What can Mary actually do?

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different_division said:
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My understanding is that Jesus only wants you to pray to Him and not use any intermediaries. He is your connection to those on the other side. They are not your connection to Him. I am just giving you my opinion, I have no desire to get into an argument with any Catholics.
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Have you ever asked a friend or family member to pray for you?
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Yes, but they are in the world, not in heaven. I don’t think you have access to people in heaven outside of God. You can’t bypass God who is your connection to heaven in order to get a blessing from God.
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The link below explains why asking those in heaven to pray for us in not only historically a practice from the early church but also is in scripture…

 
I have to concur with others that Mary can do more us than just intercede. She is allowed, by God, to bestow graces on us. One can certainly pray to Mary for grace.
 
I do not know where you get this understanding. Not wanting to argue, but you must be on a Catholic forum for a reason, perhaps to discuss such issues?
 
I understand what you are saying, but I feel the need to point out that I can ask a friend to
intercede for me for strength…of course I wouldn’t directly ask that friend to “be my strength”. All good things come from the Lord.

Of course it is the Lord who gets the request and we can go directly to Him. It is nice to have companions along the way who can go to the Lord for you as well.
 
I can empathize with your struggle here. Personally, I ask Mary and the other saints ’to pray for me to the Lord our God’. I don’t pray to Mary… instead ask her and the other saints to join their voices to mine as a pray to God.

I would say that if you are uncomfortable with some of the devotional practices of some in the Church, just know that the Church allows for great latitude on these things and does not obligate anyone to engage in them.

I recommend St John Henry Newman on the subject. He gives an amazingly good account of Catholic devotional tendencies and devotion to Mary in particular that helped me feel good about not being on board with the more intense devotional stylings of De Montfort or Kolbe or Alphonsus Liguori.

Hope that helps a little.
 
I would presume that Mary has faith at least the size of a mustard seed.

The key issue is probably not what she can do, but what is best for her to do.
 
We are praying to Jesus through Mary.As His mother he doesn’t deny her requests.You are aware ,that the Geborah( queen) was the main. Intercessor to the king her son on behalf of the people?This was a foreshadowing of our Mother Mary🙏
 
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Mary can do anything. She is “omnipotent by grace” (though not by nature). Her Divine Son has entrusted all grace to Her and will deny Her nothing
 
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The link below explains why asking those in heaven to pray for us in not only historically a practice from the early church but also is in scripture…

What the Early Church Believed: The Intercession of the Saints | Catholic Answers
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None of the bible passages cited states that anyone prayed or should pray to angels.
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I guess you missed Tobit 12:12,14-16 where archangel Raphael says “So now when you and Sarah prayed, it was I who brought and read the record of your prayer before the glory of the Lord, and likewise whenever you would bury the dead … And at the same time God sent me to heal you and Sarah your daughter-in-law. I am Raphael, one of the seven angels who stand ready and enter before the glory of the Lord. The two of them were shaken; they fell face down, for they were afraid”
 
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None of the bible passages cited states that anyone prayed or should pray to angels.
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Bible passages supporting praying to angels?
Here ya go.


And yes, I know Tobit is not canon in the KJV, but it is for us Catholics. (It’s rather handy to just find reasons to remove books from the canon if they don’t support whatever incorrect information the Protestants are trying to teach.)

Here’s some more Bible verses dealing with humans having angels intercede for them, that are not from Tobit.

www.patheos.com

Praying To Angels And Angelic Intercession: It's Biblical!

Non-Catholic Christians believe that we can't ask an intercessory request of an angel (praying to angels). But what does the Bible teach?
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Tis_Bearself said:
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different_division:
None of the bible passages cited states that anyone prayed or should pray to angels.
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Bible passages supporting praying to angels?
Here ya go.

Why pray to angels? | Catholic Answers

(And yes, I know Tobit is not canon in the KJV, but it is for us Catholics.)
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You should know that the KJV included Tobit and other deuterocanonical books from it’s first publishing date in 1611 until 1885 😉
 
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You should know that the KJV included Tobit and other deuterocanonical books from it’s first publishing date in 1611 until 1885 😉
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True, but there was an ongoing debate about the inclusion of the Protestant apocrypha prior to its just being removed. I understand now in some circles there is a debate about whether it should have been removed.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
Bible passages supporting praying to angels?
Here ya go.

Why pray to angels? | Catholic Answers

And yes, I know Tobit is not canon in the KJV, but it is for us Catholics. (It’s rather handy to just find reasons to remove books from the canon if they don’t support whatever incorrect information the Protestants are trying to teach.)

Here’s some more Bible verses dealing with humans having angels intercede for them, that are not from Tobit.

Praying to Angels and Angelic Intercession: It’s Biblical! | Dave Armstrong
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The archangel Raphael still did not say that they prayed to him or that they should pray to angels.
 
different_division said:
The archangel Raphael still did not say that they prayed to him or that they should pray to angels.
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It’s pretty clear from all these references that people may pray to angels, are permitted to do so, and that such intercessory prayers are efficacious and do not offend God in any way.

People are not required to pray to angels, so it is not a case of “should pray to angels” or “must pray to angels”. You yourself are free to never ask the intercession of an angel if you don’t want to.
But it is not wrong or displeasing to God or lacking in efficacy to ask the intercession of an angel, which is what we mean when we say “pray to an angel”.

In any event, I think this thread has now been derailed from its original topic of “what can Mary do” so if you want to discuss further, please start a new thread. I will be muting this one.
 
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nfinke said:
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Though as the queen of heaven maybe she has more authority than the average saint for things like that? Can someone clear this up for me?
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Note that we sing this in the Akathistos (through which one may obtain a plenary indulgence):
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Ikos 12
As we sing of Your childbirth, we praise you as the living Temple, O Mother of God. For the Lord, Who holds all things in His Hand made His dwelling in Your womb. He hallowed and He glorified You, teaching all to sing to You:
Rejoice, O Tabernacle of God the Word!
Rejoice, O Holy One, greater than the Holies!
Rejoice, O Ark, made golden by the Spirit!
Rejoice, O inexhaustible Treasury of life!
Rejoice, precious Crown of pious Kings!
Rejoice, sacred glory of reverent priests!
Rejoice, invincible tower of the Church!
Rejoice, indestructible Wall of the kingdom!
Rejoice, O you, through whom Victory is assured!
Rejoice, O you, through whom enemies are cast down!
Rejoice, O Healing of my body!
Rejoice, O Salvation of my soul!
Rejoice, O Bride and Maiden — ever-pure!

Kontakion 13
O mother worthy of all praise,
You who have given birth to the Word.
The Holiest of the Holy,
accept this present offering.
Deliver all of us from every affliction,
and save from the future punishment,
those who cry out to you.
Alleluia, alleluia!
Alleluia, alleluia!
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Mary can do anything. She is “omnipotent by grace” (though not by nature). Her Divine Son has entrusted all grace to Her and will deny Her nothing
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Mary is omnipotent now… Where do u guys (the church) get this kind of stuff from, certainly not from the bible.
 
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