What causes the rich to abuse the poor?

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SamH said:
I’ve seen it. The guy did “over do it” on portion size. But eating that much food with out the excerise to match is where the issue is. Ever read how many calories Michael Phelps takes in while training - 10,000 to 12,000 per day. My recommended daily calorie intake is 2200. Typical meal from McDonalds has from 900 to 1500 calories.

But I was looking at the cost of the meals vs making them at home. I’ve never encountered someone that actually thought it was cheaper to eat out.
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Sometimes it’s cheaper to eat out. Our local Subway has an offer every now and then where you buy one get one free. I did a cost comparison and it was actually cheaper to eat there than prepare it at home. And you can get the sandwiches with all kinds of different vegetable on them. They taste ok too.

Also, I think Lochias’ point about $3 meal at McD is a good point. That’s not too bad, although it probably is still cheaper to make it at home. But then the cost of using the stove and seasonings add to the cost. I figure it costs about 50 cents to cook a meal, on top of the food.
 
Jozefo said:
Grocery Outlet! groceryoutlet.com/default/bargainistablog/09-09-14/Feed_your_Family_on_3_a_Day.aspx

Apparently they’ve withdrawn the brochure, and that link is from 2009. But anyway, even if it’s $4 today, it’s still pretty cheap. I remember it broke down menu items into categories, so there were a few different choices. And all the choices were canned food and pasta.

But the good thing about it was the meals were balanced. Not the healthiest food, but not that bad either. I’m wishing I had kept the printed brochure, because it was really good.
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Rockin’. At one point, the three of us were trying to subsist on 500 bucks a month, for a year or two. I wish we’d had a Grocery Outlet in town then (and now).
 
Jozefo said:
Sometimes it’s cheaper to eat out. Our local Subway has an offer every now and then where you buy one get one free. I did a cost comparison and it was actually cheaper to eat there than prepare it at home. And you can get the sandwiches with all kinds of different vegetable on them. They taste ok too.

Also, I think Lochias’ point about $3 meal at McD is a good point. That’s not too bad, although it probably is still cheaper to make it at home. But then the cost of using the stove and seasonings add to the cost. I figure it costs about 50 cents to cook a meal, on top of the food.
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The local KFC has a meal deal on Wednesdays that we almost always get: Chicken fried steak, potatoes, coleslaw and a biscuit for $1.99. The line is always backed up to the street on Wednesdays.
 
Lochias said:
There’s noting to refute it, either. 🤷 For a family of three, three bucks a piece is what can buy something relatively varied and vegetable-y. I do not consider a dry ham sandwich and a glass of milk an adequate meal for an adult. 🤷
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Agreed you had nothing to support or refute.

Carry out the math. The drink was .33 vs 1.00 from McDonalds. The ham sandwich was .65 vs 1.00 from McDonalds, start applying that to the rest of the meal. Baked potato .20 vs fries $1.00, mac and cheese .15 vs 1.00 fries from McDonalds. Cup of yogurt .45 vs a cup of yogart 1.00 (or more) from McDs.

You have the sourse of information at your finger tips - use it.

I didn’t think it was that complicated.
 
SamH said:
We feed a family of 6 on about $35 a day. That’s with a very big menu with everything from steak to chicken to baked cookies and no real attempt to eat on the cheap - but preparing the meals at home and adapting the portion size there is very little waste. On Monday evenings my wife takes the kids through the drive through because of all the activities and she doesn’t have the time to cook. Her and the 4 children usually run about $25 for a single meal - that doesn’t include me. I get left overs when I get home.
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I’m the leftover king at my house lol. My wife is a great cook, and an even better budge-teer. Plus, she works at a very big retail store that starts with W, so we get a small discount on most things as part of her benefits. That’s pretty nice.

We feed four on about $20 a day, or thereabouts. Sometimes more, sometimes less. We don’t eat a lot of meat though, and my wife works at cutting costs.
 
Lochias said:
The local KFC has a meal deal on Wednesdays that we almost always get: Chicken fried steak, potatoes, coleslaw and a biscuit for $1.99. The line is always backed up to the street on Wednesdays.
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Can’t beat that! They offer that here sometimes too, and we get it.
 
SamH said:
Agreed you had nothing to support or refute.

Carry out the math. The drink was .33 vs 1.00 from McDonalds. The ham sandwich was .65 vs 1.00 from McDonalds, start applying that to the rest of the meal. Baked potato .20 vs fries $1.00, mac and cheese .15 vs 1.00 fries from McDonalds. Cup of yogurt .45 vs a cup of yogart 1.00 (or more) from McDs.

You have the sourse of information at your finger tips - use it.

I didn’t think it was that complicated.
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If you’re into plain, dry food, yeah, that’d be great. 🤷 Poor folk are only to eat ashes and sackcloth, to think about the horrible, horrible things they’ve done to the beneficent rich. Gotcha.

When you’re ready to talk about how stuff actually happens in the real world, we’ll talk again. Until then, I won’t waste my time trying to speak reasonably against rudeness and arrogance.
 
Lochias said:
If you’re into plain, dry food, yeah, that’d be great. 🤷 Poor folk are only to eat ashes and sackcloth, to think about the horrible, horrible things they’ve done to the beneficent rich. Gotcha.
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I never knew I was eating ashes and sack cloth to benefit the rich. Just wondering - how did eating that benefit the rich? I thought it was was benefitting me.
 
No argument refuting my post about the urban myth that 50% of families pay no tax.

I take it we’re all in agreement now?
 
SamH said:
Facts?

money.cnn.com/2012/04/26/pf/taxes/income-tax/index.htm
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thanks

First it’s dated April 26, 2012

and as the article I cited shows some of thiose tax relief provisions no longer exist. which this article points out
Then lawmakers approved temporary tax breaks after the 2008 financial crisis to stimulate the economy,
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Second it says the same as the article I cited:
owing no federal income tax
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which is NOT the same as not paying taxes.

How many working people pay payroll taxes?

Finally:
Most of those 18% of households that owe neither federal income nor payroll taxes are elderly or had income under $20,000, Williams said.
But even then, they still end up paying something in taxes. Once sales taxes as well as state and local income taxes are thrown into the mix, virtually no household in America would qualify for the non-payer group
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triumphguy said:
thanks

First it’s dated April 26, 2012

and as the article I cited shows some of thiose tax relief provisions no longer exist. which this article points out

Second it says the same as the article I cited:

which is NOT the same as not paying taxes.

How many working people pay payroll taxes?

Finally:
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So how does that work when you throw in the EIC?
 
Study: Welfare pays more than work in most states

From Mother Jones (I know…) 11 Charts… definitely worth looking at, esp the one labled “Dude, Where’s my job?,” showing US domestic job loss vs US multinational international job gains

But this is what I was after when I found the above:

The wage freeze
Increase in real value of the minimum wage since 1990: 21%

Increase in cost of living since 1990: 67%

One year’s earnings at the minimum wage: $15,080

Income required for a single worker to have real economic security: $30,000
 
Lochias said:
The local KFC has a meal deal on Wednesdays that we almost always get: Chicken fried steak, potatoes, coleslaw and a biscuit for $1.99. The line is always backed up to the street on Wednesdays.
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A CFS meal for only $1.99 that is amasing! But bein’ a Texan mahslef ah probly wouldn’t care for it, unfortunately.
 
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