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Jesus is the High Priest. He faced west and not east I think. I have been told that the High Priest in the Temple faced east. Jesus, when he hung on the Cross, faced west which could be said to be versus populum. On the other hand he is the Sun and the sun comes from the east but faces west.
Then Jesus is not the person who put himself on the Cross. The High Priests, if I am right, did kill the lamb. Jesus never kill himself. The people who were not the Temple people killed him.
Then of course the Mass is simply not just about the Cricifixion as it is also about the Last Supper (in which He faced east I have been told).

Please give me the fundamentals of this. I am not interested in looking at the details. I just want the truth.
 
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https://sanctamissa.org/en/faq/praying-the-mass.html
" The priest offers Mass facing the same direction as the people, because he and the people together are offering worship and sacrifice to God. He is not turning his back on the people to exclude them. Rather, as a Christian community, are all facing ad orientem (i.e. toward the east) waiting in joyful expectation for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ who will return to judge the living and the dead and the world by fire (Rite of Baptism, 1962).
What in the early Church determined the position of the altar was that it faced Eastward. To quote St. Augustine : “When we rise to pray, we turn East, where heaven begins. And we do this not because God is there, as if He had moved away from the other directions on earth…, but rather to help us remember to turn our mind towards a higher order, that is, to God.”
This quotation shows that the Christians of those early days, after listening to the homily, would rise for the prayer which followed, and turn towards the East. St. Augustine always refers to this turning to the East in prayer at the end of his homilies, using a set formula, Conversi ad Dominum (“turn to face the Lord”)."
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Fauken said:
The priest offers Mass facing the same direction as the people, because he and the people together are offering worship and sacrifice to God.
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What kind of offering do the laity offer?
 
Themselves…and our praise…United to the Eucharistic offering.
 
In the Temple they offered a lamb but now we offer ourselves?
 
jesusmademe said:
I just want the truth.
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The truth is that we don’t know which way Jesus faced during the last supper or crucifixion, nor is that in any way relevant to the ad orientem position of the priest at mass.
 
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The priest offers the Christ Himself, under the form of bread and wine, the one true eternal Lamb of God. The sacrifices of the old temple prefigured and anticipated Christ’s own sacrifice of himself. We, who are baptised into Christ, unite ourselves to that same offering through our prayer and praise.
 
They face towards Jerusalem or, more specifically, towards the Holy Temple…now, just the Western Wall that remains. For most Jews, that’s East but not all of them.
 
twf said:
We, who are baptised into Christ, unite ourselves to that same offering through our prayer and praise
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What does a layperson add to the Mass? I mean, it is a Mass only because of the Priest.
 
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It may sound kinda wierd to some people but I ask it anyway: Jesus is both the High Priest and the lamb. How can Jesus be both the person who were being slaughtered and the person slaugthering? It seems like this actually never was the case
 
jesusmademe said:
Then of course the Mass is simply not just about the Cricifixion as it is also about the Last Supper (in which He faced east I have been told).
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Was the Crucifixion the Mass? No. Was the Last Supper the Mass? No (at least not as the Mass is celebrated post-resurrection). So those things have no bearing on our orientation during Mass. Each one is being re-represented or recalled in some way during the Mass, but they themselves are not the Mass.

The notion of facing to the east is due to the fact that the Sun rises from the east. It is symbolic of Christ’s resurrection and return.
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What does a layperson add to the Mass? I mean, it is a Mass only because of the Priest.
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As @twf stated, the laity unite themselves to the sacrifice taking place.
 
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Holy Bible (Douay Rheims)
Heb 9:11-14 • ‘But Christ, being come an high priest of the good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hand, that is, not of this creation: Neither by the blood of goats, or of calves, but by his own blood, entered once into the holies, having obtained eternal redemption. For if the blood of goats and of oxen, and the ashes of an heifer being sprinkled, sanctify such as are defiled, to the cleansing of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who by the Holy Ghost offered himself unspotted unto God, cleanse our conscience from dead works, to serve the living God?’
 
CTBcin said:
As @twf stated, the laity unite themselves to the sacrifice taking place.
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A layperson can attend Mass but never really really be needed. Only the Priest is needed.
I seem kinda useless at Mass. I am just a person in the pews. I add nothing.
To be honest, attending Mass feels weird. I have no important role at church. The altar servers at least help the Priest. I am just doing nothing (other than singing). I feel a bit useless at Mass.
 
How can Jesus be both the person who were being slaughtered and the person slaugthering? It seems like this actually never was the case.
 
Fauken said:
The priest offers Mass facing the same direction as the people, because he and the people together are offering worship and sacrifice to God.
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That makes too much sense to me. In my parish the tabernacle is on the other side of the Altar. I imagine if my priest were to stand with his back to us on this side of the altar it would be as if we’re offering the Lamb of God to the Ark of the Covenant (the tabernacle).

But, would the priest stay on this side of the altar turn & face us to say, “Behold the Lamb of God!”

Or does he go to the other side of the altar to present us the true manna?

Or does he continue to face the altar, back to us, & say,“Behold the Lamb of God!”
 
jesusmademe said:
A layperson can attend Mass but never really really be needed. Only the Priest is needed.
I seem kinda useless at Mass. I am just a person in the pews. I add nothing.
To be honest, attending Mass feels weird. I have no important role at church. The altar servers at least help the Priest. I am just doing nothing (other than singing). I feel a bit useless at Mass.
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Your role is your presence and participation. The Mass isn’t about functionalism. The important part is that you’re there, not that you’re “doing something.” You’re there to offer a sacrifice united to the the sacrifice of the priest, and to receive Our Lord.

That being said, if you want to do something more or help out in the Mass, you can always ask to be a lector, EMHC, etc.
 
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