What causes the rich to abuse the poor?

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St_Francis said:
Study: Welfare pays more than work in most states
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From the story:
Looking for a good paying job? Well, look no further.

No, really, stop looking. In 35 states, welfare benefits pay more than a minimum wage job, according to a new study by the libertarian Cato Institute, and in 13 states welfare pays more than $15 per hour.

“One of the single best ways to climb out of poverty is taking a job, but as long as welfare provides a better standard of living than an entry-level job, recipients will continue to choose it over work,” said Michael Tanner, senior policy analyst and co-author of the study.
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Read more: dailycaller.com/2013/08/20/study-welfare-pays-more-than-work-in-most-states/#ixzz2cbfq8JB4
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So much for this claim…
Lochias said:
No-one in their sane mind would wish to subsist entirely on government care. It’s a sub-standard, demeaning way of living.
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Lochias said:
Nobody who’s been in the nightmare that my family has would display the lack of empathy that you do. Nobody.
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Who ever said you family represents tens of million of people?

What makes you think “your nighmare” is worse than anyone else’s? Take a step back and appreciate what you have instead.
 
SamH said:
Who ever said you family represents tens of million of people?

What makes you think “your nighmare” is worse than anyone else’s? Take a step back and appreciate what you have instead.
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Ah, so as long as it’s just my family that suffers, everything’s fine. Gotcha. Also, if you think there aren’t lots of other families out there like mine, you’re dead wrong.

And…don’t tell me what to do. Ever. You are not somehow better than I am, you are not above me, and you are not an expert in poverty in any way, shape or form, as evidenced by your reaction to it.

Your reactions on this topic absolutely reek of bias towards keeping your money in your wallet, and that’s your right…but it makes your responses in this thread absolutely, unequivocally laughable in the eyes of those who have actually experienced what you’re constantly poo-pooing in this thread.

I repeat: Don’t tell me what to do. If you start to show any shred of empathy for your fellow men and women who are stuck in situations that they can’t get out of, I might start to respect your opinions on the matter; but you have to earn that respect. We’re worth it.
 
Woe to those who enact unjust statutes
and who write oppressive decrees,
Depriving the needy of judgment
and robbing my people’s poor of their rights,
Making widows their plunder,
and orphans their prey!
What will you do on the day of punishment,
when ruin comes from afar?
To whom will you flee for help?
Where will you leave your wealth,
Lest it sink beneath the captive
or fall beneath the slain?
For all this, his wrath is not turned back,
his hand is still outstretched!
 
SamH said:
From the story:

So much for this claim…
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Two points:
  1. Apparently this is how welfare (i.e., your tax money) subsidizes Walmart - Walmart deliberately sets workers hours and wages to pay the minimum possible and get enough workers for its needs, and in effect uses welfare to subsidize the wages it pays…
  2. Apparently the minimum wage is not enough to live on.
One of the four sins that cries out to heaven for vengeance is "Cheating Laborers of Their Due"

“You shall not oppress a hired servant who is poor and needy, whether he is one of your brethren or one of the sojourners who are in your land within your towns; you shall give him his hire on the day he earns it, before the sun goes down (for he is poor, and sets his heart upon it); lest he cry against you to the Lord, and it be a sin in you.” (Dt 24:14-15)

And their DUE is not whatever the market can get away with paying, but a JUST, LIVING wage.
 
Lochias said:
Ah, so as long as it’s just my family that suffers, everything’s fine. Gotcha. Also, if you think there aren’t lots of other families out there like mine, you’re dead wrong.
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I know there are lots of families like yours - and some have it worse like mine. So why do you think you are so special? 🤷
Lochias said:
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Your reactions on this topic absolutely reek of bias towards keeping your money in your wallet, and that’s your right…but it makes your responses in this thread absolutely, unequivocally laughable in the eyes of those who have actually experienced what you’re constantly poo-pooing in this thread.

I repeat: Don’t tell me what to do. If you start to show any shred of empathy for your fellow men and women who are stuck in situations that they can’t get out of, I might start to respect your opinions on the matter; but you have to earn that respect. We’re worth it.
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While your reactions on this topic absolutely reek of bias towards taking the money from someone else’s wallet. Don’t you feel guilty about that?
 
SamH said:
That’s how many people view welfare.
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Show me in the Bible.

And I’ll show you text after text talking about economic justice.

And if people could make a living wage maybe welfare programmes could be cut back significantly…

BTW what do you think about the sneaky way Walmart uses Welfare?
 
SamH said:
I know there are lots of families like yours - and some have it worse like mine. So why do you think you are so special? 🤷
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Why do you feel the need to demean my family and circumstances? Does that somehow make you feel better? Is that at all the Catholic way to do things?
While your reactions on this topic absolutely reek of bias towards taking the money from someone else’s wallet. Don’t you feel guilty about that?
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If Jesus didn’t feel guilty about it, I won’t.
 
triumphguy said:
Show me in the Bible.

And I’ll show you text after text talking about economic justice.

And if people could make a living wage maybe welfare programmes could be cut back significantly…

BTW what do you think about the sneaky way Walmart uses Welfare?
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Is it Wal-Mart or their employees?

Wouldn’t allowing the laborer to keep the fruits of his labors be economic justice? Instead the fruits of their labors are stolen from them under the threat of imprisonment and given to many who refuse to work? How is that economic justice?
 
Lochias said:
Why do you feel the need to demean my family and circumstances? Does that somehow make you feel better? Is that at all the Catholic way to do things?

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How did I “demean” your family? I simply pointed out you don’t have the market cornered on hard times - not even close. Although you do seem to be throwing a huge pity party that’s hard to beat.
 
SamH said:
Christ had Rome pay for his food and drink? Any chance you can cite that one in the Bible?
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What about the part where Christ told his followers to go out and accept the charity of others while they preached? What about Jesus telling others to sell all they had and give to the poor, and they’d find real treasure?

Any chance you can stop projecting your personal beliefs into the Bible to try and justify what is, at best, a blatantly non-Christian stance on poverty and the poor?
 
SamH said:
Is it Wal-Mart or their employees?

Wouldn’t allowing the laborer to keep the fruits of his labors be economic justice? Instead the fruits of their labors are stolen from them under the threat of imprisonment and given to many who refuse to work? How is that economic justice?
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It’s Walmart…

Walmart under-employs its workers in order to 1. Make sure they are not eligible for full-time benefits, 2. rely on welfare to make up what is lacking in their income

forbes.com/sites/lauraheller/2013/05/31/are-wal%E2%80%90marts-low-wages-a-drag-on-the-economy-new-report-says-yes/
Wal-Mart’s wages could be costing taxpayers $900,000 to $1.75 million per year, per store.
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“Wal-Mart’s The Low‐Wage Drag on Our Economy: Wal‐Mart’s low wages and their effect on taxpayers and economic growth” was prepared by the Democratic staff of the U.S. House Committee on Education and the Workforce and released today. The document claims to have calculated the cost to taxpayers in social services for workers paid the minimum wage.
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