What can I do for the prevention of abortion

[JReducation]

Diane_Lynn:
No, what the poster is saying is that the 15-year old should either abstain or use brith control. And that prayer in ineffective because God is not interested. He/she writes God with a lower case “g” because he/she obviously believes that God is a non existent.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[Diane_Lynn]

No, what the poster is saying is that the 15-year old should either abstain or use brith control. And that prayer in ineffective because God is not interested. He/she writes God with a lower case “g” because he/she obviously believes that God is a non existent.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

I see our agreeing in perhaps different ways in what the poster was saying. He was suggesting the use of mechanical birth control is how I read it.
The use of the lower case was a direct indication of a non respect for God or His existence. If I am wrong then either I should apologise after I receive a clarification of my error or he should tell me what he meant to the contrary of my understanding.

 

[L_T_Crawford]

You should have a threesome instead and **** on their cocks and they can vomit in your vagina. You then cut out the baby with a spoon

 

[chichizola]

The poster that writes God with a “g” is perhaps talking of another god. The God we Catholics know to be the only one true God is listening, was listening and will always be listening. That is His promise.

He has been listening since he created us, guided his people to an understanding of Him, sent His Son to free us from dead, and left His Church to prepare us for His second coming.

It is us, the Catholic Church, who where left with the mission. I applaud this 15 years old who has the insight, given the Holy Spirit, for wanting to take action.

May God bless you, keep on listening, pray to Him for the answer. He cares and will answer.

 

[Possenti2264]

Allow me to approach it a different way.

If you get pregnant, and you don’t want to keep the baby, carry it to term and give it up for adoption. My wife and I would be more than happy to adopt.

+1 more baby saved.

 

[Diane_Lynn]

Allow me to approach it a different way.

If you get pregnant, and you don’t want to keep the baby, carry it to term and give it up for adoption. My wife and I would be more than happy to adopt.

+1 more baby saved.

That has been my argument for many years now. I agree that there are many couples who eagerly would adopt and love an infant no matter the circumstances of conception.

I think it now has become a matter of selfish convenience to not have the baby since the original act was usually one of sexual pleasure alone and not in any way a thought out nor moral behavior. Of course I do not imply that to include those who suffered rape or incest which are of course evil acts but the baby is still a baby no matter how it was conceived and should not be forced to suffer by another’s act. And the act of abortion is not simply a choice for the mother but an imposed choice made upon another…the baby, the only one to fatally suffer the consequences.

What I find so immoral is the argument of 'CHOICE". As I see it the mother, and the father, both had their choice when they engaged in the act that brought with it pregnancy. Once that soul is placed by God into the fetus it is His choice alone whether that child is born. Once the soul takes its place then to deny it life is evil and forgive me for my bluntness but I also consider it an act of murder.

 

[Possenti2264]

Diane,

It basically boils down to the following sentiment.

Women who have abortions are killing for sex.

Now this is to be taken in context with your own post, with which I agree, but those who use abortion for birth control are in fact killing for the sake of “sexual freedom”.

It is a very blunt statement, but it is no less blunt than the blatant disregard for life.

 

[PJM]

=Possenti2264;6022882]Diane,

It basically boils down to the following sentiment.

Women who have abortions are killing for sex.

Now this is to be taken in context with your own post, with which I agree, but those who use abortion for birth control are in fact killing for the sake of “sexual freedom”.

It is a very blunt statement, but it is no less blunt than the blatant disregard for life.

***What rubbish! So the man has no guilt? Women get pregnant by themselves?

Few if any women get pregnat simply so they can abort the LIVING BABY. They get pregnant because it is God’s Divine Will, and God’s GIFT!

Everything, everything happens either because it is caused by God these things are always GOOD] or PERMITTED by God if OUR perception is “that it is not good.”

Things happen for two reasons!

For THE POSSIBILITY of us accepting God’s Will and growing closer to God, and always for the GREATER GLORY of God.***

Love and prayers
Patrick

 

[PJM]

***There are several Things one Can and SHOULD DO to lessen Abortion.

Always VOTE PRO-LIFE! ALWAYS!

Speak in defense of LIFE whenever the opportunity arrises. Like a lamp on a hillside, let you’re opinion be known.

Pray the Rosary daily!***

Love and prayers,

Pat

 

[Diane_Lynn]

Diane,

It basically boils down to the following sentiment.

Women who have abortions are killing for sex.

Now this is to be taken in context with your own post, with which I agree, but those who use abortion for birth control are in fact killing for the sake of “sexual freedom”.

It is a very blunt statement, but it is no less blunt than the blatant disregard for life.

Sorry but abortion has nothing to do with sexual freedom if the result of the act denies freedom of life to a baby…a gift of God.

 

[Possenti2264]

Sorry but abortion has nothing to do with sexual freedom if the result of the act denies freedom of life to a baby…a gift of God.

I put “sexual freedom” in quotations, because that is what they think they are getting. The freedom to have sex without the assumed consequence of a baby. They are killing in order to continue their view of sexual freedom, which is actually the exact opposite. They are such slaves to their sexual desires/lifestyles that they choose to kill the baby.

We are in agreement, not in conflict.

 

[rwoehmke]

A young lady of my acquaintance cleaned up, decorated, installed shelving and organized the storage area of the local pregnancy support center. In this way diapers, baby clothes, formula, car seats, etc. for distribution to single and/or poor mothers was made easily inventoried and selected to meet the needs of their clients. The area had been a two car attached garage that was gloomy and ill equipped for storage. Now it is cheerful and the goods easily accessible to the volunteers.

It was her project for a Girl Scout rank advancement. I expect drives to stock diapers and other needs would be another type of project to support these mothers in crisis.

 

[Diane_Lynn]

I put “sexual freedom” in quotations, because that is what they think they are getting. The freedom to have sex without the assumed consequence of a baby. They are killing in order to continue their view of sexual freedom, which is actually the exact opposite. They are such slaves to their sexual desires/lifestyles that they choose to kill the baby.

We are in agreement, not in conflict.

Then please accept my apology for misunderstanding your assertion.

 

[chichizola]

*** They get pregnant because it is God’s Divine Will, and God’s GIFT!***

Love and prayers
Patrick

Dear Patrick,

In general I agree with you, I must take exception to the quoted above. We have fee will, if we all did God’s will, we would live in a very different world.

May God bless you,

Cheers.

 

[Possenti2264]

***What rubbish! So the man has no guilt? Women get pregnant by themselves?

Few if any women get pregnat simply so they can abort the LIVING BABY. They get pregnant because it is God’s Divine Will, and God’s GIFT!

Everything, everything happens either because it is caused by God these things are always GOOD] or PERMITTED by God if OUR perception is “that it is not good.”

Things happen for two reasons!

For THE POSSIBILITY of us accepting God’s Will and growing closer to God, and always for the GREATER GLORY of God.***

Love and prayers
Patrick

Patrick, I believe you misunderstand what I am saying.

It’s not that they intentionally get pregnant so that they may kill for sex, but when the opportunity presents itself, often times they just want to “get rid of it” so they don’t have to change anything about their lifestyle.

You’re right. Not just women, but men too are willing to kill for sex. I’ve seen where men wanted to keep the baby and the women had it aborted. I’ve also seen men who bullied their girls into having abortions. I’ve also seen women who just go by themselves, the pregnancy being a result of casual sex. They’re just not wanting a baby and they’re very nonchalant about it.

 

[Possenti2264]

Dear Patrick,

In general I agree with you, I must take exception to the quoted above. We have fee will, if we all did God’s will, we would live in a very different world.

May God bless you,

Cheers.

Let me see if I can word this clearly enough.

A baby is a gift from God. Sex outside of marriage is immoral. By creating a baby, God is turning a good thing out of a bad thing. It does not right the wrong, and it does not devalue the life of the baby.

IF the couple abstained from premarital/extramarital sex, that pregnancy may not have occurred (of course they may not then have a disordered view of sex and relationships and may have been married earlier and had the same pregnancy. Only God knows.) HOWEVER, we cannot use immoral means for the sake of possibly bringing about a child which is God’s gift.

Is that clear?

We have free will and God can make good things come of our bad choices, but it does not excuse our bad choices.

 

[Possenti2264]

And here is the prevention of abortion in the works (crossposted at “Prayers for Adoption”)

This happened to me this morning:

Please pray

I just got a call from a Sister (religious, not MY sister) in Indiana who has a mother with her who is 4 months pregnant and was considering abortion. She is now considering adoption and the Sister (religious, not HER sister) wanted to know if we were interested in adopting a black baby (which we are).

The Sister found out about us through mutual acquaintances and wanted to know if we were willing to “interface” with the mother.

Pray that God will intercede in the heart of this mother.

Thanks be to God and to our Holy Mother on this Feast of the Immaculate Conception!

 

[tbcrawford]

And here is the prevention of abortion in the works (crossposted at “Prayers for Adoption”)

This happened to me this morning:

Please pray

I just got a call from a Sister (religious, not MY sister) in Indiana who has a mother with her who is 4 months pregnant and was considering abortion. She is now considering adoption and the Sister (religious, not HER sister) wanted to know if we were interested in adopting a black baby (which we are).

The Sister found out about us through mutual acquaintances and wanted to know if we were willing to “interface” with the mother.

Pray that God will intercede in the heart of this mother.

Thanks be to God and to our Holy Mother on this Feast of the Immaculate Conception!

May God bless you and this unborn child.I will pray for you all.

Divine Mercy
Eternal God,
in whom mercy is endless
and the treasury of compassion

• inexhaustible,
  look kindly upon us
  and increase Your mercy in us,
  that in difficult moments
  we might not despair
  nor become despondent,
  but with great confidence
  submit ourselves to Your holy will,
  which is Love and Mercy itself.Amen

Prayer for Faith
Lord, I believe:
I wish to believe in Thee.
Lord, let my faith be full and unreserved,
and let it penetrate my thought,
my way of judging Divine things and human things.
Lord, let my faith be joyful
and give peace and gladness to my spirit,
and dispose it for prayer with God
and conversation with men,
so that the inner bliss of its fortunate possession
may shine forth in sacred and secular conversation
Lord, let my faith be humble and not presume
to be based on the experience of my thought and of my
feeling;
but let it surrender to the testimony of the Holy Spirit,
and not have any better guarantee than in docility to
Tradition
and to the authority of the magisterium of the Holy Church.
Amen

 

[beafedor]

I think Diane and Possenti have misconceptions about why an abortion occurs and that the only result is the murder of a baby. I pray that you please log on to the Silent No More Awareness website, watch the video “I had an abortion because…” and read some testimonies. silentnomoreawareness.org/

Those involved in the killing of a child (women and men alike, well meaning parents of teenage girls …) pay dearly for it, for the rest of their days. Yes they have killed but by God’s grace, they have the opportunity to chose repentance, to amend their lives and to be witnesses to life. I’m writing this in memory of Alicia and Gabriel, my children lost to abortion. Our Lord Jesus Christ said to the woman caught in adultery: “Neither do I condemn you. Go and sin no more”.

Possenti, I’m praying for your adoption news.

 

[Possenti2264]

I think Diane and Possenti have misconceptions about why an abortion occurs and that the only result is the murder of a baby. I pray that you please log on to the Silent No More Awareness website, watch the video “I had an abortion because…” and read some testimonies. silentnomoreawareness.org/

Those involved in the killing of a child (women and men alike, well meaning parents of teenage girls …) pay dearly for it, for the rest of their days. Yes they have killed but by God’s grace, they have the opportunity to chose repentance, to amend their lives and to be witnesses to life. I’m writing this in memory of Alicia and Gabriel, my children lost to abortion. Our Lord Jesus Christ said to the woman caught in adultery: “Neither do I condemn you. Go and sin no more”.

Possenti, I’m praying for your adoption news.

Maybe my premise needs a bit more clarification.

I was a sidewalk counselor for a few years, so I am speaking from what I have seen.

1. I understand that not all abortions are for the same reasons, and that some people have them because they are teenage mothers whose parents threaten to throw them out of their house, or because of any number of reasons.
2. I understand the consequences of abortion, and that it deeply wounds the people involved, whether they understand their hurt/emptiness or not. I have a few friends who have committed abortions and are dealing with it. It’s something from which they will never recover.
3. I have seen a great many people go in to have abortions because they just flat out don’t want kids or they don’t want another kid. The reasoning behind what those people are doing is to have the pleasure of sex without having the consequence of a child. They have a disordered understanding of God’s meaning of sex. They are killing in order to continue to have sex without having to take the responsibility of raising that child. They may not realize that it will cause tremendous damage scars soon after or years down the road. I have seen people so disgustingly far from God that they celebrated in the parking lot before and after they had their abortions. They gave high-fives and laughed and cheered. It was like if Satan threw a ticker-tape parade or something.

The hurt from the abortion is not something that anyone plans. They do not understand it when they do it, or they do it with full understanding, but believe they have to do it so their boyfriend doesn’t dump them. It is the same separation of the unitive and procreative as contraception, except a life has been created and they are destroying that life.