What constitues a valid Baptism?

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I will be talking R.C.I.A. Classes in september. I heard there are diffrent thing Baptisd people go through than one who hasn’t. What is nessisary on the part of the person being baptisd, the Person performing the baptism and the state of the water? Thank you and God bless.
 
My.understanding.is:-If.an.unbaptised.baby/person.may.die.before.a.priest.can.get.there
a.relative.can.do.it.Ordinary.water.with.the.words,“i.baptise.thee,inthe.name.of.the.Father,Son&Holy.Spirit.”
 
  1. Pure water
  2. The intention to baptize
  3. Name, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.
The ordinary administer of baptism is a priest or deacon, but in an emergency situation anyone, even an unbaptized person may administer the sacrament.
 
In the event of an emergency ANYONE Baptize. In the event for example of a dying newborn, they can even be Baptized by a Doctor, Nurse or anyone else, if the intent to Baptized is there. My brother had an emergency Baptism in the delivery room by the Doctor. My Brother did live but my parents kept the name the Doctor baptized him with (Richard) the doc’s name. They were so grateful to him for everything. When he left the hospital 2 months later had a “Formal” Baptism.
 
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kaymart:
In the event of an emergency ANYONE Baptize. In the event for example of a dying newborn, they can even be Baptized by a Doctor, Nurse or anyone else, if the intent to Baptized is there. My brother had an emergency Baptism in the delivery room by the Doctor. My Brother did live but my parents kept the name the Doctor baptized him with (Richard) the doc’s name. They were so grateful to him for everything. When he left the hospital 2 months later had a “Formal” Baptism.
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A rebaptism? :eek: Please correct me if I’m wrong, but a rebaptism is a grave insult to the Holy Spirit.
 
Montie Claunch:
I will be talking R.C.I.A. Classes in september. I heard there are diffrent thing Baptisd people go through than one who hasn’t. What is nessisary on the part of the person being baptisd, the Person performing the baptism and the state of the water? Thank you and God bless.
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You’ll probably be in the same class with baptised people, but you’ll just get an extra sacrament at the Easter Vigil. You also won’t have to make a confession before the vigil since baptism washes away all sin.
 
Montie,

You must have been baptized with water (anything from sprinkling to full immersion), and the baptizer must do it “in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.” The exact wording isn’t too important, except that all 3 persons of the Trinity must be spoken.

Which church you were baptized in makes no difference, as long as the above two conditions were met.

I. too, will be entering RCIA soon, and I just found out I was baptized at 4 months! I found my baptismal certificate, while I was looking for something else. (My grandfather, the Congregational minister, baptized me.) My first confession will be a doozy, as I’m 53, and haven’t lived a good life until about 10 years ago!
 
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twiztedseraph:
A rebaptism? :eek: Please correct me if I’m wrong, but a rebaptism is a grave insult to the Holy Spirit.
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I was only 7 at the time. I was told Richie was Baptized by the Doctor in a quick desperate situation (he was in danger of dying) No record of the Baptism of course. So as far as I know he had to have a Baptism done in the Church for official records. I do not think Baptism by someone other then a Deacon or Priest is “legal” if there is time to validate the Baptism at a later time. If he didn’t think of the problems he would have had to make First Commuion, Confirmation and getting Married, without a record of his Baptism in the Catholic Church. I do not think in this case its an insult to the Holy Spirit.
 
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twiztedseraph:
A rebaptism? :eek: Please correct me if I’m wrong, but a rebaptism is a grave insult to the Holy Spirit.
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I was not there but often in the case of emergency baptisms, once the child recovers the child is taken to the church for the non-esssential rites of the sacrament like anointing the senses, and renewal of the baptismal promises ("Do you reject Satan?’).

Many confuse this with a second baptism but it is not. The child is anoited and prayed over but not baptized.
 
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twiztedseraph:
A rebaptism? :eek: Please correct me if I’m wrong, but a rebaptism is a grave insult to the Holy Spirit.
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there is no re-baptism in the case of a newborn baptized in an emergency, rather the hospital chaplain or other person with authority over the place where the baptism was done arranges to have the baptism registered in the appropriate parish, with required information about parents, circumstances etc., and when the infant is able, “completes the rite” in the parish church, the anointing and other prayers. this is also noted in the baptismal register alongside the original record. In no way is it a re-baptism.
 
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kaymart:
I was only 7 at the time. I was told Richie was Baptized by the Doctor in a quick desperate situation (he was in danger of dying) No record of the Baptism of course. So as far as I know he had to have a Baptism done in the Church for official records. I do not think Baptism by someone other then a Deacon or Priest is “legal” if there is time to validate the Baptism at a later time. If he didn’t think of the problems he would have had to make First Commuion, Confirmation and getting Married, without a record of his Baptism in the Catholic Church. I do not think in this case its an insult to the Holy Spirit.
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the parents should have reported the emergency baptism and its circumstances to their parish priest at the time. The parents, doctor who baptized, any reliable witnesses to the original baptism may testify to it by affidavit and this testimony will be accepted as proof of baptism. the sooner this is done the better. If a priest or deacon did indeed perform a second ceremony, it would have been a “conditional baptism” using the words "If this person has not already been baptized, I baptize . . . . " and the rest of the rite. Again, this is not a re-baptism which is strictly forbidden in canon law.
 
Montie Claunch:
I will be talking R.C.I.A. Classes in september. I heard there are diffrent thing Baptisd people go through than one who hasn’t. What is nessisary on the part of the person being baptisd, the Person performing the baptism and the state of the water? Thank you and God bless.
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during the RCIA process various rites are celebrated at various times. The rites are different for the baptized (candidates) and for the unbaptized (catechumens). Early in the process, the Rite of Acceptance into the Order of Catechumens is celebrated for the unbaptized, and a companion Rite of Welcoming for the Baptized, the disctinction between the two must always be recognized and made clear to the candidates themselves and the congregation who witnesses these rites.

The Rite of Election at the beginning of Lent is for the catechumens, who are now the Elect, and are presented to the Bishop at this time and enrolled by name in the book of the elect. There are also exorcisms and scrutinies, minor rites celebrated during lent for the elect. These are not appropriate for the baptized, who have already undergone initial conversion. There is an optional Rite that may be celebrated for the candidates at the same time.

During the Easter vigil, the elect are baptized first, while they are getting dressed (if immersion was done) the candidates make their formal profession of faith, then all are confirmed. The Mass continues and all receive first communion. All this will be explained to you at the proper time, you don’t need to know it all at once, you just need to know that Lent prior to your initiation into the Church will be a very intensive time of prayer and preparation, and you should not schedule any conflicts - travel, parties etc. – during that time.

with regard to those who have already been baptized in another Christian denomination, the diocese has already investigated the practices of most denominations, and can tell the pastor or RCIA director if yours was a valid baptism. Just be sure to give all the facts of your baptism to your pastor or RCIA director early in the process, along with a letter or certificate from the church or pastor who baptized you.
 
But, just to clairify the condition of the person performing the baptism, What role does that play in the whole thing? After I was baptised I got to know the Pastor (whom is some freaky form on Non-demon) and I discovered that he was anti-catholic and rejected a large sum of the things we beleive in. Does his theological health play a factor in this? :confused:
 
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twiztedseraph:
A rebaptism? :eek: Please correct me if I’m wrong, but a rebaptism is a grave insult to the Holy Spirit.
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They do all the “trappings” of a solemn baptism, except for the actual baptising.

My niece was baptising Christian Reform. Three years later, when her brother was born, they decided it would be better if the children were Catholic. So, when Kyle was baptised, Alyssa was “converted” (my 5 year old called it “holytized”–and she expected to be “holytized” at her brother’s baptism) basically, they did the same rituals for her as for her brother, except the part with the water.
 
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twiztedseraph:
A rebaptism? :eek: Please correct me if I’m wrong, but a rebaptism is a grave insult to the Holy Spirit.
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The second one is just a conditional baptism. Its fairly common.
 
Montie Claunch:
But, just to clairify the condition of the person performing the baptism, What role does that play in the whole thing? After I was baptised I got to know the Pastor (whom is some freaky form on Non-demon) and I discovered that he was anti-catholic and rejected a large sum of the things we beleive in. Does his theological health play a factor in this? :confused:
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No, sacraments ocure ex opere operato which means that the holyness of the minister is not a factor. Even an anthiest can baptize as long as he has the intention to do what the Church does in baptism.
 
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