What can you all tell me about the SSPX?

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Allen_Cox said:
What can you tell me about or where can I find more information on the SSPX?
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A lot of people are going to tell you to use the search button. Sorry I don’t really have much “up to date” info on them.
 
I suggest you go here for more information:

sspx.org/

Otherwise, this thread is just an invitation to more silly arguments on this and there are already enough other threads for that.
 
Allen Cox,

There are many different things that can be said about the SSPX. However, rarely are comments unmixed with personal bias. As Onegin said, if you want to learn about the SSPX, I would suggest you go to the SSPX to learn about what they are, etc.
 
Thank you for the link Onegin.

I’m not trying to start an argument at all. Maybe I should look other places for answers to my questions. I’m just not quite sure where to find the right info. I was recently invited to attend an SSPX church by my neighbor. I had never heard of them before. I have only been Catholic since the Easter Vigil this year. I decided to go. I enjoyed the service a lot. Everyone there was very warm and welcoming. I even attended a Catechism class after the service and I learned a lot and looked forward to the next weeks class. I had never even heard the word schism before. All of the members there told me that they are not in schism and that Pope Benedict XVI has said that it is OK to perform the Latin mass so I thought everything was fine. I attend daily mass, and since they only offer mass on the weekends at the SSPX church, I went back to the church I had been attending previously this week. Everyone I have talked to about it since has had very negative things to say about the SSPX. Everyone I have talked to since has told me that they are in schism. I was told that all of the priests have been excommunicated and their masses are illegal. Since I have heard these things I have been having a lot of anxiety. I do not want to disobey the Pope at all, but I really want to go back to this church. I’m really interested in finding out what the Holy See’s official position is on this issue. Does anyone know where I can find it? Should I contact my local diocese, or maybe try to contact Rome? Is there some place where this information is posted on an official website? I would appreciate some help in the right direction.:confused:
 
I can only add that you look at their own link provided earlier, search previous threads here on that topic, you are on the correct forum, and research the CA homepage library including This Rock. The answers are here if you will just take time to look.
 
Allen_Cox said:
Thank you for the link Onegin.

I’m not trying to start an argument at all. Maybe I should look other places for answers to my questions. I’m just not quite sure where to find the right info. I was recently invited to attend an SSPX church by my neighbor. I had never heard of them before. I have only been Catholic since the Easter Vigil this year. I decided to go. I enjoyed the service a lot. Everyone there was very warm and welcoming. I even attended a Catechism class after the service and I learned a lot and looked forward to the next weeks class. I had never even heard the word schism before. All of the members there told me that they are not in schism and that Pope Benedict XVI has said that it is OK to perform the Latin mass so I thought everything was fine. I attend daily mass, and since they only offer mass on the weekends at the SSPX church, I went back to the church I had been attending previously this week. Everyone I have talked to about it since has had very negative things to say about the SSPX. Everyone I have talked to since has told me that they are in schism. I was told that all of the priests have been excommunicated and their masses are illegal. Since I have heard these things I have been having a lot of anxiety. I do not want to disobey the Pope at all, but I really want to go back to this church. I’m really interested in finding out what the Holy See’s official position is on this issue. Does anyone know where I can find it? Should I contact my local diocese, or maybe try to contact Rome? Is there some place where this information is posted on an official website? I would appreciate some help in the right direction.:confused:
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Allen Cox,

I converted in 1995. I didn’t assist at an SSPX Mass until 2005. You can wait. Take your time. Get a clear conscience. Or decide against. If you wait ten years, it might be that nobody can say a word against the Society and we are talking about St. Marcel Lefebvre…That’s wishful thinking for me…It’ll probably take longer…eleven years! Heh.

God bless Allen…Its not an easy question.

Rory
 
You could also hop in the car and come out to the Auriesville Pilgrimage this weekend and talk to some priests, nuns, and lay folks instead of relying on some of the internet lay-pontificators.
 
giuseppeTO said:
…instead of relying on some of the internet lay-pontificators.
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Good idea, although no one here is pontificating. Instead of relying solely on what those in the SSPX say about themselves, here are some Catholic Church resources:

SSPX: Documents

Magisterial documents:
Ecclesial documents:

(Please note that these documents do not represent binding magisterial teaching but the educated opinions of the author.)
from:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=4197667&postcount=17
 
pnewton said:
Good idea, although no one here is pontificating. Instead of relying solely on what those in the SSPX say about themselves, here are some Catholic Church resources:

SSPX: Documents

Magisterial documents:
Ecclesial documents:

(Please note that these documents do not represent binding magisterial teaching but the educated opinions of the author.)
from:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=4197667&postcount=17
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First off, binding magisterial teaching can ONLY refer to the Church’s teaching on faith and morals which takes its binding quality from the doctrines on infallibility. None of the above fall into this category … none are teachings. they are pronouncements which carry weight according to the provisions of canon law.

But fair enough, Newt … I wouldn’t expect anyone to bypass any of these articles, regardless of their age and apllicability to the situation as it exists today.

Along with these, one should read:

The Archbishop and the Vatican

The Case Of Archbishop Levebvre

Open Letter to Confused Catholics

(If you can’t afford these books, PM me)

… and as I suggested above, meet the priests, the nuns, the parents, and the children.

Then you will have the whole picture. The pontificating I was referring to was The Rock … please!
 
If you’re interested in learning more about the SSPX, I recommend that you go straight to the source. Request the “New to Tradition” kit. Completely free and has a collection of books / pamphlets on the SSPX.

sspx.org/apologetic_materials.htm
 
giuseppeTO said:
First off, binding magisterial teaching can ONLY refer to the Church’s teaching on faith and morals which takes its binding quality from the doctrines on infallibility. None of the above fall into this category … none are teachings. they are pronouncements which carry weight according to the provisions of canon law.

But fair enough, Newt … I wouldn’t expect anyone to bypass any of these articles, regardless of their age and apllicability to the situation as it exists today.
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Yes, and one would be remiss if they did not read what the SSPX said about themselves. Yet to do that exclusively would not make much sense.

Binding magisterial teaching only applies to teaching of faith and morals, not disciplinary matters like excommunications and Mass forms. If the OP reads these documents, he needs to bear in mind the dates, as that affects what they said.

I think I did the right think linking to Catholic Answers articles on CAF forum. This** is** where the question was asked, after all.
 
pnewton said:
Yes, and one would be remiss if they did not read what the SSPX said about themselves. Yet to do that exclusively would not make much sense.

Binding magisterial teaching only applies to teaching of faith and morals, not disciplinary matters like excommunications and Mass forms. If the OP reads these documents, he needs to bear in mind the dates, as that affects what they said.

I think I did the right think linking to Catholic Answers articles on CAF forum. This** is** where the question was asked, after all.
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You did do the right thing. Newt, it is really no fun when we agree.
 
Allen_Cox said:
What can you tell me about or where can I find more information on the SSPX?
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The short answer is that SSPX is a schismatic movement that is disobedient to Rome.
The faculties of SSPX priests are suspended which means, for example, a marriage would be invalid if handled by an SSPX priest.

However, the documents that giuseppeTO refers you to give an excellent view of the official Church stand on SSPX.
 
thistle said:
The short answer is that SSPX is a schismatic movement that is disobedient to Rome.
The faculties of SSPX priests are suspended which means, for example, a marriage would be invalid if handled by an SSPX priest.

However, the documents that giuseppeTO refers you to give an excellent view of the official Church stand on SSPX.
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you sir are ignorant, yes they are suspended, no they are not in schism, no their sacraments are not licit, yes they are valid.

if i were you i would take some time to educate myself before i stated that a group was in schism. they are actually in negotiations with the Vatican that very well could result in their suspension being lifted
 
VetA said:
you sir are ignorant,
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That’s not charitable.
yes they are suspended,
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That’s for sure.
no they are not in schism,
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That’s debatable; the Econe consecrations were definitely a schismatic act, and the Holy See has decried the schismatic attitude that exists among the group’s adherents.
no their sacraments are not licit,
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You can say that again.
yes they are valid.
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Their Masses are valid, but then, you know what, if Dale Fushek, the excommunicated schismatic pedophile founder of Lifeteen said a Mass, it would also be valid, so I’m not sure that bare validity is much to crow about. And the SSPX’s penance/absolution is invalid (except in danger of death) because they lack any faculties or legitimate ministry in the Catholic Church; with absolutely zero sacramental effect, it’s just the simulation of a sacrament. You may well be right about the others – baptism is doubtless valid, confirmation and holy orders very likely (though extremely grave sins for those involved), extreme unction also very likely valid but maybe not sinful, marriage unclear.

I know that some people like to think of the SSPX as “just another alternative lifestyle, if you feel it’s right for you, man” but it’s really not.
 
MarkThompson said:
That’s not charitable.
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i really could care less about being charitable in your sense, if someone is ignorant, call it like it is, being charitable is teaching people (such as the reconciliation thing in youre last paragraph for me) so that they are not ignorant.

did you think calling my statement “not charitable” would make me go running in to a corner apologizing and asking forgiveness from God… youre going to have to say something a LOT harder than “not charitable” to scare me.
 
VetA said:
i really could care less about being charitable in your sense, if someone is ignorant, call it like it is, being charitable is teaching people (such as the reconciliation thing in youre last paragraph for me) so that they are not ignorant.

did you think calling my statement “not charitable” would make me go running in to a corner apologizing and asking forgiveness from God… youre going to have to say something a LOT harder than “not charitable” to scare me.
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“If someone is ignorant, call it like it is”? It doesn’t quite work that way. Maybe we should say, “if someone is ugly, call it like it is.” Or “if someone’s mom is fat, call it like it is.” (“Hey dude, chillax, I just called your mom fat because she is fat, duh!”) I assume English is your first language, so you must know that although in a stripped-down sense “ignorant” means “not knowing,” the strong connotation it carries is “dumb, stupid, a cretin, an ignoramus.” (“Pardon me, do you have the time?” “How ignorant of you! It’s 8 o’clock!” – doesn’t quite go.)
 
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