What criminal charges, if any, can a man file against a woman who tries to force herself on him, etc?

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I’m not sure if this is the right forum for this, but here goes. Does anyone know what criminal charges, if any, that a man could file on a woman who makes sexual advances toward him on a date, is asked to stop, but continues to touch the man in an inappropriate way, etc, if there is no intercourse? Thanks.
 
perhaps assault (sexual).

Contact a lawyer or visit the police department to find out which charges apply in your jurisdiction.
 
Contact the police department ASAP.

Remember (I’m a man as well) that sexual assualt against men DOES happen and is a tragic crime.
 
Jilly and Rascalking have it right. Sexual assault. Good luck proving it, tho.

DaveBj
 
You will have a hard time proving it without witnesses ,as many a female knows who has had to put up with employers ,relatives ,"friends " who all thought they had the right to a sexual favour or two .Do as the women do ,stay away from the offender and only be in their company when in public places ,preferably daytime.
 
Is it really necessary to give her a criminal record? Can’t you just get up and walk away?
Unless, of course, she overpowered you…!?
 
Possibly harassment, the same type of charge that could be brought on anyone’s behavior where the perpetrator has been requested to stop and does not, and the behavior is of the type that “annoys, disturbs, and alarms.” Assault is usually reserved for cases where serious body injury occurs. Inappropriate touching would probably fall in the same category as other disturbing things, such as a neighbor ogling you every time you leave the house, and other nuisance behaviors. There may be civil statutes as well.

And if this behavior occurs in the workplace, it is sexual harassment, subject to fines and personnel action, and the employer can be brought up on charges if the employer is aware of the behavior and does nothing to stop it.

As someone else pointed out, it could be difficult to prove, and you might not be taken very seriously by the authorities, sad to say. It probably would be most practical to get up and walk away, and I think it would serve Miss Vamp right if you stuck her with the dinner bill as well! That ought to call a screeching halt to this kind of thing!
 
Is it really necessary to give her a criminal record? Can’t you just get up and walk away?
Unless, of course, she overpowered you…!?
Sure don’t do anything you say. Let her continue to do this to someone else, and then someone else and someone else and so on until she does possibly rapes a man or something happens to her if she does it to the wrong person, it can happen and it has happened. Its like saying, this man touched a woman in a way she didn’t want to be touched and he was asked to stop and he continued to tough her and she did nothing about it then next thing you hear is that this same man raped a woman because he got away with just touching. Or what about someone who smokes pot should that person get a criminal record for just smoking it? Or what about the girl who blew bubbles in a cops face, should she have gotten a criminal record for that? Where do you draw the line?

Think of the thousands of women who are told to just get up and walk away. Does it make his unwanted advances less of a crime because she just go up and walked away? What about preventing something that could go further then just touching? You hear all the time, if they would have just did something about it when it first happened, maybe it wouldn’t have gotten this far. Just because it happened to a man don’t make the crime any less of a crime.

Your last statement is not worth commenting on.
 
Sure don’t do anything you say. Let her continue to do this to someone else, and then someone else and someone else and so on until she does possibly rapes a man or something happens to her if she does it to the wrong person, it can happen and it has happened. Its like saying, this man touched a woman in a way she didn’t want to be touched and he was asked to stop and he continued to tough her and she did nothing about it then next thing you hear is that this same man raped a woman because he got away with just touching. Or what about someone who smokes pot should that person get a criminal record for just smoking it? Or what about the girl who blew bubbles in a cops face, should she have gotten a criminal record for that? Where do you draw the line?

Think of the thousands of women who are told to just get up and walk away. Does it make his unwanted advances less of a crime because she just go up and walked away? What about preventing something that could go further then just touching? You hear all the time, if they would have just did something about it when it first happened, maybe it wouldn’t have gotten this far. Just because it happened to a man don’t make the crime any less of a crime.

Your last statement is not worth commenting on.
Your response is little more than an illogical rant. The OP was asking about the behaviour of one, single, particular woman. You, in your self righteous haste, extrapolated your answer to include pot smokers, bubble blowers and then men in general. Not only is your logic wayward, but your response indicates you see yourself as someone who must save the male of the species from one particular rapacious female! That, my friend, reaks of self righteous arrogance. The assumption you make, that this particular female would repeat her behaviour with all men she dates, is insulting. In that position, a man should be man enough to walk away. Your assumption would give this girl a criminal record. You wouldn’t care, though, would you, because your false moral indignation is assuaged by the thought that you are saving someone else. By the way, if the man is so helpless that he is in danger of being raped, then he shouldn’t be dating in the first place! :rolleyes:
 
Not knowing the details of what may or may not have happened, I’d simply contact the police department if I was a man (which I’m not) who felt that their rights were somehow violated. I am certainly no lawyer and I’m certainly no moral theologian either so I refuse to pass judgment on any man who may ever be, ever has, or ever will be in this situation.

I do know that every single person on this earth as inherent worth and dignity as people. Therefore, even if the police can’t do proper justice to any such situation, God will during the particular judgment and during the final judgment as well.

Finally, I will say that I knew a man once who claimed to have been physically abused by his wife. I do not wish to pass any sort of judgment on the wife but I will say that abuse of any sort is immoral.

God bless,
Holly
 
People, remember it’s totally against forum policy for members to offer legal or medical or similar professional advice on these forums. That includes advice or comment about the prospects of success in a legal action, which is something several posters have commented on.

And it is foolish in the extreme for anyone being offered legal or other professional advice on these forums to rely on it in any way. As a lawyer I know there are all sorts of factors that need to be considered in answering the questions TBolt has posed, things that can’t possibly be adequately canvassed over the internet.

TBolt, contact your nearest police station ASAP, and consult a criminal lawyer as well. Some lawyers will give at least the first consultation for free, if money is an issue.
 
People, remember it’s totally against forum policy for members to offer legal or medical or similar professional advice on these forums. That includes advice or comment about the prospects of success in a legal action, which is something several posters have commented on.

And it is foolish in the extreme for anyone being offered legal or other professional advice on these forums to rely on it in any way. As a lawyer I know there are all sorts of factors that need to be considered in answering the questions TBolt has posed, things that can’t possibly be adequately canvassed over the internet.

TBolt, contact your nearest police station ASAP, and consult a criminal lawyer as well. Some lawyers will give at least the first consultation for free, if money is an issue.
I agree. I think it would be best to contact a police station in the event that someone feels their legal rights have been violated.
 
People, remember it’s totally against forum policy for members to offer legal or medical or similar professional advice on these forums. That includes advice or comment about the prospects of success in a legal action, which is something several posters have commented on.

And it is foolish in the extreme for anyone being offered legal or other professional advice on these forums to rely on it in any way. As a lawyer I know there are all sorts of factors that need to be considered in answering the questions TBolt has posed, things that can’t possibly be adequately canvassed over the internet.

TBolt, contact your nearest police station ASAP, and consult a criminal lawyer as well. Some lawyers will give at least the first consultation for free, if money is an issue.
It is foolish in the extreme to even be thinking of legal action with the scant information given bgy the OP. This rush to seek legal advice, or advice to go to the Police reeks of an agenda to drive a wedge between the sexes. In the field of human relations, this is a disgrace.

Let me use the same broad brush used by the Op. Boy takes girl out on date. Girl makes pass at boy. Boy says “no”, girl makes another pass. Now said boy goes running home to his friendly lawyer crying “offence”, “offence”.

Gimme a break.

Most men would be flattered by the attention. It is not normal to rush off to a lawyer, or cop, because one made a pass at the other. Remember, they were out on a consensual date. I’d consider it pretty safe to assume that they both liked each other and that is why they were out on a date? Agreed? Suddenly, the urges of one have caused offence to the other to such an extent that the other, in this case the male, is considering legal and or criminal action. Don’t you find this a bit weird, to say the least? The man should be man enough to say “no” and mean “no”. If the girl persists with behaviour he finds offensive, then he should be man enough to simply get up and use his two legs to walk away. If we extrapolate this scenario and the resultant advice on this thread, anyone contmplating a date should go see their lawyer first and have a document drawn up stating that no ‘passes’ will be tolerated and any attempts to do so will be prosecuted in a court of law. Of course we would need a sunset clause on said document, just in case real attraction came along and maybe even marriage was being considered. The document could be called ‘The Chaste Document’, filled with check boxes so couples know exactly where they stand and what they can and can’t do.

Sheeeeesh.
 
It is foolish in the extreme to even be thinking of legal action with the scant information given bgy the OP. This rush to seek legal advice, or advice to go to the Police reeks of an agenda to drive a wedge between the sexes. In the field of human relations, this is a disgrace.

Let me use the same broad brush used by the Op. Boy takes girl out on date. Girl makes pass at boy. Boy says “no”, girl makes another pass. Now said boy goes running home to his friendly lawyer crying “offence”, “offence”.

Gimme a break.

Most men would be flattered by the attention. It is not normal to rush off to a lawyer, or cop, because one made a pass at the other. Remember, they were out on a consensual date. I’d consider it pretty safe to assume that they both liked each other and that is why they were out on a date? Agreed? Suddenly, the urges of one have caused offence to the other to such an extent that the other, in this case the male, is considering legal and or criminal action. Don’t you find this a bit weird, to say the least? The man should be man enough to say “no” and mean “no”. If the girl persists with behaviour he finds offensive, then he should be man enough to simply get up and use his two legs to walk away. If we extrapolate this scenario and the resultant advice on this thread, anyone contmplating a date should go see their lawyer first and have a document drawn up stating that no ‘passes’ will be tolerated and any attempts to do so will be prosecuted in a court of law. Of course we would need a sunset clause on said document, just in case real attraction came along and maybe even marriage was being considered. The document could be called ‘The Chaste Document’, filled with check boxes so couples know exactly where they stand and what they can and can’t do.

Sheeeeesh.
She made a pass. He then told her to stop. Was he not entitled to do so? In your opinion is it not sufficient that he told her to stop? Does ‘no’ somehow not mean ‘no’ the first time it’s said, but something different, like ‘please feel free to ignore what I’m saying and continue’?

She then apparently ignored his telling her to stop, and on the contrary continued making unwelcome passes. Do you think she was entitled to continue having been told to stop?

At what point, in your opinion, did he have the right to be taken seriously? Only after telling her three times? Only after pouring a drink over her head as well? Or slapping her for good measure?

And please be sure to tell all your family and friends - not to mention your bosses and subordinates at work - the answer as well, so that they know they are completely free to utterly ignore you the first time or two you tell THEM something, and that they will likewise be ignored the first couplea times they tell YOU something.

I’m sure everyone will totally agree with this ‘things that are only said once don’t count’ theory of yours.
 
She made a pass. He then told her to stop. Was he not entitled to do so? In your opinion is it not sufficient that he told her to stop? Does ‘no’ somehow not mean ‘no’ the first time it’s said, but something different, like ‘please feel free to ignore what I’m saying and continue’?

She then apparently ignored his telling her to stop, and on the contrary continued making unwelcome passes. Do you think she was entitled to continue having been told to stop?

At what point, in your opinion, did he have the right to be taken seriously? Only after telling her three times? Only after pouring a drink over her head as well? Or slapping her for good measure?

And please be sure to tell all your family and friends - not to mention your bosses and subordinates at work - the answer as well, so that they know they are completely free to utterly ignore you the first time or two you tell THEM something, and that they will likewise be ignored the first couplea times they tell YOU something.

I’m sure everyone will totally agree with this ‘things that are only said once don’t count’ theory of yours.
I’m sure you are pretty good at constructing meanings from the written and spoken word, but gee, you are really stretching credibility, not to mention credulity, when you somehow construct a theory of ‘things that are only said once don’t count’ theory of yours" from what I wrote. Didn’t you read the bit where I wrote *“The man should be man enough to say “no” and mean “no”. If the girl persists with behaviour he finds offensive, then he should be man enough to simply get up and use his two legs to walk away.”?
What, you missed that bit? *You must have, because you are too intelligent to have deliberately drawn such a long bow.

Your alternative, however, which is running to a lawyer, or to a policeman, is not manly. It is rank cowardice. It’s only one step up, I suppose, from running to mummy.
 
‘Just get up and walk away’ isn’t always sensible advice, as Joseph in the OT found to his cost when Potiphar’s wife was after him. Harrassers don’t always LET you ‘just get up and walk away’.

Oh and by all means don’t go to a policeman or lawyer, who have some sort of expertise and training in dealing with problems such as harrassment, for help. Of course being ‘manly’ is more important than getting help for your problems from people who are more knowledgeable than you about them.

I suppose going to a doctor when you’re ill or hiring a plumber when you need your plumbing fixed isn’t ‘manly’ either. It may well also be terribly (even stereotypically) masculine to die through neglect of your health and to get in over your head with problems (be they plumbing or harrassment) that you haven’t got the first clue about, because you’re too ‘manly’ to ask for the help you need.

Not very wise, though.
 
‘Just get up and walk away’ isn’t always sensible advice, as Joseph in the OT found to his cost when Potiphar’s wife was after him. Harrassers don’t always LET you ‘just get up and walk away’.

Oh and by all means don’t go to a policeman or lawyer, who have some sort of expertise and training in dealing with problems such as harrassment, for help. Of course being ‘manly’ is more important than getting help for your problems from people who are more knowledgeable than you about them.

I suppose going to a doctor when you’re ill or hiring a plumber when you need your plumbing fixed isn’t ‘manly’ either. It may well also be terribly (even stereotypically) masculine to die through neglect of your health and to get in over your head with problems (be they plumbing or harrassment) that you haven’t got the first clue about, because you’re too ‘manly’ to ask for the help you need.

Not very wise, though.
LilyM, calm down please. You are getting away from the problems of a difficult date to plumbing and even men’s health! If you keep this up, I’ll have to take a lawyer with me on my next date!! Must be property expert. Keep your hands off my property?!! 😃

As I indicated in my last response, the OP used a very broad brush when he painted the date scenario. For all we know, the girl might have had such a jolly good time she drank too much and did so under the watchful eye of her date. So, is it not possible she was not being her true self and it is partly his fault? Yet the conclusions jumped to here very quickly is the “man” should call a cop, or consult his lawyer. That, I contend, is neither manly or fair. Unless he is physically over-powered, he can walk away and leave her to her own devices. If she persistently stalks him afterwards, then that’s another matter, however that possibility was not written into the original post and we shouldn’t re-write that original post of our own accord, or else we arw writing the scenario to suit our answers. Let’s, for the sake of the argument, say she was stone cold sober. All she was then was maybe a persistent nymphomaniac, or simply completely and utterly overwhelmed by the physical presence of her most handsome date. Woohoo, call a cop!! Consult a lawyer!! What?! Lawyers are now experts on dating etiquette? Honestly, the scenario makes me curl up and almost die laughing.
Why don’t you, in light of the “advice” you have given me re consulting an “expert”, place an add in a men’s magazine and offer advice to men on how to handle/sue/have arrested women who make passes at them? See how much clientelle you get. None, I’d reckon. 😃
 
Your response is little more than an illogical rant. The OP was asking about the behaviour of one, single, particular woman. You, in your self righteous haste, extrapolated your answer to include pot smokers, bubble blowers and then men in general. Not only is your logic wayward, but your response indicates you see yourself as someone who must save the male of the species from one particular rapacious female! That, my friend, reaks of self righteous arrogance. The assumption you make, that this particular female would repeat her behaviour with all men she dates, is insulting. In that position, a man should be man enough to walk away. Your assumption would give this girl a criminal record. You wouldn’t care, though, would you, because your false moral indignation is assuaged by the thought that you are saving someone else. By the way, if the man is so helpless that he is in danger of being raped, then he shouldn’t be dating in the first place! :rolleyes:
Do you know what a example is? Can you not see that is what I was doing when I used the pot smoker and bubble blower? Then you say that I must save the male species for one rapacious female, this statement is ludicrist thinking on your part. You miss the points of what I and others are saying to you because you seem to be stuck in the 80’s with this “mocho man” thing. You say that I’m making assumption about this female which you’re correct but what if my assumption is correct about her and nothing was done and she went futher then just touching? Now seem to not like people making assumptions about this by you are doing the same thing by assuming that she will get a criminal record because of this, but chances are she would only be talked to by the police and nothing more. Now I’m going to give another example here, its only a example. Its a example of people not saying something when they see or have a strange feeling about someone. What happened in Tuson. People knew something was wrong with that young man and assumed something like what happened would happen. Now nobody said anything and look what happened or they did say something and nobody took it seriously. You just can’t say “be a man and just walk away” and then make lite of the situation by saying “unless of course she overpowered you.” That is something only someone with no heart would say. You seem to be condoning the actions of this female and making lite of the man. I don’t know where your priorities are?
 
Do you know what a example is? Can you not see that is what I was doing when I used the pot smoker and bubble blower? Then you say that I must save the male species for one rapacious female, this statement is ludicrist thinking on your part. You miss the points of what I and others are saying to you because you seem to be stuck in the 80’s with this “mocho man” thing. You say that I’m making assumption about this female which you’re correct but what if my assumption is correct about her and nothing was done and she went futher then just touching? Now seem to not like people making assumptions about this by you are doing the same thing by assuming that she will get a criminal record because of this, but chances are she would only be talked to by the police and nothing more. Now I’m going to give another example here, its only a example. Its a example of people not saying something when they see or have a strange feeling about someone. What happened in Tuson. People knew something was wrong with that young man and assumed something like what happened would happen. Now nobody said anything and look what happened or they did say something and nobody took it seriously. You just can’t say “be a man and just walk away” and then make lite of the situation by saying “unless of course she overpowered you.” That is something only someone with no heart would say. You seem to be condoning the actions of this female and making lite of the man. I don’t know where your priorities are?
And I don’t know where your thinking is at! I’m not sure you do either.

Pray, tell, what on earth has the Tuscon shooting got to do with a woman making a pass or three to her date? I’ll tell you - nothing. Absolutely nothing at all. And if a woman makes a pass or three at her date, unless she gets violent, there is absolutely no need to get either the police, or a lawyer involved. If it is the case that I’m stuck in the '80’s with this ‘macho man thing’, it is a far better place to be than in 2011 where you apparently need a lawyer to hold your hand after a date goes wrong. Like I said, If the man is not “man enough” to handle it himself and walk away, if need be, then he is not mature enough to be dating.

By the way, the word you needed in your third sentence was ‘ludicrous’, not ‘ludicrist’.

Cheers.
 
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