What Civil Rights Afforded Married Couples Should Be Extended to "Alternate" Types of Couples Anyway?

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as a Catholic, should I inquire whether the property I’m selling to “John Doe and Jack Doe, as joint tenants” is actually a sale to a gay couple, lest I encourage gays?

if I’m selling life insurance, should I ask whether John’s beneficiary Jack indicates a gay relationship?

or should Catholic lawyers not, On Suspicion of Being Gay, draft wills where Jack bequeaths all to John?

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cwltexas said:
At a cost of right around $1800 as compared to $50 for a Civil Union license, hardly comparable in the least and 90% is way excessive, not even close, maybe 50% or less and NOT RECOGNIZED NATIONWIDE.
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it could be done for a fraction of that price, the paperwork is standard, regardless, the amount is trivial. if two people hold real property as joint tenants, I guarantee you that deed will be honored everywhere, likewise for insurance contracts naming beneficiaries, wills, bank accounts.

in fact, if people didn’t identify themselves as gay, commercial transactions by gays would go unnoticed, and no one would care. contract and title documents don’t read, “Mary and Beth, as Gay Lovers”.

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cwltexas said:
Specifically and please list the ways HOW they hurt society.
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The law is a teacher. Teach that multiple family unions exist and that is what you will get more of. The family, father mother children, is what keeps society together. Mimicking that for personal desires does not further the common good.
 
Fairwinds said:
it could be done for a fraction of that price, the paperwork is standard, regardless, the amount is trivial. if two people hold real property as joint tenants, I guarantee you that deed will be honored everywhere, likewise for insurance contracts naming beneficiaries, wills, bank accounts.

in fact, if people didn’t identify themselves as gay, commercial transactions by gays would go unnoticed, and no one would care. contract and title documents don’t read, “Mary and Beth, as Gay Lovers”.

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You will forgive me, if I take my actual life experience and others that I know over your opinions on how things will and should work, please.
 
fix said:
The law is a teacher. Teach that multiple family unions exist and that is what you will get more of. The family, father mother children, is what keeps society together. Mimicking that for personal desires does not further the common good.
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With a 50% current divorce rate, I question your assertion, earnestly.
 
cwltexas said:
You will forgive me, if I take my actual life experience and others that I know over your opinions on how things will and should work, please.
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I’ve never asked anyone I’ve sold property to if they’re gay or not because they take as joint tenants. the thought never occurred to me. why would I care? as you say, your experience is no doubt different.

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cwltexas said:
Full, same sex marriage proponents have and continue to maintain that Civil Unions are incomplete, no national recognition and do not convey the 1300+ rights of marriage that full marriage does.

You are very mistaken, SOME legal institution / framework is most definitely needed, that is mandated to be recognized nationwide, that provides and secures those benefits. We see in New Jersey that without such, not only governments but private companies WILL NOT make them available.
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:okpeople: Okay, okay, stop right there. This is exactly what I’m talking about. There is this assumption that these couples are legit.

My original premise, and I allowed it to be hijacked, and will attempt to bring it back to the original topic, if possible, is this:

It’s a sign that things have gone really down the slippery slope when some Catholic bishops, successors to the Apostles, are trying to compromise with these illegitimate couples for more than basic human rights for the individuals who choose to be part of them. This is like a bishop saying that abortion should be safe, legal, and rare. Puh-leeeez! Can’t anyone see the compromising, the watering down of our doctrine, the tendency toward enabling that is starting to take hold?! 🤷
 
3DOCTORS said:
:okpeople: Okay, okay, stop right there. This is exactly what I’m talking about. There is this assumption that these couples are legit.

My original premise, and I allowed it to be hijacked, and will attempt to bring it back to the original topic, if possible, is this:

It’s a sign that things have gone really down the slippery slope when some Catholic bishops, successors to the Apostles, are trying to compromise with these illegitimate couples for more than basic human rights for the individuals who choose to be part of them. This is like a bishop saying that abortion should be safe, legal, and rare. Puh-leeeez! Can’t anyone see the compromising, the watering down of our doctrine, the tendency toward enabling that is starting to take hold?! 🤷
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There is an assumption that ALL who would seek these Civil Unions are in fact COUPLES WHO MAINTAIN A SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP and that is far from the case.
 
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Yes, partly because I’m a single celibate person and nobody’s going out of their way to see that I get special treatment. But really! Just because you shack up, suddenly you have a set of “rights” that did not exist before?
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correct, many states give rights to cohabiting couples, treating them in some or many ways as if they were married. states differ in the details, you might not like it but that’s the law.

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cwltexas said:
There is an assumption that ALL who would seek these Civil Unions are in fact COUPLES WHO MAINTAIN A SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP and that is far from the case.
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It does not matter. The fact is it mimics marriage.
 
I’m just going to drop this for now. I was looking on some other threads and it is not even clear that the churchmen I had in mind were quoted accurately in the stories that have been circulating about them (I didn’t want to name names because of forum discussion rules, 'nuff said).

So perhaps I jumped the gun in what I was thinking about regarding the Church’s heirarchy’s approach.

The rest that’s been going on in secular society, well, you’re absolutely correct that I disapprove of it, but it’s hardly news. :nope: I think I will do some praying that things turn around one of these days, and for now leave it at that.

Unsubscribing from my own thread in 3, 2, 1 . . . :sad_bye:
 
fix said:
It does not matter. The fact is it mimics marriage.
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should we Catholics not sell property to gays because they might take title in joint tenancy which mimics property held “as husband and wife”.

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Fairwinds said:
should we Catholics not sell property to gays because they might take title in joint tenancy which mimics property held “as husband and wife”.

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How is that related to this thread? First, there is a moral difference between pretending to be married and selling property. Secondly, the answer to your question depends upon the circumstances.
 
fix said:
Secondly, the answer to your question depends upon the circumstances.
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and what are these circumstances? why on earth would you even ask buyers about their sexual orientation? that’s why I can’t figure out about this.
 
Fairwinds said:
and what are these circumstances? why on earth would you even ask buyers about their sexual orientation? that’s why I can’t figure out about this.
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It depends about cooperation with evil. Would you think it morally licit to sell property to Planned Parenthood to open an abortion mill?
 
fix said:
It depends about cooperation with evil. Would you think it morally licit to sell property to Planned Parenthood to open an abortion mill?
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no, I would not.

now what circumstances would you refuse to sell to two same sex buyers who want to hold as joint tenants?
 
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