What caused the 'sexual revolution?'

[migueltojose]

Speaking of individualism… here’s an observation… somewhere along the line it became more about the individual versus the art. In music it’s the singer or guitar player but shouldn’t it be about the song? In movies it’s the actors or director but it
sn’t it about the movie. In sports it’s most evidient. It used to be about the team. Now it’s more about the player. It’s bass akwards. It’s twisted. Our osession with celebrity wealth and fame is misguided. It has filled the void created by disposable income and leisure time. What a waste of time and money it is. It’s a sin.

 

[lerapt78]

But why is this? Is this not because you Americans would rather engage in sycophantic hyperbole than address issues? Why let this happen? Why not eschew the garbage, lay off the binary and the “X is better than Y, so I’ll vote for X to keep Y out” when you have Z and A and B? If Americans truly want what is said here, they won’t support the same old garbage. Yet they do. They choose X or Y when there is Z and A and B. They play into the propaganda of X and Y only. They are blind to the fact that no other democracy in the world is stuck with a binary.

You touched upon an interesting facet of our political process, and you are very correct in that Americans prefer a choice between two parties than to “think outside the box” when it comes to electing officials. Part of it I think is has to do with comfort level, but there is also the issue of media blackout with respect to differentiating viewpoints. Third parties will rarely get the time afforded to tout their policies in front of the cameras, and Americans (in general) are content to follow the candidates that either CNN or Fox News present to them. If you think about it, the people behind “the people” will find it easier to control two political parties as opposed to twenty. There is deliberate action behind this, I think.

But since you mentioned that old “taxation without representation” polemic, how come you still require your citizens who live overseas, have no national income, no ties, and no assets, to pay income tax? They can’t even vote for anyone, yet they have to pay tax? Where is the outrage over this? No other country in the world does this, except for Eritrea. I hear whining about taxes all the time, but no one ever addresses this injustice.

Where do you get this information? If an American is living abroad (but has not renounced his American citizenship), he/she is able to vote via absentee ballot. With regard to taxes, it is not a clear-cut demand that taxes have to be filed if one lives overseas; rather there are qualifications that have to be met, and it has to do with length of residency, amount of income, source of income (which company you work for), etc.

 

[migueltojose]

You touched upon an interesting facet of our political process, and you are very correct in that Americans prefer a choice between two parties than to “think outside the box” when it comes to electing officials. Part of it I think is has to do with comfort level, but there is also the issue of media blackout with respect to differentiating viewpoints. Third parties will rarely get the time afforded to tout their policies in front of the cameras, and Americans (in general) are content to follow the candidates that either CNN or Fox News present to them. If you think about it, the people behind “the people” will find it easier to control two political parties as opposed to twenty. There is deliberate action behind this, I think.

Where do you get this information? If an American is living abroad (but has not renounced his American citizenship), he/she is able to vote via absentee ballot. With regard to taxes, it is not a clear-cut demand that taxes have to be filed if one lives overseas; rather there are qualifications that have to be met, and it has to do with length of residency, amount of income, source of income (which company you work for), etc.

American Politics - Number one job… get elected… number two job… get re-elected. Campaign. Sell out. It is necassary or you won’t get elected. The issue for me and I would hope others is there are parts of both platforms we like but also parts of both we don’t like. Fiscal responsibility. Socially liberal (social justice). But the Dems support choice and other life issues we simply can’t (or shouldn’t) and they are not fiscally responsible. The Reps are supposed to be fiscally responsible but they haven’t been for a long time, they lean toward being pro-life but won’t commit. (See number one and two above…) No one can get elected telling the truth. We can’t handle the truth. As a result we are turned off because there are no good alternatives. Also because we just haven’t been put into enough agony yet (despite all appearances). We also lack national vision. Where are we going and how are we going to get there. We are rudderless and adrift… no moral compass…

 

[edwest2]

Please elaborate. Do you not think that excessive disposable income played no role? Maybe not by itself, the Kinsey types and the deviants helped, no doubt, but the consumerisation of everyday life certainly is an attitude that effected how many look at relationships. Everything is about “consumers” and “consuming” and “markets” these days. Nothing is treated as off limits from this perverse mindset where everything is a commercial transaction for one’s own benefit.

I agree. They also wanted to make money. Like drug dealers, they lure people in with cheap thrills, then get you hooked. These facts don’t disprove that affluence played no role. In fact, the rise in disposable income fuelled the growth of these establishments.

Wow. That’s just amazing. It reminds me of a claim made recently that illegitimate pregnancy increased because of the mass produced automobile. Just recently, a friend of mine who lives in a small town, was taking his dog for a walk. Though not visible until he got close to it, he noticed two sheets of plywood that were painted a certain color in the nearby woods. He took the long way around and saw a nude couple inside, because it was open on two sides. The following day, he checked and they were gone, so he had it taken down and left for trash.

Peace,
Ed

 

[edwest2]

What caused the sexual revolution…

The combination of science (the pill), luck (?) (little or no economic competition for either reosurces or production), technology (explosive growth of disposable income and lesiure time), advertising (sex sells, commercial radio, TV, music) and a sense of entitlement (hey, we just won WWII, time to enjoy the spoils of victory)… whether or not thedevil and the Holy Spirit were active participants or bystanders, I don’t know, that’s a mystery, but the major drivers were too big and strong to overcome… We complain a lot about the way things are but from the perspective of creature comfotrts, they are a lot better than the way things were. Technology is the answer to all our ills, coupled with a moral compass and the Father, Son and Holy Spirit behind us, with us and out front of us clearing the path.

That is incorrect. And there is no mystery. Leisure time? We mowed the grass with a push lawnmower. People painted their garages and went for trips as families. My growing up included picking strawberries, cherries and apples just like I lived on the farm. In fact, most people still live in rural areas today than in cities.

In my working class, Catholic neighborhood, people worked hard on shop floors. Stores were closed on Sundays - people saved money. Nobody had a credit card. Even kids were taught, “If you really want that, you are going to have to earn it.” So, in the Summer, I cut people’s grass or did a little painting, and in the Winter, I carried my snow shovel to every house that did not have their snow shoveled and asked if I could do it. We got about 50 cents a week from our parents, and they did without to pay for school tuition.

Technology is not the answer to all our ills. Never will be. Ten years ago, Time magazine devoted a special issue to all the medical advances that should be coming out around now and in the next few years. Amazing stuff. The next issue, a doctor, the head of a major medical association, had a letter published that told readers: Even if all the planned advances occur, HALF of the population would still be at risk for major medical conditions.

Why? Not one time, he wrote, was the word behavior mentioned in that entire issue. Right now, if we aren’t eating right, getting exercise, and avoiding junk food - we are all in that boat.

Peace,
Ed

 

[Do_Good_Then_Go]

Wow. That’s just amazing. It reminds me of a claim made recently that illegitimate pregnancy increased because of the mass produced automobile. Just recently, a friend of mine who lives in a small town, was taking his dog for a walk. Though not visible until he got close to it, he noticed two sheets of plywood that were painted a certain color in the nearby woods. He took the long way around and saw a nude couple inside, because it was open on two sides. The following day, he checked and they were gone, so he had it taken down and left for trash.

Peace,
Ed

Ed, what?? I’m really not understanding what you’re saying here.

You do think affluence had something to do with it?

You don’t think affluence had something to do with it?

And the plywood sheets painted a certain colour - is the fact they were a certain colour significant? Are you saying the fact that most people began to have access to automobiles (when once most people didn’t) had nothing to do with it or something to do with it?

I’m not trying to be sarcastic, I’m really not getting it.

 

[Geist]

Was it planned, or did it just happen. If, as St Paul states: In everything, God works for the good, where’s the good in the sexual revolution? To me, the sexual revolution is like a giant pendulum that one ought not stand in it’s way.

Satan>communists>hippies.

 

[edwest2]

The short version is not going to teach anybody anything. It was all carefully planned. Sure, we’ve always had dissidents inside the Church but the events leading up to it and our present cultural situation had everything to do with careful planning.

The discredited Kinsey Reports were published:

1948 Sexuality in the Human Male

1953 Sexuality in the Human Female

1953 Not by coincidence, the first issue of Playboy is published. Hugh Hefner begins to promote his Playboy Philosophy, sex is good anytime. As the years pass, he wraps his photos of nude and semi-nude women around intellectual articles, and articles about the finest cars, menswear, alcohol and other “sophisticated” examples of what the modern man should appreciate most.

1960 The FDA approves the birth control Pill. Since most people live on farms and rural areas, it does not get its first mass marketing push until 1973. And like any product, it had to provide the user with a benefit because manufacturers of The Pill had to sell product, and they could not have the Catholic Church standing in their way.

1966 The vicious anti-family and pro-abortion group, the National Organization for Women is founded.

www.now.org/

1967 So, they were selling potential users freedom from fear. Fear of what? Babies.

Time magazine cover story, April 7, 1967.

time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,843551,00.html

Read the top line: “Contraception: Freedom from Fear.”

1967 But what about Catholic teens on their way to college in 1967? A number of Catholic institutions of higher learning ended their ties with the Church. The reason? Freedom.

archive.catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0511fea1sb5.asp

The sheep were now free to roam into any academic error that such freedom would lead them.

1968 The Sexual Revolution has started but the Church attempts to put up a clear roadblock. Dissidents inside and outside the Church pressure Pope Paul VI to loosen Church restrictions on artificial birth control. Instead, in 1968, he reaffirms constant Church teaching in Humanae Vitae and warns Catholics of the consequences if we didn’t listen. It caused a howl of outcry “…unprecedented in the history of the Church…” Got that? After centuries, the perverts, sexual deviants and anarchists would not be denied.

“Within 24 hours, in an event unprecedented in the history of the Church, more than 200 dissenting theologians signed a full-page ad in The New York Times in protest. Not only did they declare their disagreement with encyclical’s teaching; they went one step further, far beyond their authority as theologians, and actually encouraged dissent among the lay faithful.” Source: regnumchristi

1969 A campaign of lies and deceptions begins with the media to convince the public that Abortion - the birth control of last resort - is OK. In fact, we should support it. We Were Lied To. That’s all been exposed now. Enemy number one? The Catholic Church.

catholicnewsagency.com/resources/abortion/articles-and-addresses/an-ex-abortionist-speaks/

1970s After spending millions of dollars on prostitutes, buildings, photographers, fillmmakers, printers and distributors, Adult Bookstores open everywhere. In 1968, the worst you could get on the newsstand was Playboy and similar, but mostly pictures, girlie magazines behind the counter. This was like going from marijuana to heroin. Oh Christians protested but the pornographers also had money to spend on high-priced lawyers protecting their “First Amendment Right” to produce this filth. These were the new Opium Dens, and like all drug addicts, some people would be compelled to pay for their next fix. Some becoming addicts for a very long time. Others breaking free.

Then let’s throw in strip clubs and topless bars. (For those interested, the Chinese went to war with the British and Americans who had opened Opium Dens in their country.)

1973 The end of Phase One of the first 5 year plan. The Supreme Court in the most bizarre ruling in history - not the people - cited “penumbras and emanations” from the Constitution and legalized abortion.

The last thing on the list was gay activists pressuring the American Psychiatric Association to remove homosexuality as a disorder from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual.

Fast forward to today and you can see how the foundation for The SEX without love Revolution was laid.

Peace,
Ed

 

[SgtSchultz]

Speaking of individualism… here’s an observation… somewhere along the line it became more about the individual versus the art. In music it’s the singer or guitar player but shouldn’t it be about the song? In movies it’s the actors or director but it
sn’t it about the movie. In sports it’s most evidient. It used to be about the team. Now it’s more about the player. It’s bass akwards. It’s twisted. Our osession with celebrity wealth and fame is misguided. It has filled the void created by disposable income and leisure time. What a waste of time and money it is. It’s a sin.

Where do you get this information? If an American is living abroad (but has not renounced his American citizenship), he/she is able to vote via absentee ballot. With regard to taxes, it is not a clear-cut demand that taxes have to be filed if one lives overseas; rather there are qualifications that have to be met, and it has to do with length of residency, amount of income, source of income (which company you work for), etc.

Some people are considered citizens because their parents are/were citizens even if they themselves never exercised it. The US tries to file suits against Canada all the time to take money from such “citizens”. Such people cannot vote because they have no “state” to register under. This is a big issue here with dual citizens or people who are not citizens by choice, but by fiat (i.e. for an extraterritorial tax grab). Think of how Mormons “baptise” generations of dead people. Similar concept.

If someone makes more than 92k$ and it’s not through wages, they have to pay US tax even if the source is not the US. The lottery for example. If you won the 649 Canada wouldn’t take a cent. The US wants money from you though even though it’s the Canadian lottery and the recipient doesn’t have any ties with the US. If the opposite happened to a Canadian living in the States (or with any other person from any other country living anywhere else) they’d not have to pay a cent except to the country where the income was derived. Taxation in Canada (and every other country) is based on residency, not citizenship.

Regardless, it’s obscene that one even has to file a tax return to a country they don’t live in or have ties to while residents who aren’t citizens would not.

As a result we are turned off because there are no good alternatives. Also because we just haven’t been put into enough agony yet (despite all appearances). We also lack national vision. Where are we going and how are we going to get there. We are rudderless and adrift… no moral compass…

This is a sell out. You need to stop voting for only two parties. We have five in Parliament, yet there is no European style proportional representation. The UK has several as well. You currently have more than two people standing for election. Vote for them. Our NDP party took 75+ years to become the official opposition, but they made it. Now they are a voice.

You don’t have to win power to be effective. You have a voice that must be heard in Parliament. The fact that ideas are flowing contrary to big parties makes a huge difference. It’s not always about winning a majority or total control, but getting the voice. Through time, such voices grow. You need to stop voting based on who you want to lose, and vote instead on who you’d like to best represent you.

You had Ross Perot at one time, but because he lost everyone gave up. Do you think you’d break the system after one go? It takes more than one tryout to get to the Olympics.

I find it ad that people try to “change” parties that have existed for hundreds of years and have so many entrenched interests and connections they have to pay back. Why not start your own? Everyone else in the world does. I say it’s because of lack of guts, no will to put in the effort, and apathy as a nation.

It reminds me of a claim made recently that illegitimate pregnancy increased because of the mass produced automobile.

Such a claim is, of course, absurd. One needn’t use an automobile to have an affair, even in a crowded city. But affluence doesn’t automatically link to cars.

Remember, I’m not saying that affluence alone is a cause, or that things wouldn’t have happened without it, albeit to a lesser degree and over a longer period of time, only that it’s a mitigating factor.

In my working class, Catholic neighborhood, people worked hard on shop floors. Stores were closed on Sundays - people saved money. Nobody had a credit card. Even kids were taught, “If you really want that, you are going to have to earn it.” So, in the Summer, I cut people’s grass or did a little painting, and in the Winter, I carried my snow shovel to every house that did not have their snow shoveled and asked if I could do it. We got about 50 cents a week from our parents, and they did without to pay for school tuition.

Technology is not the answer to all our ills. Never will be. Ten years ago, Time magazine devoted a special issue to all the medical advances that should be coming out around now and in the next few years. Amazing stuff. The next issue, a doctor, the head of a major medical association, had a letter published that told readers: Even if all the planned advances occur, HALF of the population would still be at risk for major medical conditions.

Why? Not one time, he wrote, was the word behavior mentioned in that entire issue. Right now, if we aren’t eating right, getting exercise, and avoiding junk food - we are all in that boat.

Satan>communists>hippies.

Actually, I think real Communists, the USSR elite types, wouldn’t have cared much for hippies. Practical commies like Lenin and Stalin would have had them all shipped to Gulags. Aren’t there stories of “true believers” moving to communist countries then finding out they hated it, or being thrown in prison?