What Causes People To Attack?

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excatholic:
Jimmy I believe the Word of God in Acts16:31 when it says “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” 1John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Now I ask you this, do you believe the Word of God?
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ex

I believe everything the bible says. But I do not believe it in the way that you interpret it. You interpret it in a way that means nothing. It is your guess of what it means. You take things out of context and it makes no sense.
 
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jeffreedy789:
yet you still make nothing of ‘working out your salvation with fear and trembling’.

ok, i acknowledge that you’re not being argumentative. i do want to know - why are you here? would you give us a clear answer to that question? do you want to learn more about the catholic faith, or are you on a crusade to lead us away from the RCC? if you believe that we’re going to heaven anyway, why bother?

i don’t know if you already know this, and are ignoring it, or if you just don’t know. but the church teaches that those who are outside of the catholic church can be saved due to the mercies of God, which we don’t fully understand. protestanst, muslims, agnostics, even atheists can be saved, if God chooses to save them. no one can be saved outside of the work of Christ on the cross, but anyone can be saved BY that work - and we don’t know for sure how wide He spreads that net. i hope and pray that it encompasses EVERYONE. i pray for an empty hell.

just so you know - you’re arguing with an old interpretation. the council of trent made its proclamation before the reformation. there was no such thing as a noncatholic christian back then (like protestants now, i mean). the truth of trent remains intact, while being applied and interpreted to the modern milieu.
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Friend a city on a hill can not be hidden.
 
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excatholic:
Joehar: I take it that you have a problem with good people like these being lied to? I have a burden for them also because I was one of them. I believe the Word is the light of the world and that it will stand without the added doctrines of men. Jesus is the Rock and not Peter.
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Ex…Old buddy, you just don’t listen do ya…
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We could go back & forth all day on such things, but the facts are there to behold. You quote all this Scripture yet ignore the Keys to the Kingdom which Jesus gave to Kepha (Peter). Quit cryin because you have no authority to run a church…You claim to obey Jesus & the Bible alone, yet you readily ignore passages that support Catholic positions

It’s all here Brother…www.catholic.com/library/church_papacy.asp
Read it for yourself. :ehh: & quit with this attack mode that doesn’t treat us like we’ve heard all your rhetoric before.

Answer me this…Do you really read ANY of the stuff on this site?
Have you even looked at the Catechism of the Catholic Church?

I WAS and “ex-Catholic” for over 30 years my dear friend & I’m really ashamed to say that now I see that I was lied to about the Catholic Church on very many things.Do you know who Ignatius of Antioch was? He was a close disciple of the Apostle John, & his writings come down to us today. His statements show that he learned Catholic doctrine (by which I mean doctrines that we believe today) from St. John himself and transmitted it in his letters as Bishop of the church in the same city where we were first called Christians. He calls it Catholic, because the name was already used to show the difference between real Christians & the heretical groups around at that time.

I’ll never return to Protestantism. There’s just nothing in it for me & I sincerely feel like they misrepresent Catholic teaching to keep their people from seeing the scriptural basis for it.Case in point: I have yet to see you post a viable answer to John 20:21-23…& I’ve never heard a Prot preacher touch on this passage. If we aren’t supposed to confess our sins to others then why does St. James tell us, “Confess your sins to one another and pray for one another that you may be healed”? (James 5 13-16) Answer that Ex. You can’t, because it’s a clear command to do exactly what we do. Yet you never answer the simple passages that support us. I’ve had soooo many discussions w/ beloved Prots who do just the same thing…yet they always fall silent when I show them in scripture that we are doing as commanded.

Your attack on celibacy I have answered in another thread, so I won’t touch it here.

PLEASE read the tracts on this site & read the catechism, which is also online, so it won’t even cost you anything but your time and patience. Even back when I had left the church I still took the time to read stuff by cults like the JWs & others so that I could talk to them with knowlege & share my faith. I think you are afraid that we might be right. I really do.

C’mon home Brother…you’re not gonna convert anyone here & your rhetoric doesn’t hold water. I KNOW because I’ve been where you are & it doesn’t work.

I love ya & respect ya
keep comin’ this way now…easy does it…
 
joehar said:
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    • “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” / I Peter 2:5 (speaking of all Christians being a priesthood)]
  • **Prayers to dead saints** (see [Deuteronomy 18:10-12](http://www.christiananswers.net/bible/deu18.html#10) - "Let no one be found among you who... who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD...")
    Offering of masses, prayers and rosaries for those who suffer in “purgatory” (see Hebrews 9:27 - “…Man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment.”)

    these items named are some of the reasons. None of this is in the word of God. (KJV)

    If it can be shown or proven in the word of God , then i will believe .

    Joe Please see my post to Ex. Your post about those teachings is lamed by the lack of context. If the saints are so dead then why does jesus teach us that God is the God of the living & not the dead. Moses & Elijah appeared w/ Jesus at the transfiguration…were they dead? The great cloud of witnesses in Hebrews 12 (that surround us) are they unaware of our struggles in this life? Besides…NO Catholic summons the dead… THAT allegation is one of the most ignorant cracks I’ve ever heard. Shame on ya. 😛
    You really have no idea what you’re even talkin’ about. My suggestion that you read the tracts on this homepage still stands…THEN, (if your problems still remain) come back & talk to us w/some idea of what we really believe.

    As I told Ex…You’ll get no converts here.

    We love ya…but you’re wrong…dead wrong.
 
I’m sad. excatholic is presently suspended.

I think the rest of us can return to the initial question of this thread “What Causes People To Attack?”.

And we will really learn the answers to that question if we think about why we were motivated to speak against what excatholic or others wrote.

Why did we feel that we must say what we did? How did we feel before we wrote? How did we feel while we wrote? How did we feel after we posted what we wrote?

If you attacked, was it because you felt you were under attack? Could that be a big answer to the question?

Please have the courage to step up and reply.

The purpose of this thread will be fulfilled if we can reply.

I’m in RCIA and I am still close enough to the fence that separates “Separated Brethren” from Roman Catholics. I honestly think that attacks from the other side of the fence look the same from this side as from the other side.
 
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Annunciata:
Why do anti-Catholics seek to attack the Catholic Faith?

Why do some Catholics attack the different ways of worshiping within the Faith?
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Yo! I have been attacked by anti-catholics many times. I go to confession each time, because it always gets ugly, especially with teens. The priest told me most ant-catholics are ex-catholics. Their reason for being anti-catholic usually comes from a bad experience they had in the church.
 
Church Militant:
…I WAS and “ex-Catholic” for over 30 years my dear friend & I’m really ashamed to say that now I see that I was lied to about the Catholic Church on very many things.Do you know who Ignatius of Antioch was? He was a close disciple of the Apostle John, & his writings come down to us today. His statements show that he learned Catholic doctrine (by which I mean doctrines that we believe today) from St. John himself and transmitted it in his letters as Bishop of the church in the same city where we were first called Christians. He calls it Catholic, because the name was already used to show the difference between real Christians & the heretical groups around at that time.

I’ll never return to Protestantism. There’s just nothing in it for me & I sincerely feel like they misrepresent Catholic teaching to keep their people from seeing the scriptural basis for it…
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Wow! CM,
I am so moved…I was getting a little upset at some because I though my Thread was being highjacked…but after your posts and some of the others in defense of the Faith…keep it coming!
Great Apologist for the Faith…:blessyou:
Annunciata:)
 
Would it be fair to say this?

What we hear from the other side of the fence sounds like an attack on us. Or it is an attack.

But what we say back in reply is not an attack.

But what if I say it also seems that way on the other side of the fence?

Maybe this time was different. It did seem rather silly what excatholic was saying. It sounded like he made up things and attacked things that that we didn’t even say.
 
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jmm08:
I’m sad. excatholic is presently suspended./QUOTE]

He’s only been here for a week!!! That’s a big acomplishment! :clapping:
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From what I have read of excatholic posts I’m not so sure he wan’t right on! I can’t see where ex told any lies, ex took the word at face value and did not see catholic dogma as valid. I have seen many posts like excatholic’s on various sites and no one is really able to refute their type because it appears to be right from the bible. All depends on what you believe I guess, at any rate I like the the idea of apologetics and freedom of speech. This appears to be a cesorship, were you affraid of what ex said?
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uniChristian:
From what I have read of excatholic posts I’m not so sure he wan’t right on! I can’t see where ex told any lies, ex took the word at face value and did not see catholic dogma as valid. I have seen many posts like excatholic’s on various sites and no one is really able to refute their type because it appears to be right from the bible. All depends on what you believe I guess, at any rate I like the the idea of apologetics and freedom of speech. This appears to be a cesorship, were you affraid of what ex said?
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What ex was saying was not straight. He ignored what everyone said and he ignored the quotes we gave him.
 
What causes anti-Catholics to attack? I agree with those who cited ignorance and/or arrogance and the idea of protecting their “turf.”

I would add that what I see is the kind of thing you see insecure people doing; cutting down someone else to build themselves up. Protestant churches often hold up Catholicism as an example of what not to do. We’re sort of singled out. But how many Catholics have heard priests railing against non-Catholic religions? It would appear that Protestants are on the offense and Catholic are on the defense.
 
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