitler had the free will to not to acknowledge these thoughts. But my arguements earlier showed that they freely gave in to those thoughts. That is why I used the word " possession " in this matter. I use it to teach at my Church but I use it teach in a mystical way not like the way that is done in the West. When I said the devil cannot touch you again I am using mystical language to express myself. You are a Catholic are you not? Catholics find it hard to understand mystical language. I am Easrtern Orthodox and the Eastern Way has been in large part done in many times when teaching to others using the mystical language you see me using. The devil cannot touch you means he cannot force you to sin. Sure he can beat you up and so on. But he the devil does not produce sin in you. You get the beatings but you have resisted well his attempts for you to sin. That is what I meant when I said the devil cannot touch you. I did not mean the physical sense like the way you interlpreted it but I mean in the spiritual sense where he cannot make you sin. Why would you need a moderator for? Just ask me and I will try to explain in your language what you need to know. I have read this priest as well and I hope I did not put you off too much when I used my mystical approach. I apologize but please ask me the questions because I sense you are Catholic and the mystical way may be foreign to you. God Bless!
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Dear David,

The way you express yourself is prone to be misunderstood unless you specify that you are saying some things in a figurative (or mystical) way. I now understand what you mean but while your friends are accustomed to your mystical language, I am not accustomed to it and without knowing beforehand it can become very confusing; imagine someone who has little or no knowledge on this subject, how can he understand exactly what you mean by possession?

I am saying this so that you know that you can be misunderstood and perhaps use a style of writing that is more easily understood by forum members (or if you prefer you may want to explain things more thoroughly).

God bless you too,

Fred
 
Thank you Fred for the advice. Fred what you are witnessing is the Eastern approach. Here in the East and in my Church we use this approach alot. So it is common language for us Orthodox. The West is more like St.Augustine and therefore can be more like surface language. The Orthodox are more like St.John Chrysostom which is more mystical and can be considered deeper. Augustine and John would have loved each others company. Even though they use different approaches they will probably love to hear from each other. Why would Augustine like another Augustine! Or for John like another John! Having these 2 Saints together with all their wisdoms and spirituality will probably create the best exchanges in history and even today the best reality show ever if they ever get on TV. The 2 Saints represent the best of the Catholic and Orthodox Churches. But you right Fred. My audience is predominately Catholic. I can talk like the West if I choose too. I am brought up to speak either approach. I prefer my own language of the mystical way but I do speak on occasions the Western way. Thank you for your words. I will try to be more understanding to the other. May by this was your first exposure to the Eastern Way! God Bless!
 
Fred, if I may be permitted, why don’t you learn something of the Eastern Way. The Mystical approach can take years to learn but onced established in you can open up alot more groundwork in understanding spiritual ways. May I suggest the works of St.John Chrysostom and to start you off with a spiritual gem published by Ligouri Publications titled " On Living Simply " by St.John Chrysostom. You can get it on Amazon. It is great that a Catholic publisher is printing them! God Bless!
 
Why wouldn’t a Catholic publisher print the work of a Roman Catholic Saint? St. John Chrysostom is definitely a valuable part of the Roman Catholic faith. No need to look outside.

In my opinion, Lost_One gave a great explanation. I have one thing to add which is controversial. I have heard many people say that the devil cannot cause death. Only God can control life or death.

I cannot justify that opinion with the stories of Sarah and Job. What happened to Sarah’s first seven husbands and all of Job’s children? Were they not killed by demons?

I will accept that demons can only kill a person when permission is granted by God.
 
I’m sure I have read that Satan and the other fallen angels cannot read our thoughts although they can influence our emotions.
 
MtnDwellar said:
Why wouldn’t a Catholic publisher print the work of a Roman Catholic Saint? St. John Chrysostom is definitely a valuable part of the Roman Catholic faith. No need to look outside.

In my opinion, Lost_One gave a great explanation. I have one thing to add which is controversial. I have heard many people say that the devil cannot cause death. Only God can control life or death.

I cannot justify that opinion with the stories of Sarah and Job. What happened to Sarah’s first seven husbands and all of Job’s children? Were they not killed by demons?

I will accept that demons can only kill a person when permission is granted by God.
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True, in the homily giving by Fr. Mitch Pacwa the other day on EWTN, he said that the enemy has power to bring death, over material objects of this world…I’m sure the Lord in His Divine providence keeps the enemy on a short leash or it would be over in seconds.
 
Hi all,
As i understand it, “the devil made me do it” is out of line with true Christian tradition.
Also, the term devil can be used to refer to:
…certain enduring Christian traditions about sin, to evil in the general sense,
to the “leader” of evil spirits known as Satan, or to any of the fallen, evil angels
spoken of in church history.
(new concise Catholic dictionary)
 
MtnDwellar said:
Why wouldn’t a Catholic publisher print the work of a Roman Catholic Saint? St. John Chrysostom is definitely a valuable part of the Roman Catholic faith. No need to look outside.

In my opinion, Lost_One gave a great explanation. I have one thing to add which is controversial. I have heard many people say that the devil cannot cause death. Only God can control life or death.

I cannot justify that opinion with the stories of Sarah and Job. What happened to Sarah’s first seven husbands and all of Job’s children? Were they not killed by demons?

I will accept that demons can only kill a person when permission is granted by God.
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Sir that is why you Catholics need to be educated. St.John Chrysostom is not a Catholic Saint. He is an Eastern Saint. Before you make statements like you do why don’t you research it first or ask me. I find Catholics not knowledgable about the Eastern Faith. St.John Chrysostom was born in Antioch sir not in Rome. He was raised in an Eastern tradition and not the Catholic tradition that you are familiar with. Soon he became a priest there and earned his reputation as an orator which gave him the nickname " Chrysostom " which means Golden-Mouth. He revised the Eastern Liturgy so today the Divine Liturgy is named The Divine Liturgy of St.John Chrysostom. His next vocation was to be Archbishop of Constaninople and he remained there until his death. Rome has nothing to do with this man except for the fact he is in communion with her. That is all he is to Rome. He means alot more to us. So before you make statements like you do sir please research them first. I have alot of respect for the Church of Rome but less to people who think they know us better. Get to know us sir. Get to know the East. And the stories of Sarah and Job. Do I have to explain myself again. Why did the demon kill the 7 husbands of Sarah? Did not Raphael explain to Tobias that he was to marry Sarah. And Tobias said are you kidding!! She had 7 husbands buried already and I am not going to be the 8th. The Archangel explained to Tobias that this will not be so for you are going to save her. In other words you were meant for her from the beginning. And it was so. Tobias married Sarah, prayed on their wedding night, and the evil demon no longer bothered Sarah. This is why sir the demon was permitted to kill them. God intended Sarah to be with Tobias. Now with your logic why isn’t the demons allowed to kill now. They can only if they have permission. God permitted this so that Sarah may be with her true husband. This story is a warning for us that if we do not seek out our true wife or true husband you are going to have problems. Not in the same manner as Sarah. God will not give the permissions for the demons to kill because you have not your true wife. No you pay for your mistake today if you did not come to God to seek your true wife. Now with Job. God gave permission for the devil to do as he pleases except do not kill Job. Yes his children died. But Job survived the test. In the end God gave Job doubled for what he lost except for one. His children. St.John Chrysostom the great Eastern Saint wrote that God did not need to give Job twice as much children since his first 7 children are still with him in heaven. They died and went to heaven. So God gave Job after healing him only 7 children whereas in everything else he doubled his fortune. Now I hope I have given you a picture of the East. Try to research and study the East beforehand and I am sure you and I will be enjoying each others company instead of me correcting you. The treasures of the East are in abundance and they are always available to Catholics at any time. God Bless!
 
pinctor said:
I’m sure I have read that Satan and the other fallen angels cannot read our thoughts although they can influence our emotions.
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I have also read that demons cannot read thoughts. I am not sure if I believe it. It may be wishful thinking. :confused: I know that angels can read our thoughts, in terms of silent prayers. Since demons are fallen angels, I don’t know why they do not have the same ability.
 
Angels cannot know our thoughts unless God reveals it to them. God may reveal your silent prayers to your Guardian Angel because your GA is connected to God. But no Angel can ever know your thoughts. They may have a good guess but that is as close as they can get at. The demons observed you for long periods of time to discover what weaknesses you may have. But they cannot know your thoughts as well but they can have a good guess at it. By and large only God will know them outside of yourself. He may allow your GA know of your deepest desires and this knowledge will help your GA to get to know you as well. God Bless!
 
DavidKays said:
Sir that is why you Catholics need to be educated. St.John Chrysostom is not a Catholic Saint. He is an Eastern Saint. Before you make statements like you do why don’t you research it first or ask me. I find Catholics not knowledgable about the Eastern Faith.

I am an educated Roman Catholic. St. John Chrysostom is a saint in both the Eastern Rite and also the Roman Catholic faith. Please see this Wikipedia article:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Chrysostom. And, also find his name on this list of Catholic saints: catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=64. Please do not use language such as “you Catholics” followed by the words “need to be educated”. It sounds as if you are putting yourself above others.

St.John Chrysostom was born in Antioch sir not in Rome. He was raised in an Eastern tradition and not the Catholic tradition that you are familiar with. Soon he became a priest there and earned his reputation as an orator which gave him the nickname " Chrysostom " which means Golden-Mouth. He revised the Eastern Liturgy so today the Divine Liturgy is named The Divine Liturgy of St.John Chrysostom. His next vocation was to be Archbishop of Constaninople and he remained there until his death. Rome has nothing to do with this man except for the fact he is in communion with her. That is all he is to Rome.

**Many Catholic Saints are from Antioch. Saint Margaret the Virgin and Saint Ignatius of Antioch come immediately to mind. Roman Catholic saints do not have to be born in Rome. St. John did not die in Antioch. Please educate yourself. My history tells me that St. John was banished from Constantinople prior to his death. Pope Innocent protested the banishment. So, yes, Rome was very much aware of the life and work of St. John Chrsyostom. **

He means alot more to us. So before you make statements like you do sir please research them first. I have alot of respect for the Church of Rome but less to people who think they know us better. Get to know us sir. Get to know the East. And the stories of Sarah and Job. Do I have to explain myself again. Why did the demon kill the 7 husbands of Sarah? Did not Raphael explain to Tobias that he was to marry Sarah. And Tobias said are you kidding!! She had 7 husbands buried already and I am not going to be the 8th. The Archangel explained to Tobias that this will not be so for you are going to save her. In other words you were meant for her from the beginning. And it was so. Tobias married Sarah, prayed on their wedding night, and the evil demon no longer bothered Sarah. This is why sir the demon was permitted to kill them. God intended Sarah to be with Tobias. Now with your logic why isn’t the demons allowed to kill now. They can only if they have permission. God permitted this so that Sarah may be with her true husband. This story is a warning for us that if we do not seek out our true wife or true husband you are going to have problems. Not in the same manner as Sarah. God will not give the permissions for the demons to kill because you have not your true wife. No you pay for your mistake today if you did not come to God to seek your true wife. Now with Job. God gave permission for the devil to do as he pleases except do not kill Job. Yes his children died. But Job survived the test. In the end God gave Job doubled for what he lost except for one. His children. St.John Chrysostom the great Eastern Saint wrote that God did not need to give Job twice as much children since his first 7 children are still with him in heaven. They died and went to heaven. So God gave Job after healing him only 7 children whereas in everything else he doubled his fortune.
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Thanks for the stories of Sarah and Job. It was unnecessary. I have a copy of the bible. You did not accurately read my comment. I was not asking why God allowed demons to cause deaths. My statement was showing examples that they had that ability.
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Now I hope I have given you a picture of the East. Try to research and study the East beforehand and I am sure you and I will be enjoying each others company instead of me correcting you. The treasures of the East are in abundance and they are always available to Catholics at any time. God Bless!

I am glad that you have found the richness of the East. I made no comments regarding the East. I have not studied these teachings and will defer to you regarding those matters. My comments were only regarding Roman Catholic beliefs.
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DavidKays said:
Angels cannot know our thoughts unless God reveals it to them. God may reveal your silent prayers to your Guardian Angel because your GA is connected to God. But no Angel can ever know your thoughts. They may have a good guess but that is as close as they can get at. The demons observed you for long periods of time to discover what weaknesses you may have. But they cannot know your thoughts as well but they can have a good guess at it. By and large only God will know them outside of yourself. He may allow your GA know of your deepest desires and this knowledge will help your GA to get to know you as well. God Bless!
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We may have stumbled across another difference between Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic beliefs. As Catholics we believe that angels are messengers and that they carry our thoughts and prayers to God, not the other way around.
 
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